Combined Kurt Tippett contract negotiation/trade possibility thread

[Mark Dreher]

That was 2 weeks ago though Jenny and they are hardly going to tell you he is going.

Nah mate Rory said that yesterday on the SEN morning program that he would stay as well.

 

[Heafy83]

Do not want Gorringe. He is purely a ruck....... not a ruck forward. He is a lumbering Dinosaur similar to Jacobs who does not have anywhere near the agility of Tippett.

If we get Gorringe we then have two No. 1 Ruckmen in our squad. This presents a problem in a few ways:
a.) Balance- there is no way we could play Jacobs and Gorringe in the same side. It would be like trying to play Goldstein/McIntosh or Sandilands/Griffin. It just doesn't work.
b.) Salary- Eventually he will want too much $$$ to stay. He is going to be a gun ruckman but we already have one of them. Whats the point of paying big money to a guy to play in the magoos.
c.) Depth- We already have Jenkins and McKernan. Both are capable of playing the Tippett role, but not as well. Do we really need this though. As long as they are decent in the ruck, McKernan already is, and provide a contest and probably do 2/3rds of what Tippett does, which I think is very possible, we can then get something for another position we are deficient in.
d.) Priorities- We need another backman or outside midfielder more. Like I said we have Jenkins and McKernan already. Give smack some aggression and he will be brilliant. I am very confident Sando can do this. Also Jenkins has proven he will be more than handy.

 

[Cap]

I don't remember Gorringe as a lumbering Giant at all?

secondly, he is from SA

Thirdly, if he is better than those two, he plays - are you suggesting we wouldn't take a better midfielder simply because we have lots of mids?

Fourthly - you are right, but if we are going into the trade week with Tippet wanting to leave, those players might not be on the table...so you take the best possible outcome not just go with a defender because we need a defender.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Look I've never lived there but visited quite a few times, but it's more than just the drive. By all reports he loves the Coast, big difference to waking up for a swim and driving for an hour for one. They spend most days at the club, I know I'd prefer not to have to make that drive every day if you had a choice not to.

Not much difference to a young Crows living in North Adelaide who gets aligned to South Adelaide ( think Mckernan)...

I drive 50 minutes to work each day. I dont get paid 700k plus either.

Kurt can get knicked, buy himself a nice car he enjoys spending a few hours a day in
Wouldn't surprise me if Daddy picks him up. Give them more time to spend together

 

[Heafy83]

I don't remember Gorringe as a lumbering Giant at all?

secondly, he is from SA

Thirdly, if he is better than those two, he plays - are you suggesting we wouldn't take a better midfielder simply because we have lots of mids?

Fourthly - you are right, but if we are going into the trade week with Tippet wanting to leave, those players might not be on the table...so you take the best possible outcome not just go with a defender because we need a defender.

He is no where near as agile as a Jenkins, McKernan or Tippett. he may be more slightly agile than Jacobs but he is a ruckman 1st and a forward second. Tippett is the opposite.

Secondly I don't care where he's from doesn't mean we have to take him.

Thirdly he will not be better than a Jenkins or McKernan in that role. Only player he would replace is Jacobs and I don't see that happening. And yes the club is at the point where it needs to recruit for key roles not stack up in one position simply for the sake of it. Great midfielders come along a hell of a lot more than KP players.

Fourthly I can see what you mean about taking the best possible. If we have to take Gorringe then by all means take Gorringe, but I don't think he should be our first priority. I would rather take a high draft pick and a fringe player we can develop for Tippett than Gorringe and a 2nd round pick.

 

[Cap]

I'm not in a position to judge if he is more agile than Jenkins or McKernan - nor can I say if he will be better than themin the long term - however pick 10 in a national draft gives me some comfort that he was viewed in good light by the powers that be (but obviously that is not an indicator of future performance)

My point regarding SA is that we won't have to pay extra to keep him - there is no go home factor.

I agree with your final sentence - I just pointed out that Gorringe might be that fringe player

 

[Heafy83]

I'm not in a position to judge if he is more agile than Jenkins or McKernan - nor can I say if he will be better than themin the long term - however pick 10 in a national draft gives me some comfort that he was viewed in good light by the powers that be (but obviously that is not an indicator of future performance)

My point regarding SA is that we won't have to pay extra to keep him - there is no go home factor.

I agree with your final sentence - I just pointed out that Gorringe might be that fringe player

Lets get greedy and ask for both Day and Gorringe. Surely one of them turns out to be a superstar

 

[Cap]

Lets get greedy and ask for both Day and Gorringe. Surely one of them turns out to be a superstar

 

[beartoo]

If this is true then Gorringe might be traded to a third club to fill a need on our list. As others have said, can't see why we would want him. As far as Tippett is concerned, I think we have the cattle to cover his leaving.

 

[Mego Red]

Okay - here's one of those incredibly likely four team trades that happen all the time.

GCS: Give up Caddy and Gorringe. Get Tippett and 31.
Ess: Give up Jake Carlisle and 31. Get Caddy.
Adel: Give up Tippett and pick 20. Get Carlisle and pick 7.
PAP: Give up pick 7. Get Gorringe and pick 20.

Maybe too much given up by Ess and us, and too much received by GCS and PAP. Thoughts?

 

[Cap]

I don't reckon we would entertain a trade which would benefit Port more than us.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

What I have said all along is that you have no proof of a secret contract.
I will gladly bet a bottle of wine over that.
If you post a scan of a GC/Tippett contract backdated >1 year then you can have your wine.
If not, then you owe me as that is all I have ever claimed - there is no secret contract.
A desire to be traded does not mean they signed a contract a year ago.

Has anyone outside the very inner sanctum at GWS seen the Tom Scully contract? Is there a single person at the Melbourne Football Club (or anyone within the AFL) that believes Tom Scully signed at the end of 2011? At least they finally had a smoking gun when the letter of offer to Phil Scully ($680,000 over six years) dated 10 November 2010 became public.

The first post by RocknRoll in this thread was, and I quote, "We should do a straight swap with Rockliff".

When I initially stated that Kurt has signed with Gold Coast and we would received below par compensation due to the Reid "agreement" the consensus was that Kurt would probably be staying. If he left he would go to Brisbane and many thought Redden seemed a fair compensation although RocknRoll thought Rockliff was acceptable.

Now if Kurt goes to the Gold Coast according to RocknRoll it would not be unusual that our highest paid player should be traded for the Gold Coast's fifth best tall who has played one game this year.

If you insist on having a crack at me whenever you post then you can expect a bit of pushback or ......

 

[Crows4Flag]

Could not disagree more with Heafy83 to be honest. At times this season we have desperately needed a second ruck to relieve Jacobs. I think a ruck-forward instead of a forward-ruck would benefit our team structure even more. Cox and Naitanui are lethal at it. Jenkins is terrible at rucking and Mckernan is just terrible. Gorringe is not even close to being a lumbering dinosaur, no one is as athletic as Tippet apart from maybe nic nat but in terms of rucks he would definitely be above average. Remember his speccy?

 

[Iva Bigun]

Okay - here's one of those incredibly likely four team trades that happen all the time.

GCS: Give up Caddy and Gorringe. Get Tippett and 31.
Ess: Give up Jake Carlisle and 31. Get Caddy.
Adel: Give up Tippett and pick 20. Get Carlisle and pick 7.
PAP: Give up pick 7. Get Gorringe and pick 20.

Maybe too much given up by Ess and us, and too much received by GCS and PAP. Thoughts?[/quote]

Surely you jest, we give up 2 top 10 picks from the 2010 draft for Tippett and a pick we wont use and you think we are getting "too much"

I am glad the powers that be at both clubs have been more realistic, in agreeing to trade Tippett for Gorrringe and Flanigan

 

[BigLefty]

So did I! It's probably 50 min drive from the gabba to metricon, as long as your not going through peak hour times.

i'd find a 50 minute drive, each way, every day pretty darn annoying though! and it has actually been a deal breaker for me on a job before.

we have a good life here in Adelaide though!

 

[Heafy83]

Could not disagree more with Heafy83 to be honest. At times this season we have desperately needed a second ruck to relieve Jacobs. I think a ruck-forward instead of a forward-ruck would benefit our team structure even more. Cox and Naitanui are lethal at it. Jenkins is terrible at rucking and Mckernan is just terrible. Gorringe is not even close to being a lumbering dinosaur, no one is as athletic as Tippet apart from maybe nic nat but in terms of rucks he would definitely be above average. Remember his speccy?

Cox is a once in a 20 year ruckman....... he is that good. And Nic Nat is an athletic freak so those two example are basically null and void. I can't think of a team who regularly plays with two genuine number 1 rucks, successfully.

The price of the FWD/RUCK commodity has sky rocketed immensely.

I would like to know when we have needed a second ruck to relieve Jacobs when Tippett has been playing? Specific examples please.

Jenkins has played a handful of AFL games. He will only get better. His rucking in the middle of the ground is good but stuff around the ground is terrible. McKernan is also very raw. Like I said earlier if you instill some aggression in the kid and he will be a monster. His rucking in the middle of the ground is already better than Tippetts. Its around the ground where Tippett excels.

Gorringe is no more athletic than a goldstein, McIntosh etc type of ruckman. This puts them in the lumbering dinosaur category for mine or Ruck/FWD. He would even be behind a Kruzuer when it comes to mobility.

My main point is Gorringe will not be good enough to play as a FWD 80-90% of the time. He will not give us any more than a McKernan or Jenkins in that mould. If we didn't have Jacobs I'd say go for it, but at this stage if you wanted a more agile FWD/RUCK I'd be going for Day over Gorringe.

 

[crowman_23]

Not sure why there haven't been more other clubs linked to this. Everyone brings in Essendon, because of Caddy, but there would be plenty of clubs that need a young, number 1 ruckman, and would give up quite a bit for one. If a player like Gorringe is thrown up, but not too our liking, the trade period has been extended so much there's nothing stopping a big multi-team trade happening.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Cox is a once in a 20 year ruckman....... he is that good. And Nic Nat is an athletic freak so those two example are basically null and void. I can't think of a team who regularly plays with two genuine number 1 rucks, successfully.

The price of the FWD/RUCK commodity has sky rocketed immensely.

I would like to know when we have needed a second ruck to relieve Jacobs when Tippett has been playing? Specific examples please.

Jenkins has played a handful of AFL games. He will only get better. His rucking in the middle of the ground is good but stuff around the ground is terrible. McKernan is also very raw. Like I said earlier if you instill some aggression in the kid and he will be a monster. His rucking in the middle of the ground is already better than Tippetts. Its around the ground where Tippett excels.

Gorringe is no more athletic than a goldstein, McIntosh etc type of ruckman. This puts them in the lumbering dinosaur category for mine or Ruck/FWD. He would even be behind a Kruzuer when it comes to mobility.

My main point is Gorringe will not be good enough to play as a FWD 80-90% of the time. He will not give us any more than a McKernan or Jenkins in that mould. If we didn't have Jacobs I'd say go for it, but at this stage if you wanted a more agile FWD/RUCK I'd be going for Day over Gorringe.

With respect I totally disagree with this statement, Gorringe is infinitely more athletic than McIntosh and would run Kruzuer off his feet.

I agree that he will probabaly not be a majority FF but He will quickly surpass McKernan and Jenkins for the No1 ruck spot.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Not sure why there haven't been more other clubs linked to this. Everyone brings in Essendon, because of Caddy, but there would be plenty of clubs that need a young, number 1 ruckman, and would give up quite a bit for one. If a player like Gorringe is thrown up, but not too our liking, the trade period has been extended so much there's nothing stopping a big multi-team trade happening.

Gorro wants to go home, kinda limits the choices for on trading. However I dont know if the Power and Crows have made a deal like the Suns and Crows have, it's quite possible.

 

[A FEW GOOD MEN]

Gorro wants to go home, kinda limits the choices for on trading. However I dont know if the Power and Crows have made a deal like the Suns and Crows have, it's quite possible.

It's funny how home sickness sets in when you realised that you will be the sixth best tall at the Suns in 2013.

 

[Heafy83]

With respect I totally disagree with this statement, Gorringe is infinitely more athletic than McIntosh and would run Kruzuer off his feet.

I agree that he will probabaly not be a majority FF but He will quickly surpass McKernan and Jenkins for the No1 ruck spot.

But he's not gunning for a No. 1 ruck spot. He will be fighting for a forward spot that rucks occasionally.

 

[Iva Bigun]

It's funny how home sickness sets in when you realised that you will be the sixth best tall at the Suns in 2013.

giggles, true.

But I think it has more to do with being injured for the best part of 2 seasons, needs a fresh start

 

[Mego Red]

GCS: Give up Caddy and Gorringe. Get Tippett and 31.
Ess: Give up Jake Carlisle and 31. Get Caddy.
Adel: Give up Tippett and pick 20. Get Carlisle and pick 7.
PAP: Give up pick 7. Get Gorringe and pick 20.

Surely you jest, we give up 2 top 10 picks from the 2010 draft for Tippett and a pick we wont use and you think we are getting "too much"

I am glad the powers that be at both clubs have been more realistic, in agreeing to trade Tippett for Gorrringe and Flanigan.

Doesn't matter what you paid, it matters what they're worth. Good solid young midfielder, probably worth a pick from 12 to 16 and a ruckman who hasn;t gotten on the park to show anything, probably worth a pick around 18 to 24.

So you've gotten one of the best contested marks in the competition - his ACTUAL value, not some make believe "what he might be worth" - for the equivalent of moving back a few picks in the draft.

If anyone, we're getting ripped off. Giving up Tippett to get Carlisle and move 13 picks seems a bit wrong.

But it's better than you getting Tippett for a delistee and a player who we don't have a spot for and who hasn't shown anything.

 

[Iva Bigun]

GCS: Give up Caddy and Gorringe. Get Tippett and 31.
Ess: Give up Jake Carlisle and 31. Get Caddy.
Adel: Give up Tippett and pick 20. Get Carlisle and pick 7.
PAP: Give up pick 7. Get Gorringe and pick 20.



Doesn't matter what you paid, it matters what they're worth. Good solid young midfielder, probably worth a pick from 12 to 16 and a ruckman who hasn;t gotten on the park to show anything, probably worth a pick around 18 to 24.

So you've gotten one of the best contested marks in the competition - his ACTUAL value, not some make believe "what he might be worth" - for the equivalent of moving back a few picks in the draft.

If anyone, we're getting ripped off. Giving up Tippett to get Carlisle and move 13 picks seems a bit wrong.

But it's better than you getting Tippett for a delistee and a player who we don't have a spot for and who hasn't shown anything.

True, the problem is everyone thinks their player is worth more than the one on offer from the other club.

If you look at our board quite a few are stating how they would rather keep Gorringe and pass on Tippett, it seems worth is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[headache1]

Well seeing as the respective boards of BF teams means sweet **** all in the grand scheme of things, how about we consider what the market thinks they're worth? One is supposedly fielding offers of $600-800k a season, the other one isn't.