Opinion Commentary & Media V

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thought this was a great interview

 

[King Corey]

Let the rorting.... begin.

 

[gokangas]

Let the rorting.... begin.

Don’t forget that it is only a rort if you are not involved.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Firestarter]

Why the hell not...

 

[AnEmptyChair]

As I've said already, I was supportive of a concussion sub being brought in, even this late in the pre-season. But a general injury sub and without independent doctors making the assessment? Hmm. Again, I don't actually mind it but on this occasion I do think it's amateurish bringing it in so close to the start of the season.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[SpiderBurton22]

There's no way a "medical sub" will not be activated on Grand Final day.

 

[King Corey]

Bob Murphy also gets a complimentary premiership medal every GF day.

 

[giantroo]

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Gary Rohan

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Gary Rohan

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33

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189cm

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92kg

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9.6

2star

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6.6

3star

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3.0

3star

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3.3

3star

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2.5

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

6.0

2star

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2.8

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

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3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.2

5star

G

1.2

4star

with his usual 3 possessions on Grand Final day suddenly does his hammy running to the bench half through the 3rd quarter.

 

[DrZaius]

You’re taking a black and white rule and making it grey, it’s the last thing we need. Let’s say Goldy and Lycett are wrestling in Ports forward line about to contest a ball up. Dixon jumps up, takes the ball cleanly from the ball up and kicks an easy goal. No of our guys can do anything because they are all expecting Lycett to be the ruckman.

There’s been no free given, cause Lycett has no idea Goldy is contesting the ruck, he’s just on his man and expecting McKay to ruck. Do you reckon everyone on level 3 would yell and scream at the ump??

It just can’t be done. It won’t work. And let’s be real, how long does it really take to nominate the rucks? About a second? And the umps normally doing it as he’s getting the ball or preparing to bounce.

People that complain about the nominating are just serial complainers and don’t really think through the consequences of removing the rule.

My original point was the ruck nomination rule is one of the things currently slowing down the game and creating congestion, which in turn leads to more stoppages and is a direct result of the whole third man up scenario. The AFL in all their wisdom see more of a congested game and instead of looking at the reasons why there is more congestion, decide to add additional rules to try to artificially open the game up, which in turn create further problems down the line while all the time still not actually addressing the root of the issue.

Yes the third man up was an exploitation of the rules, but instead of letting coaches actually develop strategies to counter it the AFL just decide "lol **** it lets add more rules".

If the ruck nomination is such an efficient system then wtf is the delay with throwing the ball up these days? Why do the umpires need to wait for both teams to get perfectly set up for a stoppage before resuming play? If you're not at a stoppage by the time the umpire gets there and throws the ball up then tough shit IMO.

 

[The Dingrel]

Thats gonna be gamed week in week out. For example, a borderline best 22 player on the ground who's doing nothing and unlikely to be picked the following week surely would be examined for "concussion symptoms" at half time and be subbed out. Might be a good opportunity to blood some kids prior to guys like dumont, jed, and polec coming back. Say you know best 22 regulars coming back the following week, do you play say Lazarro, tell him to bust his nut for a half. If he's flying leave him on, otherwise he's subbed out with "concussion symptoms", and say Spicer comes on and busts his nut for a half, and of course is available the following week.

 

[joegreen]

Not too fussed with the sub rule, am ok with it. If fairness is a driver then why not allow clubs to chose from any of the 4 emergencies. Allows you to cover for different positions. Goldstein goes down and Spicer is the sub ain't going to help us deal with no ruck!

As for the game counting towards the players tally, that doesn't make sense to me. No game time = no game tally.

 

[joegreen]

Thats gonna be gamed week in week out. For example, a borderline best 22 player on the ground who's doing nothing and unlikely to be picked the following week surely would be examined for "concussion symptoms" at half time and be subbed out. Might be a good opportunity to blood some kids prior to guys like dumont, jed, and polec coming back. Say you know best 22 regulars coming back the following week, do you play say Lazarro, tell him to bust his nut for a half. If he's flying leave him on, otherwise he's subbed out with "concussion symptoms", and say Spicer comes on and busts his nut for a half, and of course is available the following week.

I think the fact it is the doctor (albeit club doctors) making the call, plus medical cert, plus asking the player to go along with 'fraud' I'd like to think personal integrity holds true. The old 'my commanding officer made me do it', doesn't hold much weight. Penalties need to severe if they do. And apply to the club, doctor, player and any coach party to it.

 

[shintemaster]

Don’t forget that it is only a rort if you the NMFC is not involved.

 

[Harris 10]

Give us an opportunity to play one of our underdone players who might be only ready to play 2 or 3/4’s as a sub.

 

[Mav]

There's no way a "medical sub" will not be activated on Grand Final day.

Correct. And just wait to someone activates the medical sub for a bruised toe and then another player gets concussed. We'll need a concussion sub in addition to the medical sub.

 

[darko]

Great. Mysterious tweaked hammy by underperforming player who is subbed out. Fresh medical sub player comes on and at 3QT and wins the Granny. Strap yourselves in.

 

[Bertie22]

Not too fussed with the sub rule, am ok with it. If fairness is a driver then why not allow clubs to chose from any of the 4 emergencies. Allows you to cover for different positions. Goldstein goes down and Spicer is the sub ain't going to help us deal with no ruck!

As for the game counting towards the players tally, that doesn't make sense to me. No game time = no game tally.

1981 Grand Final, Carlton v Collingwood. Two interchange players per side, one is Mario Bortolotto (Carlton.) Did not get a run all day, not once despite the interchange system. Game credited to his tally and received his Premiership medallion on the dais.

 

[darko]

Bring back Boomer. The quest for 600 continues.

 

[WD Roo]

1981 Grand Final, Carlton v Collingwood. Two interchange players per side, one is Mario Bortolotto (Carlton.) Did not get a run all day, not once despite the interchange system. Game credited to his tally and received his Premiership medallion on the dais.

Cam Mooney says hi

 

[Mav]

My original point was the ruck nomination rule is one of the things currently slowing down the game and creating congestion, which in turn leads to more stoppages and is a direct result of the whole third man up scenario. The AFL in all their wisdom see more of a congested game and instead of looking at the reasons why there is more congestion, decide to add additional rules to try to artificially open the game up, which in turn create further problems down the line while all the time still not actually addressing the root of the issue.

Yes the third man up was an exploitation of the rules, but instead of letting coaches actually develop strategies to counter it the AFL just decide "lol fu** it lets add more rules".

If the ruck nomination is such an efficient system then wtf is the delay with throwing the ball up these days? Why do the umpires need to wait for both teams to get perfectly set up for a stoppage before resuming play? If you're not at a stoppage by the time the umpire gets there and throws the ball up then tough sh*t IMO.

The influence on congestion is minimal, like I said it takes a second or 2 to nominate and its normally done while the ump is picking the ball up or setting him/herself to bounce/throw the ball up. It takes 20 times longer for the guys to get up off the ground than it does to nominate. Do you honestly think a second or 2 is going to solve congestion? Stopping guys diving on the ball has created way more congestion than nominating a ruck.