List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

What should we do with our 1st round draft pick?

  • Finn O’Sullivan

    Votes: 57 19.0%

  • Sid Draper

    Votes: 86 28.7%

  • Josh Smillie

    Votes: 22 7.3%

  • Jagga Smith

    Votes: 34 11.3%

  • Split for best mid and Tobie Travaglia

    Votes: 46 15.3%

  • Split for best mid and Liam Baker

    Votes: 20 6.7%

  • Split for best mid and best KPD

    Votes: 4 1.3%

  • Split for best two mids

    Votes: 9 3.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 13 4.3%

  • Sam Lalor

    Votes: 9 3.0%
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WCE_phil said:
I watched him play. I need more of a sample size to judge whether or not he can play smaller. Was playing from deep forward. Needs a couple of AFL preseasons.

Very good timing and great leap. Good kick for goal, field kicking will need to see more. Having watched him twice (small sample size I know) So far he reminds me most of Brett Burton.

The real question is with a couple of preseasons can he play further up the ground and be more of a Jobby type or even play HB. If he has a good finish to the wafl season I can definitely see Maric being trialled at HB over the preseason.

Harry Edwards does a lot of things well but is really quite limited athletically. I definitely see Jamieson as a better key defender 2 years from now.

If we can get Busslinger to commit to us then our future spine is looking pretty good.

I now rate both of freo's back up rucks higher than Barnett. Barnett looks like a guy who just happened to play his season of football at 18. I would be in the ears of both of their managers end when they are out of contract. Reidy probably wants out as it is now for a crack at AFL level so we're probably not a shot, however Max Knobel whilst still raw in a couple of years imo is going to be a very, very good ruckman.

The club can then focus on more skilled smalls for the next challenge all the way from defence to FF.
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Okay so what could we expect for Barnett? Adelaide R3 (43?)

I am surprised your writing him off so quickly, surely he is given three years minimum to even make the call.

Out of Knobel/Reidy who would be the target for you? I assume this would most likely be a trade being R4/5 range.

Also, I know its taboo but does anyone have word on Mitch Edwards and if he has matured. Obviously there was a lot of rumours surrounding him last year but would he not be a cheap pick up? The likes of Stanley, Blicavs, Conway and Furphy he is probably long way off and could be one to keep an eye on.
 
Hoskin300 said:
I mean fair enough if you think he should be delisted even if he is best in his position. We just have no depth in that position whatsoever.

Jamieson is not tracking well as a key defender lol. Bloke will be 24 in a months time and is 5th in line at the club for a key defender role. HEdwards has looked levels above him at AFL level this year and is younger (only by a few months but still).
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He isn't even close to being AFL quality anymore, why would you keep him on the list? We've got other outside options on the list, Hunt and Chesser have been our first choice wings all year and as much as the jury is out on Chesser we're far better off playing him than Gaff in that position. Could play guys like Brockman, Dewar, Johnston, Long or Petruccelle through there if we need to. That's without even looking at who we could bring in over the off-season.
Jamieson was looking good as a KPD until he got injured in round 4 or 5. He has potential, but either way he's not going anywhere.
 

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Whilst his development is probably not where we’d hoped, ruckman need decent time unless you’re a NN/Jackson athletic freak. A few anecdotes I saw:

McInerney made his debut in 2018 at 23y and 8 months.

Dean Brogan played 7 games in 2001, 1 game in 2002, and became a regular in 2003 as a 24yo.

Witts played 40 games at Pies from 2013-2016… established himself as a quality ruckman at the Suns when 24y and 6m in 2017.

Reilly O’Brien played 2 games in 2016. Didn’t play again until 2019 when 23y and 9m.

Rowan Marshall only established himself in 2019 at 23yo and 4m.

Tom Hickey didn’t establish himself at senior level until 25yo.

Fine with a 2 year contract extension for Harry, but would definitely want to see improvement in every 6 month block and should be aiming to be B22 by the time his next contract is up.
 
eaglevision said:
Whilst his development is probably not where we’d hoped, ruckman need decent time unless you’re a NN/Jackson athletic freak. A few anecdotes I saw:

McInerney made his debut in 2018 at 23y and 8 months.

Dean Brogan played 7 games in 2001, 1 game in 2002, and became a regular in 2003 as a 24yo.

Witts played 40 games at Pies from 2013-2016… established himself as a quality ruckman at the Suns when 24y and 6m in 2017.

Reilly O’Brien played 2 games in 2016. Didn’t play again until 2019 when 23y and 9m.

Rowan Marshall only established himself in 2019 at 23yo and 4m.

Tom Hickey didn’t establish himself at senior level until 25yo.

Fine with a 2 year contract extension for Harry, but would definitely want to see improvement in every 6 month block and should be aiming to be B22 by the time his next contract is up.
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Conway at Geelong is only starting to get games at Geelong this year because Stanley is cooked, 1 year older than Barnett and he does look like he gets bodied by bigger rucks.
Ned Moyle a year older again and looks ok at the level but not amazing.
 
Godfather32 said:
He isn't even close to being AFL quality anymore, why would you keep him on the list? We've got other outside options on the list, Hunt and Chesser have been our first choice wings all year and as much as the jury is out on Chesser we're far better off playing him than Gaff in that position. Could play guys like Brockman, Dewar, Johnston, Long or Petruccelle through there if we need to. That's without even looking at who we could bring in over the off-season.
Jamieson was looking good as a KPD until he got injured in round 4 or 5. He has potential, but either way he's not going anywhere.
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Yeah exactly, cant be that hard to pick a couple of guys and make them do extra endurance running in the off season so they at least have the tank to run all day up and down the wing.
Dont need wing specialists there but just someone who can do the role until we do get our specialist wingers whenever that may be. Could even find a couple of players.
Maric on a wing could be a nice move in a similar style to Mason Wood, has a long way to go in terms of running ability though.
 
stallon said:
Yeah exactly, cant be that hard to pick a couple of guys and make them do extra endurance running in the off season so they at least have the tank to run all day up and down the wing.
Dont need wing specialists there but just someone who can do the role until we do get our specialist wingers whenever that may be. Could even find a couple of players.
Maric on a wing could be a nice move in a similar style to Mason Wood, has a long way to go in terms of running ability though.
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Wouldn’t mind looking at Nathan O’Driscoll from freo for a wing spot. Would cost nothing, huge tank and good person by all accounts. Agree with getting Maric further behind the ball, would be better for the time being as a HBF being a target for the Gov kick ins and also looking to give him the ball to distribute with his kicking.
 
eaglevision said:
Wouldn’t mind looking at Nathan O’Driscoll from freo for a wing spot. Would cost nothing, huge tank and good person by all accounts. Agree with getting Maric further behind the ball, would be better for the time being as a HBF being a target for the Gov kick ins and also looking to give him the ball to distribute with his kicking.
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ODriscoll would be a good one to get, what do you think ODriscoll would cost?
Out of contract and not getting games so id imagine a 4th rounder could be ball park, or a PSD pickup perhaps
 
stallon said:
ODriscoll would be a good one to get, what do you think ODriscoll would cost?
Out of contract and not getting games so id imagine a 4th rounder could be ball park, or a PSD pickup perhaps
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I expect him to be delisted so DFA and free of draft cost, I’m sure he’d love to stay in Perth, especially with Aiden’s horrible injury.
 
Sam Taylor signs a 7 year deal

Puts to rest anyone who still thought he was gettable
 

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Jumpoff Joey said:
Okay so what could we expect for Barnett? Adelaide R3 (43?)

I am surprised your writing him off so quickly, surely he is given three years minimum to even make the call.

Out of Knobel/Reidy who would be the target for you? I assume this would most likely be a trade being R4/5 range.

Also, I know its taboo but does anyone have word on Mitch Edwards and if he has matured. Obviously there was a lot of rumours surrounding him last year but would he not be a cheap pick up? The likes of Stanley, Blicavs, Conway and Furphy he is probably long way off and could be one to keep an eye on.
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Honestly, he's just tracking poorly, much less than expected. If he was getting beaten out in the ruck but getting plenty of ball around the ground at WAFL level then that would be what we were chasing as that was what was expected until his body developed. He's not getting the ball at WAFL level and he gets monstered by WAFL level rucks. I would honestly suggest his output wouldn't put him the top few WAFL reserves rucks. Unless the crows are going off of draft year form he is basically worthless.

Knobel would be the one I would chase. Out of contract and if offered a 3 year contract would be a very cheap pick up.

Edwards is best not coming back to a WA club.
 
Godfather32 said:
He isn't even close to being AFL quality anymore, why would you keep him on the list? We've got other outside options on the list, Hunt and Chesser have been our first choice wings all year and as much as the jury is out on Chesser we're far better off playing him than Gaff in that position. Could play guys like Brockman, Dewar, Johnston, Long or Petruccelle through there if we need to. That's without even looking at who we could bring in over the off-season.
Jamieson was looking good as a KPD until he got injured in round 4 or 5. He has potential, but either way he's not going anywhere.
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The issue with Hunt is that he has been pretty medicore on the wing. Gaff was probably just as good as Hunt has been (on a wing) on Saturday. Prefer Hunt in the backline where he has excelled for us.

None of those guys other than Johnston are actually wingers. But yes hopefully we bring in some reinforcements.

He wasn't really looking good. He had some great games but also had some absolute shockers. The kind of form expected from a 20 year old not a 24 year old. HEdwards is miles ahead and Bazzo no doubt will be. Unfortunately for us he is a wasted list spot if he hangs around for another year.
 
Godfather32 said:
Surely we're not dumb enough to do this

www.watoday.com.au

West Coast Eagles veteran Andrew Gaff keen to extend AFL career

Out-of-contract West Coast wingman Andrew Gaff is adamant he has more good football left in him, and he hopes to earn a new deal at the Eagles.
www.watoday.com.au www.watoday.com.au
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When asked if he would like to play with West Coast beyond this season, Gaff said he would “love to”.

“But nothing has been spoken about. It’s more been me putting my head down and focusing on contributing.”
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If I’ve got Andrew Gaff in front of me in an interview, having just played an unremarkable but ultimately fine enough 21 touch, goal on his return game, I’m asking him about his contract and career.

If I’m Andrew Gaff, I’m saying yeah I’d like to continue my football career.

Don’t think this gives us any indication of anything, just that the question was asked.

We can’t extend him. Give him a coaching gig if he’s worth that to the boys or let him run around for the Beagles if he’s that desperate, but no.
 
Hoskin300 said:
The issue with Hunt is that he has been pretty medicore on the wing. Gaff was probably just as good as Hunt has been (on a wing) on Saturday. Prefer Hunt in the backline where he has excelled for us.

None of those guys other than Johnston are actually wingers. But yes hopefully we bring in some reinforcements.

He wasn't really looking good. He had some great games but also had some absolute shockers. The kind of form expected from a 20 year old not a 24 year old. HEdwards is miles ahead and Bazzo no doubt will be. Unfortunately for us he is a wasted list spot if he hangs around for another year.
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So keeping the guy who's a contracted player and you admit has had some great games as a KPD is a waste of a list spot, but giving an uncontracted 32 year old Gaff who's last great game was 3 or 4 years ago and shuffles along like Cliff Young is a good use of one?
Right...there's no use continuing this conversation
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
If I’ve got Andrew Gaff in front of me in an interview, having just played an unremarkable but ultimately fine enough 21 touch, goal on his return game, I’m asking him about his contract and career.

If I’m Andrew Gaff, I’m saying yeah I’d like to continue my football career.

Don’t think this gives us any indication of anything, just that the question was asked.

We can’t extend him, give him a coaching gig if he’s worth that to the boys and let him run around for the Beagles if he’s that desperate, but no.
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Like I said, surely we're not dumb enough to do this....
....right?
 
Jumpoff Joey said:
Also, I know its taboo but does anyone have word on Mitch Edwards and if he has matured. Obviously there was a lot of rumours surrounding him last year but would he not be a cheap pick up? The likes of Stanley, Blicavs, Conway and Furphy he is probably long way off and could be one to keep an eye on.
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Shannon Neale would be the one to keep an eye on from the Cats. Moves exceptionally well for a 203cm player. Not so much a pure ruck but a better option for the FWD/ruck role than BWilliams, who is just not a viable prospect for that role moving forward and will need replacing.
 
Godfather32 said:
So keeping the guy who's a contracted player and you admit has had some great games as a KPD is a waste of a list spot, but giving an uncontracted 32 year old Gaff who's last great game was 3 or 4 years ago and shuffles along like Cliff Young is a good use of one?
Right...there's no use continuing this conversation
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Because jamieson is 5th best option for playing key position and is 24. What’s difficult to process about that? He is a wafl quality player that is already mid 20s. Very very unlikely to ever make it and unlikely to get the chance to prove it. His competition is two AA key position players and players better than him that are younger.

Compare that to a situation where gaff is the number one player in his position in a position we have very limited depth and only one other senior player.

Let’s be clear that both add very minimal value to our list. Gaff however adds more than jamieson (but that’s not saying much).
 
Icanwalk said:
Shannon Neale would be the one to keep an eye on from the Cats. Moves exceptionally well for a 203cm player. Not so much a pure ruck but a better option for the FWD/ruck role than BWilliams, who is just not a viable prospect for that role moving forward and will need replacing.
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I think we have enough fwd/rucks tbh. Put Jack Williams in there if Bailey isnt good enough.
Geelong will work very hard to make sure Neale stays, hes their Hawkins replacement probably at the end of this year
 
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