List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  26

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  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

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  M/F

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  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

To be the starting ruck.

everyone saw that as a mistake.

Went to be the starting ruck. Had a decent track record playing when Nankervis was out.

Williams has a decent track record playing when Naitanui/Flynn are out.

 

[wirra44]

lol what folklore?

Being a fringe player in a shithouse side?

His output would have been similar to Chesser’s imo. And we all know how popular he is on this board.

Least Chesser has some wheels , Robertson is just a straight out plodder, we already have 2 of them in gaff and Sheed we don’t need anymore.

 

[wirra44]

Dev could have had it all. I hope he regrets his decision for the rest of his life.

He could have been part of WA footy folklore

Geez sound a bit sour/sick over his decision? You should be happy he didn’t agree to come here.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I think Lalor will come home towards the back end of the year like a storm and has the traits to push into the top 3 in the draft. He's the one I see as being the standout at the next level over time.

IMO we really need either FOS to stand up and earn that top 2 spot or some others to come bustling through at which point I would want to split.

If O'Sullivan can smash out the second half of the year then he will likely be in WCE colours next year.

Smillie is looking like a likely outright leader for pick 1 and unless some trade for pick 1 comes up thats too good to knock back I think North will just take him. For all of the mids they've picked he's the one type they really don't have.



Sheed's foot isn't ever getting better, so basically his career is dust and he's just collecting a pay cheque until it's time to retire.

Gaff is done.

Hewett can't get on the park, has very high talent levels but hasn't shown composure at AFL level for one and two that real burning desire to get the best out of himself hasn't been there. He a bit like Liam Ryan isn't the best off field but he's young so we need to give him time. If between himself and the club can get the best out of him he is nigh on as talented as Reid.

Ginbey could be anything, but he could also be just a roleplayer. He's currently second to the ball in almost all contested situations and if he is first to the ball he isn't clean. Needs to work on his pickups at speed. We do know he will do his absolute best to get to the peak of his ability. Not sure he's the centre ball bull we are looking for but does look neater playing from defence. His marking is better than I thought.

Harley Reid is a marquee player and one we can build around.

The club is very short on midfielders and quality disposal from HB in years to come.

Bailey Williams sure we could play him for another couple of years and see if he can develop as a number 1 ruck but imo he's trash as a forward. He is a 50/50 kick and doesn't have great forward craft. He either needs to go full on super strong ruck whilst maintaining a bit of athleticism or his kicking has to improve.

Bazzo is now getting to the point of being a long shot to make it, he's missed a lot of time, family situation, doesn't play taller than he is and is high level kick. He's a better kick than Edwards (Who I don't think makes it either) but at 194 and with his traits it's hard to see him matching up against big forwards.

Archer Reid will be given a few years and I hope he can display his talent but I've seen a lot of this kid of the past few years and he's a project player. Has lots of nice attributes but has shown over an extended period his reading of the play and his attack on the ball and man isn't at the level required. I think he's a long shot as a forward and if he is to make it the club should start trying to develop him as a defender ASAP.

Culley has the fire in the belly and the will to make it, but he's too slow to be a marking forward of choice and he needs to show something in the midfield at AFL level. If he doesn't make it as a mid at AFL level I don't think he makes it.

Baker, delist. WAFL level player

Trew, delist. No versatility, above WAFL level as an inside mid but not good enough to be the inside man at AFL level.

Dewar if he can put it all together is very much a diamond in the rough and could be a very good half forward for us. Needs to put it together in the next 2 years.

Jack Williams has shown a lot more than I expected and over time to me looks more likely as the second ruck / forward. Is a very smart player and whilst he will never be a dominant ruckman he is the sort of second ruck who could average a goal a game or more and is great at halving contests and getting the ball to ground. Since he's got to the club he's just slowly kept getting better. His weakness is his athleticism.

Rotham is a delist when we out of contract. Had all the tools but has two faults. He has been poorly developed imo and thats on the club. Secondly he just doesn't seem to have the vision of what to do next from defence. He just doesn't seem to be able to react to the play quickly enough.

Luke Edwards has a shitload of versatility but is too slow and hasn't shown he can be a main man in the middle. He's a delist.

Harry Edwards to me isn't AFL quality but he could be with the right players around him. You can really only carry one very poor kick in your defensive unit and you can really only do it if your other players are elite kicks.

Chesser is improving, i'm coming around but think he'll be a role player who hits his stride at around 24/25. Worth keeping.

Hough is a genuine A class lockdown defender who can play smaller or taller and get up the field a bit. He is an average kick who has a tendency to get under the ball but makes good decisions. Will put together a great career but in your best 22/23 really only have space for one of those players. A lock for the future.

Noah Long looks a promising and developing young forward / flanker however any time a player has a major knee injury it's always a watch afterwards.

Maric has elite vision, very good kicking skills and is a good size. The real question is can we make a top class wingman out of him or is he our future third tall back. A lot more Birchall than Gunston in him imo.

Hall has time. He has very good hands, has great endurance, is tough and has a good top speed. His kicking is very 50/50 and will need work and time. I think he makes it and is not the same player but very much a redden type and makes good midfield rotation and can make it as your pig centreman. Great defensively as well.

Rawlinson The club will likely give him time but who knows. I don't think he's an AFL level player or ever will be. He has the pressure part down as a forward but his kicking is not good enough imo.

Johnston is a project but i'd say he's more a yes than a no and needs a few seasons. Could very well make it on a wing for us but don't think he'll ever be more than a roleplayer.

Livingstone as a cat B is worth giving some time to. He has great aggression but is likely too small to ever be a number one ruck so need to work on his kicking and forward craft. I'd give him the full 3 years as a cat b player before making a decision. His kicking will likely decide whether he makes or doesn't make the grade as a ruck forward.

Jamieson is much more athletic and is a better kick than Harry Edwards. He could be a genuine FB but he's got a very short period of time to make his case.

Burgiel for all his talent I don't think is going to make it. Whether it's been the injuries or he doesn't want to be in WA the knock on his game was always defensively. Although we're only into his second year i'm at the point where I think he just doesn't want it enough which is a shame.

Harry Barnett. Lacks intensity, had an amazing U18's year but I just don't think he'll make it. Second round picks are always a 50/50 and it looks to me like we bet on the wrong horse and should have gone small there and tall later on. Really disappointed as I rated him so high. I could be overly harsh but if he's not a number 1 ruckman it's hard finding a spot for him at AFL level.

Jack Hutchinson. Whilst 22 it's best to look at him as a first year player. Yes he's more physically developed than most 18/19 year olds but he has come from a long way back playing country footy all the way through. He has a lot of untapped ability. He is a high flyer, is generally a good field kick and good kick for goal. He's fast without being blisteringly quick. Would still be in the top 3 on our list. From what i've seen reminds me a lot of a young Brett Burton. He needs some more development and it will be interesting to see if he can play further up the ground. Will need a couple of years of development.

Tyler Brockman. Has talent, good vision and is a good field kick. Has a bit of the yips at the moment and has had a really tough run with family and his two young ones. He has the talent, he's got till the end of the year to prove whether he has the determination. A few little things were kept quiet over east from what i've been told and we've had the incident (which i might say in a close family most of us have all done maybe not the same thing but something equally stupid) after the funeral. I'm now living it up in the heat and cheap beer for the next few months but just before my I left was told he has till the end of the year to prove he can put in the effort to make it at the top level and earn the trust of the playing group.

For our KP stocks its make or break for the next generation in the next 2 years, outside of Reid and Ginbey to a much lesser extent our next gen midfield is looking very thin on both talent and exposed form. We have one great defensive medium defender, a decent small forward, CHF and FF covered bar injury. Very thing all round in a couple of years time and genuinely think the clubs needs an assistance package. So far our young players and what we draft in with nominal picks will be likely enough to keep the club where it is in the forseeable future as players drop off and retire. Without an assistance package or genuinely pulling some high end players out of our arse with late picks the club will struggle on field without priority assistance.

As always, your thoughts are appreciated but I just cannot see how you're wiping BW as a forward off yet.

He's had very little chance, especially continuity of chance by position to play forward.

He's shown ability to grow into roles given stability/continuity.

Not so much a natural footballer but he can learn and is a fantastic athlete for his size and has some aggression.

I personally think you're writing him off too early for this role and I think the potential is there to be a bloody good forward/2nd ruck.

 

[Elite Pete]

Teams just don’t value reserve or developing rucks. This has been proven time and again every trade period.

That’s one thing but to say Sweet and BWilliams have the same value…… give yourself a spell, coming across trollish

 

[Tugga27]

Dev could have had it all. I hope he regrets his decision for the rest of his life.

He could have been part of WA footy folklore

How's that?

Didn't you say he was our future captain?

 

[Tugga27]

Dev could have had it all. I hope he regrets his decision for the rest of his life.

He could have been part of WA footy folklore

If Dev got as many kicks as you use the "thumbs down" emoji, he'd win a Brownlow.

 

[WCE_phil]

As always, your thoughts are appreciated but I just cannot see how you're wiping BW as a forward off yet.

He's had very little chance, especially continuity of chance by position to play forward.

He's shown ability to grow into roles given stability/continuity.

Not so much a natural footballer but he can learn and is a fantastic athlete for his size and has some aggression.

I personally think you're writing him off too early for this role and I think the potential is there to be a bloody good forward/2nd ruck.

For a second ruck I want more forward and less ruck. Yes Bailey has played above and beyond what would be expected of a young ruckman, but watching the running patterns I find it hard making a case for him long term if Jack Williams continues his slow steady rate of improvement.

His kicking is also genuinely shithouse. He has a decent action but it doesn't matter whether its a field kick or kick for goal, its like rolling a dice whenever he kicks the ball.

 

[ArdentEagle]

For a second ruck I want more forward and less ruck. Yes Bailey has played above and beyond what would be expected of a young ruckman, but watching the running patterns I find it hard making a case for him long term if Jack Williams continues his slow steady rate of improvement.

His kicking is also genuinely shithouse. He has a decent action but it doesn't matter whether its a field kick or kick for goal, its like rolling a dice whenever he kicks the ball.

I want more of a forward too and I think you'll get it if he gets more of a chance to develop in that role.

I think his goal kicking routine and technique can be improved with the right coach.

Just give him a bit more time in the role (forward) before you shoot him I say

 

[Elite Pete]

Roos with a ‘huge’ 3 year offer for Yeo. Even with his age, At what stage do we talk band 1. With if Adelaide’s offer was $900, I thinking Roos must be around $1.2m to be huge. That has to be band 1

 

[random260]

Roos with a ‘huge’ 3 year offer for Yeo. Even with his age, At what stage do we talk band 1. With if Adelaide’s offer was $900, I thinking Roos must be around $1.2m to be huge. That has to be band 1

Holy ****.

If it's a bidding war at some point they will trigger band 1. Geelong also in the bidding war did caro say.

If it's close to band one/pick 4. Then wce should give Yeo some under the table money to make him move. Maybe a few hungry jacks for his trouble. Yeo being a club man would also agree

The long gamer in me thinks. If we let Yeo go while not ideal we finish last and get dyson

Imagine the mid setup of

1. Dyson Sharp (extractor Tom Green)
2. Harley Reid
3. Sid Draper

 

[mad_eagle]

Roos with a ‘huge’ 3 year offer for Yeo. Even with his age, At what stage do we talk band 1. With if Adelaide’s offer was $900, I thinking Roos must be around $1.2m to be huge. That has to be band 1

Would piss myself if we end up with pick 4 for Yeo, but have no doubt the afl’s magic “formula” will ensure it’s no better than end of first rd.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Freo paid up big for Max Gawn

11

Max Gawn

Age

33

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.7

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

35.3

5star

D

18.5

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

7.0

4star

CL

3.5

4star

HO

29.2

5star

D

8.4

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

4.8

4star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

15.6

5star

's understudy to be second ruck behind a fat bloke.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Would piss myself if we end up with pick 4 for Yeo, but have no doubt the afl’s magic “formula” will ensure it’s no better than end of first rd.

There's 0% chance we get Band 1 at his age imo

Holy ****.

If it's a bidding war at some point they will trigger band 1. Geelong also in the bidding war did caro say.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

There's 0% chance we get Band 1 at his age imo

I'm HOWLING. Yeo's management must really hate West Coasts current offer

 

[Elite Pete]

There's 0% chance we get Band 1 at his age imo

3 years at say $1.2m a year has to be very close.

Hard spot for the Eagles list management to be in.

 

[mad_eagle]

There's 0% chance we get Band 1 at his age imo

Yeh agreed, but would be good to know at what point a “huge offer” would trigger this considering his age. That’s the stupid thing about this compo formula, nobody has any idea (including the people managing it).

 

[ghostbat12]

Dev could have had it all. I hope he regrets his decision for the rest of his life.

He could have been part of WA footy folklore

Does wa footy folklore include iron ore mining and holidays down south?

 

[eaglevision]

Won’t go close to band 1 at his age, we’d be lucky to get band 2. He’s worth more to us than an end of 1R compo pick which will end up in the late 20s, that’s almost like turning us into Norf’s midfield.

List management has some questions to answer for not locking him down sooner if they’ve been haggling over 150k a year. Still think it’s very unlikely him and his wife take his newborn over to Melbourne to play for the shittiest team in the league.

 

[Cuzz09]

Yeo would have to be an idiot to not take one of these deals.

Would 100% not hate him for taking such an offer late in career.

Once in a lifetime offer when you're 1 gane from not playing again really

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[Godfather32]

I think Lalor will come home towards the back end of the year like a storm and has the traits to push into the top 3 in the draft. He's the one I see as being the standout at the next level over time.

IMO we really need either FOS to stand up and earn that top 2 spot or some others to come bustling through at which point I would want to split.

If O'Sullivan can smash out the second half of the year then he will likely be in WCE colours next year.

Smillie is looking like a likely outright leader for pick 1 and unless some trade for pick 1 comes up thats too good to knock back I think North will just take him. For all of the mids they've picked he's the one type they really don't have.



Sheed's foot isn't ever getting better, so basically his career is dust and he's just collecting a pay cheque until it's time to retire.

Gaff is done.

Hewett can't get on the park, has very high talent levels but hasn't shown composure at AFL level for one and two that real burning desire to get the best out of himself hasn't been there. He a bit like Liam Ryan isn't the best off field but he's young so we need to give him time. If between himself and the club can get the best out of him he is nigh on as talented as Reid.

Ginbey could be anything, but he could also be just a roleplayer. He's currently second to the ball in almost all contested situations and if he is first to the ball he isn't clean. Needs to work on his pickups at speed. We do know he will do his absolute best to get to the peak of his ability. Not sure he's the centre ball bull we are looking for but does look neater playing from defence. His marking is better than I thought.

Harley Reid is a marquee player and one we can build around.

The club is very short on midfielders and quality disposal from HB in years to come.

Bailey Williams sure we could play him for another couple of years and see if he can develop as a number 1 ruck but imo he's trash as a forward. He is a 50/50 kick and doesn't have great forward craft. He either needs to go full on super strong ruck whilst maintaining a bit of athleticism or his kicking has to improve.

Bazzo is now getting to the point of being a long shot to make it, he's missed a lot of time, family situation, doesn't play taller than he is and is high level kick. He's a better kick than Edwards (Who I don't think makes it either) but at 194 and with his traits it's hard to see him matching up against big forwards.

Archer Reid will be given a few years and I hope he can display his talent but I've seen a lot of this kid of the past few years and he's a project player. Has lots of nice attributes but has shown over an extended period his reading of the play and his attack on the ball and man isn't at the level required. I think he's a long shot as a forward and if he is to make it the club should start trying to develop him as a defender ASAP.

Culley has the fire in the belly and the will to make it, but he's too slow to be a marking forward of choice and he needs to show something in the midfield at AFL level. If he doesn't make it as a mid at AFL level I don't think he makes it.

Baker, delist. WAFL level player

Trew, delist. No versatility, above WAFL level as an inside mid but not good enough to be the inside man at AFL level.

Dewar if he can put it all together is very much a diamond in the rough and could be a very good half forward for us. Needs to put it together in the next 2 years.

Jack Williams has shown a lot more than I expected and over time to me looks more likely as the second ruck / forward. Is a very smart player and whilst he will never be a dominant ruckman he is the sort of second ruck who could average a goal a game or more and is great at halving contests and getting the ball to ground. Since he's got to the club he's just slowly kept getting better. His weakness is his athleticism.

Rotham is a delist when we out of contract. Had all the tools but has two faults. He has been poorly developed imo and thats on the club. Secondly he just doesn't seem to have the vision of what to do next from defence. He just doesn't seem to be able to react to the play quickly enough.

Luke Edwards has a shitload of versatility but is too slow and hasn't shown he can be a main man in the middle. He's a delist.

Harry Edwards to me isn't AFL quality but he could be with the right players around him. You can really only carry one very poor kick in your defensive unit and you can really only do it if your other players are elite kicks.

Chesser is improving, i'm coming around but think he'll be a role player who hits his stride at around 24/25. Worth keeping.

Hough is a genuine A class lockdown defender who can play smaller or taller and get up the field a bit. He is an average kick who has a tendency to get under the ball but makes good decisions. Will put together a great career but in your best 22/23 really only have space for one of those players. A lock for the future.

Noah Long looks a promising and developing young forward / flanker however any time a player has a major knee injury it's always a watch afterwards.

Maric has elite vision, very good kicking skills and is a good size. The real question is can we make a top class wingman out of him or is he our future third tall back. A lot more Birchall than Gunston in him imo.

Hall has time. He has very good hands, has great endurance, is tough and has a good top speed. His kicking is very 50/50 and will need work and time. I think he makes it and is not the same player but very much a redden type and makes good midfield rotation and can make it as your pig centreman. Great defensively as well.

Rawlinson The club will likely give him time but who knows. I don't think he's an AFL level player or ever will be. He has the pressure part down as a forward but his kicking is not good enough imo.

Johnston is a project but i'd say he's more a yes than a no and needs a few seasons. Could very well make it on a wing for us but don't think he'll ever be more than a roleplayer.

Livingstone as a cat B is worth giving some time to. He has great aggression but is likely too small to ever be a number one ruck so need to work on his kicking and forward craft. I'd give him the full 3 years as a cat b player before making a decision. His kicking will likely decide whether he makes or doesn't make the grade as a ruck forward.

Jamieson is much more athletic and is a better kick than Harry Edwards. He could be a genuine FB but he's got a very short period of time to make his case.

Burgiel for all his talent I don't think is going to make it. Whether it's been the injuries or he doesn't want to be in WA the knock on his game was always defensively. Although we're only into his second year i'm at the point where I think he just doesn't want it enough which is a shame.

Harry Barnett. Lacks intensity, had an amazing U18's year but I just don't think he'll make it. Second round picks are always a 50/50 and it looks to me like we bet on the wrong horse and should have gone small there and tall later on. Really disappointed as I rated him so high. I could be overly harsh but if he's not a number 1 ruckman it's hard finding a spot for him at AFL level.

Jack Hutchinson. Whilst 22 it's best to look at him as a first year player. Yes he's more physically developed than most 18/19 year olds but he has come from a long way back playing country footy all the way through. He has a lot of untapped ability. He is a high flyer, is generally a good field kick and good kick for goal. He's fast without being blisteringly quick. Would still be in the top 3 on our list. From what i've seen reminds me a lot of a young Brett Burton. He needs some more development and it will be interesting to see if he can play further up the ground. Will need a couple of years of development.

Tyler Brockman. Has talent, good vision and is a good field kick. Has a bit of the yips at the moment and has had a really tough run with family and his two young ones. He has the talent, he's got till the end of the year to prove whether he has the determination. A few little things were kept quiet over east from what i've been told and we've had the incident (which i might say in a close family most of us have all done maybe not the same thing but something equally stupid) after the funeral. I'm now living it up in the heat and cheap beer for the next few months but just before my I left was told he has till the end of the year to prove he can put in the effort to make it at the top level and earn the trust of the playing group.

For our KP stocks its make or break for the next generation in the next 2 years, outside of Reid and Ginbey to a much lesser extent our next gen midfield is looking very thin on both talent and exposed form. We have one great defensive medium defender, a decent small forward, CHF and FF covered bar injury. Very thing all round in a couple of years time and genuinely think the clubs needs an assistance package. So far our young players and what we draft in with nominal picks will be likely enough to keep the club where it is in the forseeable future as players drop off and retire. Without an assistance package or genuinely pulling some high end players out of our arse with late picks the club will struggle on field without priority assistance.

Thanks Dean, not Phil.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Won’t go close to band 1 at his age, we’d be lucky to get band 2. He’s worth more to us than an end of 1R compo pick which will end up in the late 20s, that’s almost like turning us into Norf’s midfield.

List management has some questions to answer for not locking him down sooner if they’ve been haggling over 150k a year. Still think it’s very unlikely him and his wife take his newborn over to Melbourne to play for the shittiest team in the league.

This is a bit unfair. This board is always shutting on the club for signing older players up earlier than they should and for longer than they should.

We had every reasons to wait and to see how his season panned out. Yeo was and remains a his risk re-signing, his body could break down at any minute.

750kx2 with a trigger for a 3rd year is the very highest we should go.

 

[TerryFilk]

I think there’s no chance Yeo nets band 1 compo as age and contract length is a major factor

It’s seeming like he’ll net an end of 1st though

 

[eaglevision]

This is a bit unfair. This board is always shutting on the club for signing older players up earlier than they should and for longer than they should.

We had every reasons to wait and to see how his season panned out. Yeo was and remains a his risk re-signing, his body could break down at any minute.

750kx2 with a trigger for a 3rd year is the very highest we should go.

No issue with 2+1 which is what I’ve maintained throughout. The post said the issue is if they’ve low balled him salary wise when we’re going to struggle to reach the 95% floor anyway.

 

[twce13]

Calling massive BS that EH work rate off field doesnt cut it. Everything ive heard is opposite.