List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

What should we do with our 1st round draft pick?

  • Finn O’Sullivan

    Votes: 57 19.0%

  • Sid Draper

    Votes: 86 28.7%

  • Josh Smillie

    Votes: 22 7.3%

  • Jagga Smith

    Votes: 34 11.3%

  • Split for best mid and Tobie Travaglia

    Votes: 46 15.3%

  • Split for best mid and Liam Baker

    Votes: 20 6.7%

  • Split for best mid and best KPD

    Votes: 4 1.3%

  • Split for best two mids

    Votes: 9 3.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 13 4.3%

  • Sam Lalor

    Votes: 9 3.0%
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I'd just tell Barrass no trade as he is wanted. Reason being last season if he wanted out he could of and we would of got compo like McKay. It would of been a top 5 pick.

This season asking for it is a slap in the face to us as compo is no longer. It can only be done by trade and no way is Barrass going to fetch a top 10 pick.

Most they will give is pick 25 for him so it's not worth it for us.

Tell Barrass we don't want to trade him and Collingwood can go stick it. They think they can get him cheap while being contracted. Barrass shouldn't of signed the contract if he didn't want to be here. It is tough love now.
 
Wooshaaaa said:
It won't be early second round. It will be pick 30 again!! Draft is cooked.

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It will be early second round except the second round is probably going to start at 30 again like last year FFS. Absolutely cooked it’s an absolute joke.
 
Free Agent said:
I'd just tell Barrass no trade as he is wanted. Reason being last season if he wanted out he could of and we would of got compo like McKay. It would of been a top 5 pick.

This season asking for it is a slap in the face to us as compo is no longer. It can only be done by trade and no way is Barrass going to fetch a top 10 pick.

Most they will give is pick 25 for him so it's not worth it for us.

Tell Barrass we don't want to trade him and Collingwood can go stick it. They think they can get him cheap while being contracted. Barrass shouldn't of signed the contract if he didn't want to be here. It is tough love now.
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TB wasnt a free agent last year. We wont get only pick 25 in a trade thatd be HUGE unders, hes still one of the best KPDs in the comp and is contracted. Itll have to be at the least something equivalent value to roughly pick 10, or he stays
 

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stallon said:
TB wasnt a free agent last year. We wont get only pick 25 in a trade thatd be HUGE unders, hes still one of the best KPDs in the comp and is contracted. Itll have to be at the least something equivalent value to roughly pick 10, or he stays
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Yeah I'd want to pick 10 at minimum non negotiable but I don't know. Reckon Collingwood playing stupid games here. Don't believe it for a second. They want him cheap.
 
Free Agent said:
I'd just tell Barrass no trade as he is wanted. Reason being last season if he wanted out he could of and we would of got compo like McKay. It would of been a top 5 pick.

This season asking for it is a slap in the face to us as compo is no longer. It can only be done by trade and no way is Barrass going to fetch a top 10 pick.

Most they will give is pick 25 for him so it's not worth it for us.

Tell Barrass we don't want to trade him and Collingwood can go stick it. They think they can get him cheap while being contracted. Barrass shouldn't of signed the contract if he didn't want to be here. It is tough love now.
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Didn’t think Barrass was one of your namesake’s last year
 
Jezzza said:
Didn’t think Barrass was one of your namesake’s last year
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He was a Free Agent in 2021.

2021 2023 what's the difference lol

Regardless no deal unless it's top 10.
Just because it's Collingwood. How dare they think our contracted players are all up for grabs.

Just because we are down the bottom doesn't mean we will bend over for the clubs up the top. We got the money to buy those clubs. They should never underestimate the powerful club we are. You want our contracted players then pay up or piss off is our club memo.
 
So there is momentum on this board to cash in on Yeo, Barrass and Allen. Wow - I go away for a moth and look what has happened!!!


The only one I can support losing is IF we got a substantial offer for Tom, then I would listen. Being under contract for another 2.5 years means we hold the whip so any offer has to be enticing. I would want the pick the Hawks are likely to hand over for Smith from the Dogs (likely to be pick 6). I would also start to add in the Buss into the discussions since he will be further depth if Tom arrives. So pick 6 and the Bus for Tom and a F3 works for me.

Meanwhile I am not wanting either Baker or English but I do like the idea of Busslinger coming home.

Buss in not ready for a lock down role yet so we would be hoping like hell Jamieson is ready to go at FB. I cannot see a world that Harry Edwards is going to make an AFL standard. Shocking closing speed and he just does not ready the ball in the air with an opponent at all well.

In terms of Oscar - it would take 2 first rounders with at least one of them being a top 8 pick and even then I will probably go out and give myself an uppercut and say NO. Anyone saying Oscar and Jake play the same role are watching the game very differently to me.

Meanwhile it is early days but I am seeing a great evenness to the middle to late first round this year. Not sure how but I would happily go in with a deal something like Crows R1 this year (expect pick 5) and their F1 (valued in at 10) for our R1 (likely to be 2) and our F3 (value at 40) so they can get Draper and Welsh. Then do a deal with Suns on the Crows F1 for their pick 9. Go to the draft with 6 (Moraes or Murphy or best mid at that range), 9 (Travaglia), 22 (Mraz), R4 while bringing in Buss and losing Tom. Head into 2025 with our own R1, R2 and Crows R2.

I am seeing the Purples holding 3 x R1 this year and all could end up in the low teens. There will be great quality to choose from at that range. Maybe Sydney might accept an offer for Logan and hence the Swans would be more interested in Barrass and have better currency than 18 and 19.
 
Free Agent said:
Yeah I'd want to pick 10 at minimum non negotiable but I don't know. Reckon Collingwood playing stupid games here. Don't believe it for a second. They want him cheap.
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The Pies fans are coming up with some pretty horrid trades. Very one sided as you would expect, a couple are being reasonable.

Then again they arent in charge and have no idea on player value. Especially tall defenders under contract.

If TB is keen on the Pies IMO the attraction would be the lack of travel factor, they could snag another flag and it could extend his career a couple of years.
 
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Free Agent said:
I'd just tell Barrass no trade as he is wanted. Reason being last season if he wanted out he could of and we would of got compo like McKay. It would of been a top 5 pick.

This season asking for it is a slap in the face to us as compo is no longer. It can only be done by trade and no way is Barrass going to fetch a top 10 pick.

Most they will give is pick 25 for him so it's not worth it for us.

Tell Barrass we don't want to trade him and Collingwood can go stick it. They think they can get him cheap while being contracted. Barrass shouldn't of signed the contract if he didn't want to be here. It is tough love now.
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If it benefited the club long term why wouldnt we listen to offers.

Sounds like last season he would have struggled to pass a medical with his back.

If the Swans, Dogs or Pies wanted him this trade period he has shown (so far) he is still very capable and the back is holding up. So that would address some concerns and help with the value clubs would be willing to pay.

Trying to work out why TB would even consider this move. All I can think of he is looking to extend his career a couple more seasons by avoiding the dreaded travel factor. If he went to Collingwood he knows he wouldnt be on a plane every 2nd week and they are well resourced. He asks for an extension to his current deal with triggers that could land him two additional years job security in a winning team not rebuilding. Two extra years adds up when you are earning over $600k plus pa. We may pay some of his salary to get better picks which is a win for us, TB and Pies.
 
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briztoon said:
We have to wait and see if changes to the bid matching and/or points system will be brought in to effect this season or next season.
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I believe Laura Kane has announced that any changes will not be ratified until they have been explained at least six times by briztoon on the West Coast board.
 
Obeanie1 said:
The Pies fans are coming up with some pretty horid trades. Very one sided as you woyld expect, a couple are being reasonable.

Then again they arent in charge and have no idea on player value. Especially ones under contract.

If TB is keen on the Pies IMO the attraction would be the lack of travel factor, they could snag another flag and it could extend his career a couple of years.
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Any of them come up with N Daicos for Barrass? Have we nuffed that one up on here yet?
 

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Any of them come up with N Daicos for Barrass? Have we nuffed that one up on here yet?
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No they are at Fynn McCrae to Dogs

Busslinger to Eagles

TB to Pies.

Cracking Up Lol GIF
 
AsterixTheGaul said:
So there is momentum on this board to cash in on Yeo, Barrass and Allen. Wow - I go away for a moth and look what has happened!!!


The only one I can support losing is IF we got a substantial offer for Tom, then I would listen. Being under contract for another 2.5 years means we hold the whip so any offer has to be enticing. I would want the pick the Hawks are likely to hand over for Smith from the Dogs (likely to be pick 6). I would also start to add in the Buss into the discussions since he will be further depth if Tom arrives. So pick 6 and the Bus for Tom and a F3 works for me.

Meanwhile I am not wanting either Baker or English but I do like the idea of Busslinger coming home.

Buss in not ready for a lock down role yet so we would be hoping like hell Jamieson is ready to go at FB. I cannot see a world that Harry Edwards is going to make an AFL standard. Shocking closing speed and he just does not ready the ball in the air with an opponent at all well.

In terms of Oscar - it would take 2 first rounders with at least one of them being a top 8 pick and even then I will probably go out and give myself an uppercut and say NO. Anyone saying Oscar and Jake play the same role are watching the game very differently to me.

Meanwhile it is early days but I am seeing a great evenness to the middle to late first round this year. Not sure how but I would happily go in with a deal something like Crows R1 this year (expect pick 5) and their F1 (valued in at 10) for our R1 (likely to be 2) and our F3 (value at 40) so they can get Draper and Welsh. Then do a deal with Suns on the Crows F1 for their pick 9. Go to the draft with 6 (Moraes or Murphy or best mid at that range), 9 (Travaglia), 22 (Mraz), R4 while bringing in Buss and losing Tom. Head into 2025 with our own R1, R2 and Crows R2.

I am seeing the Purples holding 3 x R1 this year and all could end up in the low teens. There will be great quality to choose from at that range. Maybe Sydney might accept an offer for Logan and hence the Swans would be more interested in Barrass and have better currency than 18 and 19.
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Hang on..you were away?

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The dream off season imo
(Yes I’m aware these are unlikely outcomes, but it’s fun to dream)

Re-sign Yeo

Trade Barrass for Busslinger and the first rounder the Dogs get for Bailey Smith - I personally think he’ll go to Hawthorn so let’s say pick 7 for now

Trade our F1 + 23 for the Suns 8,10 and 26
NOTE: I think the Suns would definitely do this trade if it was our 2024 1st (2 or 3) instead of the F1, but it’s more fun to think they’d take the F1 lol.

Trade 26 + a future 2nd for Baker and a future 3rd.

Take 2 or 3, 7,8 and 10 to the draft

Would try and offer 2 or 3 + 10 to Sydney for Warner but don’t think he’ll move so we’ll leave that for now

Pick 2 or 3 - O’Sullivan or Draper
Pick 7 and 8 - I’d be happy with any two of Jagga, Moraes, Trainor or Hotton
Pick 10 - Travalgia or the best small like Kako or Berry
Match a bid on Champion post 20 (assuming the rules change)

Again, I know this is incredibly unlikely, but something along those lines would be incredible.
 
Players who should be gone at the end of the year imo at least, just the OOC players at least.
- Gaff: Thank you for your services to the club you legend but the game has gone past you as you don't have the pace needed for the fast contested ball movement style the club needs.
- H.Edwards: Depth for the team however he lacks pace and would have to go especially of Buss comes.
  • Trew: One of those players who's good at WAFL but not quiet good enough at AFL level. Lacks versatility as well. However, would be a great keep for the Beagles even if delisted.
  • J.Baker: WAFL standard player. Will need to show something more being in a somewhat more competitive Beagles team otherwise he's gone.
- L.Edwards: Just too slow at AFL level in terms of acceleration and decision making. With his lack of acceleration, it makes it harder to make composed decisions and would get killed on the spread against faster wingers.
- Rotham: On thin ice for me. I think he's best suited playing on mid sized opponents.

My thoughts on players if they should stay or leave.

With Barrass and Yeo, we do not want to do a Norf and get rid of experienced but still good performing players otherwise the club will lose significant leadership. Now past use by date experienced players like Gaff and Sheed we can afford to get rid of (thank you for your services though) since they add nothing on field to the club.

TB: Do not want to go unless we get overs. Only way he goes is if he really wants to go AND a contending team who believes he's the missing piece of their puzzle is willing to pay overs for him that we get a great draft hand which is very needed to get new young players with a higher ceiling in a rebuild otherwise if no good deals come up then we hold him to his contract.
You also got to consider his missus and kids who need a strong family support if he moves interstate that won't be a luxury over there unlike in Perth where his kids have a stronger family support. For me he's a much needed player for the club as he's an A grader with experience who can thrive if the team can get Busslinger.

Yeo: Do not want to go. He seems to have gotten his body right and if he doesn't get injured then he does deserve a new contract which is pretty modest, much less than what some other teams are offering. Also in the same boat as Barrass as having strong family support in Perth. Imo he would be worth much more than any draft pick we get since he can help support coach and mentor Harley, Ginbey, Hewitt and any future midfield draftee we draft.

Busslinger: Yes for me. Would be a perfect third tall defender playing alongside Gov and Barrass. As WCE_Phil said, he would need to gain more muscle and core strength to play on gorilla forwards which could be done with how much better the S&C team is now and seeing the results of Ginbey. Reads the play well and is a great kick down back which is what the club needs to help it's ball movement from the backline. Hopefully our second rounder gets it done otherwise potential PSD (hope Norf don't take him) or trade B.Williams and a third rounder ideally for me especially if Lobb leaves may get it done but expect a second rounder and Big Bailey to get it done. Now if he doesn't play his value surely has to come down to the point our second rounder is enough.

English: Do not want. Despite being a FA he would cost too much in terms of cap space which needs to be reserved for star players like Reid, Yeo and co. An upgrade on Big Bailey imo but not what the club needs. The club needs a good tap ruck to help our midfielders get first use which is crucial for our new contested ball gameplan and English is NOT a good tap ruck.

Baker: Yes for me. Would be a great pickup to help guide the younger players and is a solid player. He's no star but his experience will be crucial along with Yeo to help the younger players. He's pretty quick as well and is experienced so he can be a part of the team's fast contested ball gameplan. If we use our second rounder on Buss then we would have to trade a player for him. I think Petch and Big Bailey (if Buss's value goes down more due to not playing) may get the job done and they send us back their third rounder.

Warner: Do not want. As much of a superstar he is, he would cost way too much in terms of draft currency which the club really needs for it's rebuild. I have a feeling this maybe Tim Kelly 2.0 again should we do it but this time we WILL actually miss out on a gun in the draft since the club is bottoming out at this stage unlike with Kelly when the club was still contending. I would personally keep our 2024 and 2025 first rounders thanks. Only way we get him is via FA and that's still a long way away.


My potential trades.

Busslinger for WCE 2R.
Baker + 2R for Petch and B.Williams and F3 (wishful thinking though) OR Baker + F3 for Petch +3R

- If Flynn goes well and Barnett successfully develops plus Livingstone gets better. I think we can afford to let Bailey go as the team has enough key forwards and even Jamo can play in the ruck too.
 
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