List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

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  25

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  176cm

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  77kg

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  2.8

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  2.9

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  1.4

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  12.7

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  9.2

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  3.0

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  2.7

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  1.8

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  4.6

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[sregit]

I swap between yes and no. But would come with conditions like who else we have lined up. (Sheldrick, Garcia ect) also we get a decent picks for TB in a trade. 12* 27*. Would be very open to trading Flyin too and have 4 picks 30 or bundle up for Brissys pick.

I see it as the Rankine trade to the Crows for pick 5. Rankine was younger but also didn’t have the runs on the board like Bolton. If the Crows didn’t have Rankine they would be stuffed.

He’s perfect at the feet of Waterman, Allen and JWill and pinch hit in the middle ti let Reid go forward. Ideally we can bring in a Sheldrick though as well.

Bolton is a very good midfielder but as Richmond has had not one forward available Bolton has been put up front. He was our best onballer prior and is an absolute gun. Looks like we’ve lost him but all the talk has been FREO.

 

[Dylan82]

What if... Hawks chase Trac and offload their value for him and then come to us crying poor after Barrass has declared his intention to move?

Assume we pull a Geelong at that point and just retain him?

If Hawthorn aren't able to play ball, we negotiate with Bulldogs, Carlton and Sydney among others.

There are plenty of suitors for Barrass and the bidding war works in our favour.

 

[Bacchus]

Hopefully we pay some of TB’s salary to get an even sweeter deal.

They haven’t got much to trade and they’re not keen on trading what they do have.

Time to be tough and not pushovers.

 

[WCEswift]

Barrass is able to get us some seriously genuine good draft capital, he wont be in our next flag and he is 1 semi bad landing on his back from retirement... this is a no brainer

 

[Bacchus]

Barrass is able to get us some seriously genuine good draft capital, he wont be in our next flag and he is 1 semi bad landing on his back from retirement... this is a no brainer

Good draft capital as long as we don’t do our usual bend over trick and cave in to a weak deal.

 

[Keys]

I'm happy to see TB go but am scratching my head trying to figure out how we're going to hit the 95% salary cap minimum.

We're going to lose TB's contract and Gaff's (at leas $900k but it may have been back-ended and be up to $1.1M). That's probably around $1.5M at least freed up. Then we have the salary cap increase to factor in as well.

I think Kelly’s deal was quite heavily backended so his final year will be taking up a bit

Waterman and Allen both have contracts expiring 2025 which are likely to be renegotiated in the coming weeks/months. They can be front loaded

Ditto Hough’s contract to a lesser extent

Other contracts like Yeo and Duggan can also be front loaded

I can see us retiring Sheed and paying out his contract

But getting to 95% still looks a challenge especially with so many unproven youngsters on our list along with veterans past their prime

Hopefully we pay some of TB’s salary to get an even sweeter deal.

We could also do this

Might be helpful to Hawthorn if Battle takes up their offer

 

[Keys]

Bolton is a very good midfielder but as Richmond has had not one forward available Bolton has been put up front. He was our best onballer prior and is an absolute gun. Looks like we’ve lost him but all the talk has been FREO.

Bolton is a better fit at Fremantle than he is at West Coast. They also have a better group of draft picks to get a deal done

If he leaves Richmond, it’ll be to Fremantle

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I'm happy to see TB go but am scratching my head trying to figure out how we're going to hit the 95% salary cap minimum.

We're going to lose TB's contract and Gaff's (at leas $900k but it may have been back-ended and be up to $1.1M). That's probably around $1.5M at least freed up. Then we have the salary cap increase to factor in as well.

While we are terrible, it’s not like we don’t have players we want to keep long term.

Hough is working on an extension - front load the hell out of it. Throw more cash at Reid. Move some money around on Yeo’s newly minted deal (perhaps it was structured with the 2025 floor in mind). Waterman has a new deal to come. What’s Ginbey worth after another half a season off the HBF looking like a stud?

Push comes to shove, you make it really worth Hawthorn’s while and pay heaps of TB’s salary for the first year or two. Is that worth a chucked in pick or two?

The salary floor is far too high in general, I think teams (take North) with pure state league talent and some high level kids shouldn’t be forced to overpay their cannon fodder and should instead have an enormous amount of spare cash to chase FAs, but for our list as it is I really don’t think we’ll struggle to hit it.

Edit: Exactly what Keys already said, a master at work that man.

 

[Jumpoff Joey]

But getting to 95% still looks a challenge especially with so many unproven youngsters on our list along with veterans past their prime

So with English likely to now stay at the dogs, who is available via RFA/UFA next year?

I also think this is the best time to throw an extra 100k/200k at the Sheldrick types, and if we really want half a millie at Warner in 2025.

 

[Coasters7]

Would be more palatable if it was pick 7ish like it was a few weeks ago. Wont be happy with a straight swap for 12+.

Lose one of your best players and get a total lottery pick in the teens.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

So with English likely to now stay at the dogs, who is available via RFA/UFA next year?

I also think this is the best time to throw an extra 100k/200k at the Sheldrick types, and if we really want half a millie at Warner in 2025.

2025 RFA
Tom De Koning
Andrew Brayshaw
Luke Davies-Uniacke
Cam Rayner
James Worpel
Oscar Allen
Ed Richards
Charlie Ballard
Noah Balta

That’s according to Fox Footy, as of 31 July. Would love to get Ballard in the door somehow.

Footywire has a few more names added, but their contract stuff is hit and miss. I think they just apply the 8+ years of service criteria, not the top 25% of salary part. E.g Petch and Waterman (contract signed 2023 in a hospital bed) would be nowhere near our top 25% of earners.

AFL Out of Contract Players in 2025

List of AFL players coming out of contract at the end of 2025.

www.footywire.com

 

[mitchzz]

Sad to see him go but exciting to bring in another first round pick

Hope we can somehow snag Murphy Reid

 

[MKMatty]

On the Hawks board they’re talking about a mid teens pick and DGB back for Barrass??

 

[HoneyBadger35]

On the Hawks board they’re talking about a mid teens pick and DGB back for Barrass??

Contracted vice captain who was our second most recent B+F winner? Five year deal on the table in front of him?

Ultimately they’re doing us a favour, take him of our plate please Hawthorn, shouldn’t even really have to give up the pick in the first place.

Spare me.

 

[kane249]

On the Hawks board they’re talking about a mid teens pick and DGB back for Barrass??

They tried to offload DGB last year as part of the trade for pick 1

He has zero value and is likely to be delisted

 

[maverick001]

Anyway we can get trac without selling our draft hand?

Trac is really a leader we need to Sheppard the youth with training standards and such. He brings good culture.

Make it happen bigfooty.

How about

Oscar Allen/Jake Waterman + TB + Salary cap relief for Clayton

For

Trac?

This would have to be the dumbest trade suggestion in a long time.

 

[MKMatty]

Contracted vice captain who was our second most recent B+F winner? Five year deal on the table in front of him?

Ultimately they’re doing us a favour, take him of our plate please Hawthorn, shouldn’t even really have to give up the pick in the first place.

Spare me.

They tried to offload DGB last year as part of the trade for pick 1

He has zero value and is likely to be delisted

Thanks for the insight lads

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Thanks for the insight lads

Decided to have a quick peruse of their thread on the back of this tip, and found a gem about them being a very reasonable club who have never been too hard to deal with.

Must have dreamed them trying to get Pick 1 (that’s Harley Reid for those playing at home) involved in a deal for Tyler Brockman last year.

 

[Tugga27]

This would have to be the dumbest trade suggestion in a long time.

Unfortunately, the poster you're quoting has suggested even dumber ones than that.

 

[Tugga27]

Decided to have a quick peruse of their thread on the back of this tip, and found a gem about them being a very reasonable club who have never been too hard to deal with.

Must have dreamed them trying to get Pick 1 (that’s Harley Reid for those playing at home) involved in a deal for Tyler Brockman last year.

I can see Hawthorne inishing 6th, pushing the pick out even further.

Time for the club to play hard ball and tell TB, if he wants to go to Victoria, we'll be accepting the best off we can get.

If it's not Hawthorn, that's tough.

 

[kane249]

Unfortunately, the poster you're quoting has suggested even dumber ones than that.

Has a hard on for Oliver, despite his drug issues

 

[bzparkes]

Anyway we can get trac without selling our draft hand?

Trac is really a leader we need to Sheppard the youth with training standards and such. He brings good culture.

Make it happen bigfooty.

How about

Oscar Allen/Jake Waterman + Salary cap relief for Clayton

For

Trac?

Please make sure you're sober before posting.

 

[Tugga27]

Has a hard on for Oliver, despite his drug issues

Also has a hard on for Dev Robertson and wants to trade OA out.

 

[maverick001]

I can see Hawthorne inishing 6th, pushing the pick out even further.

Time for the club to play hard ball and tell TB, if he wants to go to Victoria, we'll be accepting the best off we can get.

If it's not Hawthorn, that's tough.

i can see Hawks getting to a prelim but a lot will depend on the draw

Ideally they'd get a Bris, Freo, GWS, away in first week of finals

 

[random260]

In my defence how could anyone have predicted Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

sober is unfit and skinny. In saying that a fit clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

would have served us well.

As for Oscar Allen

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Oscar Allen

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

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Last 5

D

9.8

2star

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6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

trade that was if we had to trade one of Oscar/Jake.

And as for Dev well before bringing it up like you owned me wait until he puts on the wce jumper first and plays.