List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Barrybran]

For Baker?? Hell no.

There was talk yesterday of Baker + 21 for 13. Swap 13 for the Hawks' first and we take that and run. 3, 13, 21, 23 before any other moves.

 

[Barrybran]

Is it too outside the realms of possibility that we tell Baker to get bent and instead move in on Shai Bolton?

Im not too sure why people want to rule us out of that race and pound one out over Baker..... Why not just do the opposite and pay a bit more for the younger and better player ? Just chuck more money at Bolton to make him happuer also. Lord knows no one else wants it at this point

It's way too early to be adding players like Bolton. Gotta make the cake before you can ice it.

 

[Keys]

We don't. I haven't heard the podcast but my understanding was that suggestion was speculation based on the news Freo had put pick 10 on the table. I would expect us to offer the Hawks' 2025 first if we get it.

What started the ruckus was Cal Twomey saying that Fremantle had offered pick 10 for Baker and we had tabled pick 13 (which we would get for Barrass plus Hawthorns F1 for our F2)

There was no elaboration on either offer in terms of what Richmond would be sending back by Twomey

Someone later suggested it might be Baker and 21 for pick 13 which seems more realistic and somewhat more palatable even though some are still unhappy about that (with some justification)

Overall we might be looking at Barrasss and our F2 for Baker, 21 and Hawthorns F1

As you’ve just posted we could send Hawthorns F1 to Richmond instead of 13. Leaves us with 3,13,21,23 in this draft but no F2 in next albeit with Baker on our list. That looks quite reasonable

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Is it too outside the realms of possibility that we tell Baker to get bent and instead move in on Shai Bolton?

Im not too sure why people want to rule us out of that race and pound one out over Baker..... Why not just do the opposite and pay a bit more for the younger and better player ? Just chuck more money at Bolton to make him happuer also. Lord knows no one else wants it at this point

What would you give up trade-wise?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

13 should not be involved in any Baker trade. Suggesting it will be is real 'we're not picking Harley' areas.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

What would you give up trade-wise?

Barrass + 23 for Bolton + 30 odd type deal ie. give Richmond all of what Hawthorn give us and then we do a pick 23 for pick 30 odd downgrade too.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

One aspect also to ask.

Is it not a 100% no brainer that we trade our F2nd for one of Gold Coasts draft picks this year? Gold Coast will want more points for next year and our F2nd is the juciest of all the carrots they can be offered basically

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Barrass + 23 for Bolton + 30 odd type deal ie. give Richmond all of what Hawthorn give us and then we do a pick 23 for pick 30 odd downgrade too.

Bolton’s contracted so Richmond wouldn’t have to take that.

 

[Barrybran]

One aspect also to ask.

Is it not a 100% no brainer that we trade our F2nd for one of Gold Coasts draft picks this year? Gold Coast will want more points for next year and our F2nd is the juciest of all the carrots they can be offered basically

I don't mind this idea. F2 for 20. We could also play hardball on Baker and offer the Hawks' first to the Suns for 12 instead.

 

[Obeanie1]

There was talk yesterday of Baker + 21 for 13. Swap 13 for the Hawks' first and we take that and run. 3, 13, 21, 23 before any other moves.

Hawks future 1st?

Then we watch the future 1st turn into a top 10 pick when they just miss finals.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Apparently Freo have tabled pick 10. Gee, I hate Freo when it comes to trades. They try to undercut us the whole time. They probably don't even want Baker, just trying to up our price like they did with the Kelly trade.

I'm not sure I even believe that, us putting up 13 and Dockers 10 for a 27 yo utility just sounds like victorian wishful thinking

 

[CountryLad]

I'm not sure I even believe that, us putting up 13 and Dockers 10 for a 27 yo utility just sounds like victorian wishful thinking

Guessing Twoomey is getting his information from the Tigers on this one. Cat and mouse stuff.

Pretty sure BOND 007 said earlier in the year that Baker was worth about an early second round pick. Why would the eagles pay any more than market value. It’s not like he’s an absolute need to win a flag and we are in the window. Pay market value or move on.

 

[Bacchus]

If we give up the Hawks' first for Baker the net trade likely winds up as something like Barrass for 13 + Baker (without giving up 23/F2). 3, 13, 23 + Baker with our entire 2025 hand intact wouldn't be the end of the world.

Which Hawks first are you talking about?

Not this years because that is #13 and you are still including that in what we have this year.
I assume you must be talking about next years but you are still talking about us having a F2 which we probably won’t have.

I don’t want to pay a first round pick, this years or next years under any circumstances - very inflated price for a B grade role player. I suppose the attraction of next year’s Hawthorn pick if we get it is that we don’t feel it now.
It would probably mean the end of any potential Warner trade next year.

 

[stallon]

Twomey didn't say we had 13 on the table for Baker, he said he expects us to as he believes Freo have 10 on the table(likely with the idea of something coming back with Baker)

He doesnt know what we have offered

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Guessing Twoomey is getting his information from the Tigers on this one. Cat and mouse stuff.

Pretty sure BOND 007 said earlier in the year that Baker was worth about an early second round pick. Why would the eagles pay any more than market value. It’s not like he’s an absolute need to win a flag and we are in the window. Pay market value or move on.

Exactly, I'd almost just be offering F2 and saying take it or leave it at this point with all the talk about this years draft compared to next years. If they don't want it fine, he can stay at Richmond another year and we will get him as a FA or freo can have him. Not sure why we need to let Richmond bully us into giving overs when they're already going to be showered with overs in all their other deals.

 

[ghostbat12]

Twomey didn't say we had 13 on the table for Baker, he said he expects us to as he believes Freo have 10 on the table(likely with the idea of something coming back with Baker)

He doesnt know what we have offered

Twomey also said it would be Richmond’s second comes back.

Same with freo, they will likely expect a 2nd back but 3 spots isn’t enough for Richmond to simply say no to WC I would have thought.

This way at least we keep the number of picks vs giving one up.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I was preparing a much longer post, which I have saved if I can be arsed going back and finishing it, but the gist of it is that to bring in quality, you have to give up quality (in terms of either players, draft picks, or both). And Baker is quality. This is how we brought in Kerr, Chick, Stenglein, Masten, Kennedy and Redden.

We tend to trade out of the pointy end of the draft when we feel the list is nearing completion, and we need a couple of players to come in and fill specific gaps. Chick, Stenglein and Redden fit this bill. Jetta too, with the straight swap for Sinclair when we had Nic Nat, Lycett and later Vardy and Petrie on the list too.

Chick was 27 when he played his first game for us. He cost us Pick 8 in the 2002 draft.

The big difference is that the state of our list now is in far worse shape than our 2002 side that made the finals and boasted a midfield of Judd, Cousins and Kerr, a backline featuring Glass and Hunter (17 games in defence in 2002), and Gardiner and Cox in the ruck. Our forward line was a weakness, but Lynch and Hansen were on the list, as were TROY WILSON and Phil Matera. It was a young and inexperienced side, but the pieces were in place and performing at a level worthy of the top 8. Embley, Fletcher and Braun were alll running around too.

The list management team should be sacked on the spot if they entertain the thought of trading out of the first round this year (and this includes trading the first rounder(s) we should get for Barrass). Or next year. Or downgrading Pick 3.

 

[Bacchus]

There was talk yesterday of Baker + 21 for 13. Swap 13 for the Hawks' first and we take that and run. 3, 13, 21, 23 before any other moves.

Are you under the misapprehension that we are getting/have #13 apart from receiving it for Barrass?

I honestly don’t get what you are talking about.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Are you under the misapprehension that we are getting/have #13 apart from receiving it for Barrass?

I honestly don’t get what you are talking about.

Think he’s assuming we’d get 13 and the Hawks future first for Barrass, and then sending the latter to Richmond for Baker and 21.

 

[Barrybran]

Think he’s assuming we’d get 13 and the Hawks future first for Barrass, and then sending the latter to Richmond for Baker and 21.

This

 

[Bacchus]

This

Thank you for clearing that up, it hasn’t been clear to me that is what you are talking about in your earlier posts.

I don’t think I would be any happier trading a future first for Baker than I would be trading a current year first for him.

 

[Barrybran]

Thank you for clearing that up, it hasn’t been clear to me that is what you are talking about in your earlier posts.

I don’t think I would be any happier trading a future first for Baker than I would be trading a current year first for him.

I'd rather trade our 2025 second rounder and call it a day however if Richmond wants a first for him, I see trading the Hawks' 2025 first as a path of least resistance provided we're adding picks in this year's draft and preserving our 2025 first.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Bolton’s contracted so Richmond wouldn’t have to take that.

Really not sure why this is such a immense focus for people. They dont have to take whatever we offer for Baker too. Same situation really.

If we are talking pick 13 for Baker then id rather we go say pick 13 + 23 + 30 for Bolton and simply go harder for the actually good player

 

[KERRPOW]

They've not signed him because they've ****ed up their cap, as all the other smalls have contracts, not because they want to let him go.

Carltons list management definetly fooked up here.

Imagine having to let go owies whilst orazio fantiasia who can never reliably get on the park is still contracted.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Really not sure why this is such a immense focus for people. They dont have to take whatever we offer for Baker too. Same situation really.

If we are talking pick 13 for Baker then id rather we go say pick 13 + 23 + 30 for Bolton and simply go harder for the actually good player

Baker’s uncontracted, Bolton’s contracted. So it’s not the same situation.