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Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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stallon said:
Its all well and good to say just take best available, but we have been drafting for a few years now. We have some young players that we can be reasonably confident we can find something for every part of the ground except half back, wings, another mid or 2 and another KPD.

We can trade in cheap mids, we cant trade in the other roles this year, the players just arent available.
We would have a functioning lineup that can cover every role on the field if we split 3 in such a way that we guarantee Travaglia.
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Would it I be worth getting in Freo's ear about trading 13 + 23 for 9 + 27?
 
AFL has been transitioning (no pun intended) to a fast-paced rebound-style basketball lately. Having a half-back/quarterback that can penetrate by foot and take the game on is a necessity.

These are the Top 5 teams this year.

Sydney -Blakey/Matt Roberts
Port - Houston/Burgoyne
Geelong - Humphries/Max Holmes/Tom Stewart
GWS - Whitfield
Brisbane - Zorko/ K.Coleman(2023)

All those teams have have a damaging attacking half back that can quickly transition the ball to offence.

We sorely lack that type of player.... and until we get one, we will be nowhere near improving.
I really believe Ryan Maric can grow into that role if required - only because hes our best field kick on the team - but hes very valuable further up the ground as a winger/High half forward.
We tried Jamaine Jones in that role last year, and it was a disaster.

It's possible we are going to Liam Baker to play that role - but I really hope we can draft someone to grow into it.
 
Barrybran said:
Would it I be worth getting in Freo's ear about trading 13 + 23 for 9 + 27?
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If they werent using 9 for Bolton, but idk if Travaglia is even there at 9. If it secured someone else we wanted id do it still though, ideally on draft night
 

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DRK_13 said:
AFL has been transitioning (no pun intended) to a fast-paced rebound-style basketball lately. Having a half-back/quarterback that can penetrate by foot and take the game on is a necessity.

These are the Top 5 teams this year.

Sydney -Blakey/Matt Roberts
Port - Houston/Burgoyne
Geelong - Humphries/Max Holmes/Tom Stewart
GWS - Whitfield
Brisbane - Zorko/ K.Coleman(2023)

All those teams have have a damaging attacking half back that can quickly transition the ball to offence.
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:100:we should be trying to get to a position where we dont get thrashed in the middle then shoring up our backline and ability to rebound. Its so important these days
DRK_13 said:
We sorely lack that type of player.... and until we get one, we will be nowhere near improving.
I really believe Ryan Maric can grow into that role if required - only because hes our best field kick on the team - but hes very valuable further up the ground as a winger/High half forward.
We tried Jamaine Jones in that role last year, and it was a disaster.

It's possible we are going to Liam Baker to play that role - but I really hope we can draft someone to grow into it.
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Id rather keep Duggan at half back as a distributor than put Baker there tbh.

Chase Travaglia, put Maric back there, and we are sorted for rebounders
 
DRK_13 said:
AFL has been transitioning (no pun intended) to a fast-paced rebound-style basketball lately. Having a half-back/quarterback that can penetrate by foot and take the game on is a necessity.

These are the Top 5 teams this year.

Sydney -Blakey/Matt Roberts
Port - Houston/Farrell/Burgoyne
Geelong - Humphries/Max Holmes/Tom Stewart
GWS - Whitfield/Ash
Brisbane - Zorko/ K.Coleman(2023)

All those teams have have a damaging attacking half back that can quickly transition the ball to offence.

We sorely lack that type of player.... and until we get one, we will be nowhere near improving.
I really believe Ryan Maric can grow into that role if required - only because hes our best field kick on the team - but hes very valuable further up the ground as a winger/High half forward.
We tried Jamaine Jones in that role last year, and it was a disaster.

It's possible we are going to Liam Baker to play that role - but I really hope we can draft someone to grow into it.
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To further emphasise your point. Most of these teams have 2 of these players.
Huge area of need for us, such a shame we missed out on N Martin.
 
stallon said:
If they werent using 9 for Bolton, but idk if Travaglia is even there at 9. If it secured someone else we wanted id do it still though, ideally on draft night
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We shouldn't be concerned with Freo using 9 for Bolton. That is Richmond's problem. Where do you think Travaglia goes?
 
If we can turn Darling into 58, then into Dev or Garcia.

Bring in Parfitt for free.
I think the need or rather the clubs desire for Baker is diminished.

I'd seriously look at splitting 3, either with Tigers or Gold Coast for 6 and 20 or 21.
Whilst I'd love Draper, getting an additional pick in the 20 range could be really valuable.
6 will still net a top tier player, and I think Lalor likely to be there. If he's not, someone else has slid through or could take TT here.
6, 13, 21, 23 would set us up.

If we could target realistic positions of need in those spots, would be great:

  • Talented mid (obviously with earliest pick)
  • KPD, Tauru, O'Farrell or M.Whitlock
  • Half back, Oliver, Allan
  • Then just a best available, Moraes, Hynes etc.
 
Barrybran said:
We shouldn't be concerned with Freo using 9 for Bolton. That is Richmond's problem. Where do you think Travaglia goes?
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If the Saints get pick 8 as Battle compo they might take him, hes a very StKilda sort of player imo. Outside that I dont know exactly but he'd be in that area.

Its basically only mids ahead of him so if a club didnt want a mid or a tall he would be the #1 target, its hard to predict who
 
stallon said:
If the Saints get pick 8 as Battle compo they might take him, hes a very StKilda sort of player imo. Outside that I dont know exactly but he'd be in that area.

Its basically only mids ahead of him so if a club didnt want a mid or a tall he would be the #1 target, its hard to predict who
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So effectively we want pick 6 with pick 3 or we don't want Travaglia?
 
stallon said:
:100:we should be trying to get to a position where we dont get thrashed in the middle then shoring up our backline and ability to rebound. Its so important these days

Id rather keep Duggan at half back as a distributor than put Baker there tbh.
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That would be great -except Duggan has the same ability to hit a target as a drunk middle-manager hitting on interns at a work Christmas party.
 

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Barrybran said:
So effectively we want pick 6 with pick 3 or we don't want Travaglia?
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If we split 3 for 6 or 7 + something im feeling Travaglia is a good option for us, providing we can trade in a couple of those early 20s mids that we are looking at.
If we cant trade in a mid id just take a mid with our 1st pick, but we should be able to get something here.
 
Every team needs at least two elite midfielders, once Yeo and Kelly are gone, we have Reid and that's it. We can't gamble on Hewitt, Erasmus or Dev or Peatling or Garcia filling that gap, we need an elite mid. The only reason I would downgrade is if we know with 100 per cent certainty Warner is coming next year, giving us two elite mids. Then, if Hewitt comes on, it's a bonus.
 
JackOutback said:
Every team needs at least two elite midfielders, once Yeo and Kelly are gone, we have Reid and that's it. We can't gamble on Hewitt, Erasmus or Dev or Peatling or Garcia filling that gap, we need an elite mid. The only reason I would downgrade is if we know with 100 per cent certainty Warner is coming next year, giving us two elite mids. Then, if Hewitt comes on, it's a bonus.
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Geelong have 0 elite midfielders.

If we cant get Warner next year we still have a likely top 4 pick to spend on a mid. I wouldnt be too concerned there

The actual thing a team needs is rebounders and creators from half back, the top 7 on the ladder have A-graders at doing this. We dont even have C-graders
 
eaglevision said:
If Port are prepared to accept Carlton’s pick 11 (which they are refusing to trade) for Houston and North Melbourne are prepared to pay their F1 for Houston I would consider putting pick 13 on the table if Port would accept it.

WCE OUT: 13, IN: F1 (NM)
NM OUT: F1, IN: Houston
PORT OUT: Houston, IN: 13

If we’re confident TT or Lindsay is there with 13 I’d rather take that, but the NM F1 will almost certainly get us a very good midfielder next year.
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We would have to throw the Hawks F1 in there you are talking about a top 5 pick more than likely. Nth will improve but not from 3 wins to 11-12 wins which would move the pick out of the top 5. Two top 5 2025 picks solves a lot of issues in the future. Next yrs top 5 will be just as good as this and we have time on our side if the club stays patient and goes the rebuild route. It would mean that by the end of 2025 we will have taken 4 top 5 picks to the draft. There’s your core group moving into the next decade.

We could possibly sweeten the deal by grabbing pick 40 for Darling.

WCE out: 13 & Hawks f1, IN : F1 Nth. (Barrass out for a 2025 top 5 pick)
NTH OUT: F1, IN Houston & Hawks F1
Port Out: Houston, IN: 13
 
stallon said:
If we split 3 for 6 or 7 + something im feeling Travaglia is a good option for us, providing we can trade in a couple of those early 20s mids that we are looking at.
If we cant trade in a mid id just take a mid with our 1st pick, but we should be able to get something here.
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Fair enough. I think a mid should be our #1 priority with pick 3 so I see things as an elite mid prospect plus Travaglia rather than an elite mid prospect or Travaglia. We should absolutely play the Moneyball game to fill out the bottom of the best 23 and add WAFL depth but I don't think we should be relying on that as our midfield building strategy.
 
JackOutback said:
Every team needs at least two elite midfielders, once Yeo and Kelly are gone, we have Reid and that's it. We can't gamble on Hewitt, Erasmus or Dev or Peatling or Garcia filling that gap, we need an elite mid. The only reason I would downgrade is if we know with 100 per cent certainty Warner is coming next year, giving us two elite mids. Then, if Hewitt comes on, it's a bonus.
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We could afford to split 3 for 6 + something but that's as low as I think we could go
 
stallon said:
Geelong have 0 elite midfielders.

If we cant get Warner next year we still have a likely top 4 pick to spend on a mid. I wouldnt be too concerned there

The actual thing a team needs is rebounders and creators from half back, the top 7 on the ladder have A-graders at doing this. We dont even have C-graders
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You’re getting way too caught up on fixing one position on the ground (with one specific player, who has a net total of 0 AFL games to his name).

I don’t disagree regarding our rebound out of defence being a glaring weakness, but we looked slightly better with Ginbey there (instead of as a mid), Maric I thought looked good back the little he played there and it is probably a little last-roll-of-the-dice move for Chesser in 2025 also.

I mean the easy short term fix would be keep TB, play TB + Edwards and Gov can be the elite interceptor plus distributor. Of course that is as short term fix to a long term problem - just like prioritising the 7-10th best player in the draft over the 3rd or 4th because he plays HBF…

Let’s not overthink it. Take the quality mid, balance our draft and list with other picks and trades/FA’s and we will find our backline distributors with time (and they may well be on our list already)


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CountryLad said:
We would have to throw the Hawks F1 in there you are talking about a top 5 pick more than likely. Nth will improve but not from 3 wins to 11-12 wins which would move the pick out of the top 5. Two top 5 2025 picks solves a lot of issues in the future. Next yrs top 5 will be just as good as this and we have time on our side if the club stays patient and goes the rebuild route. It would mean that by the end of 2025 we will have taken 4 top 5 picks to the draft. There’s your core group moving into the next decade.

We could possibly sweeten the deal by grabbing pick 40 for Darling.

WCE out: 13 & Hawks f1, IN : F1 Nth. (Barrass out for a 2025 top 5 pick)
NTH OUT: F1, IN Houston & Hawks F1
Port Out: Houston, IN: 13
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Twomey was reporting that Norf are prepared to swap their F1 for Houston with Port. I agree with you it seems massive overs from Norf and Port would be crazy not to take that deal. Blues aren’t prepared to pay pick 11 so if the report is accurate we could jump in and grab Norf’s F1. The top end of next year’s draft certainly projects a lot stronger than this year.

If it’s inaccurate and we needed to add the Hawks F1 then I’d rather take 13 and Hawks F1 to the draft(s), assuming that’s the deal with the Hawks for TB and our F2 which isn’t a given.
 
shooshka said:
You’re getting way too caught up on fixing one position on the ground (with one specific player, who has a net total of 0 AFL games to his name).

I don’t disagree regarding our rebound out of defence being a glaring weakness, but we looked slightly better with Ginbey there (instead of as a mid), Maric I thought looked good back the little he played there and it is probably a little last-roll-of-the-dice move for Chesser in 2025 also.

I mean the easy short term fix would be keep TB, play TB + Edwards and Gov can be the elite interceptor plus distributor. Of course that is as short term fix to a long term problem - just like prioritising the 7-10th best player in the draft over the 3rd or 4th because he plays HBF…

Let’s not overthink it. Take the quality mid, balance our draft and list with other picks and trades/FA’s and we will find our backline distributors with time (and they may well be on our list already)


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I can kind of see where stallon is coming from. Whitfield and Houston made a huge difference to their sides. The Suns are prepared to pay overs for Rioli. Even Daicos and Sheezel look more damaging off half back than in the midfield.
 
eaglevision said:
Twomey was reporting that Norf are prepared to swap their F1 for Houston with Port. I agree with you it seems massive overs from Norf and Port would be crazy not to take that deal. Blues aren’t prepared to pay pick 11 so if the report is accurate we could jump in and grab Norf’s F1. The top end of next year’s draft certainly projects a lot stronger than this year.

If it’s inaccurate and we needed to add the Hawks F1 then I’d rather take 13 and Hawks F1 to the draft(s), assuming that’s the deal with the Hawks for TB and our F2 which isn’t a given.
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You’re missing my point, why would Nth swap pick 13 for top 5 pick next year. They will be able to get better deals for that pick, people are over rating this draft if that’s what they think is the price you have to pay to get into the first round this year.
 
Barrybran said:
Fair enough. I think a mid should be our #1 priority with pick 3 so I see things as an elite mid prospect plus Travaglia rather than an elite mid prospect or Travaglia. We should absolutely play the Moneyball game to fill out the bottom of the best 23 and add WAFL depth but I don't think we should be relying on that as our midfield building strategy.
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Im not saying necessarily to build our midfield with moneyball options necessarily, I just consider our half back line to be more urgent of a need to fix when there are moneyball options for the midfield available.
We can make a somewhat competent midfield with guys like Parfitt/Dev/Erasmus or whoever playing in there instead of Ginbey/Duggan/Trew/Petch.
Then in 2025 we get Warner or an elite mid with our 1st pick.
We can decide who we want to pair with Reid + Hewett + our 2025 pick when the time comes, theyve got a year long audition to prove themself

We have nothing in our backline, we had to play Chesser back there at the end of this year. We are looking at having to keep Witherden because he would be the only non tall defender on the list in the WAFL.
Theres no moneyball half backs going around this year.

FB Hough HEdwards Duggan
HB Maric Gov Ginbey
-Cole bench
Bazzo and Witherden are the only 2 other defenders even with putting Duggan and Maric into full time defender roles.

Im thinking about it from the perspective of having a new coach too, we would hardly be setting them up for success when we arent giving them much of a backline
 
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