List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Avalor]

Richmond have had a chat with Jai Culley apparently. Wait and see there.

 

[ghostbat12]

There’s just so many moving parts here with players, salary contribution etc but what would you consider a reasonable salary contribution for 13 + F1?

We cannot afford to be salary cap trapped because clubs like hawks will come for Reid. Merely $350k will allow barrass money to be $350k front loaded or another player.

We need to create as much dilemmas as possible for other clubs unless it’s a clear high draft pick that would hurt. None of this sliding of picks business.

 

[stallon]

What would crows have to give to ask us to slide back from 3 to 4 on draft night?

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probably **** all. Id take a 3rd rounder if that was our best offer to slide back.
Id we want a mid then having pick 3 or 4 doesnt really make much difference

 

[stallon]

Richmond have had a chat with Jai Culley apparently. Wait and see there.

straight swap for Baker

 

[ghostbat12]

What would crows have to give to ask us to slide back from 3 to 4 on draft night?

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If it’s an obvious south Australian that’s still on the table and we are on the clock, start with a first round pick. We give back our future second.

Especially if they rate Draper as no1 and they well could.

 

[eaglevision]

What would crows have to give to ask us to slide back from 3 to 4 on draft night?

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Pick 11 to pick 10 cost Essendon pick 30 odd. With that as a precedent I’d ask for pick 42 and an exchange of their F2 for our F3.

 

[eaglevision]

$350K

P.a. Or just 2025?

 

[Keys]

straight swap for Baker

Culley was a No.1 draft pick after all

 

[ArdentEagle]

P.a. Or just 2025?

I'd be happy with something like.
Yr 1 - 350k
Yr 2 - 200k
Yr 3 - 100k

13+F1 cost.

 

[stallon]

I do agree in general about the need for a HBF linebreaker and definitely see where you're coming from, I wouldn't be overly against going that way.

I suppose how I see it is less about needs for another elite mid vs elite HBF and more about maximising value. Increasingly more and more of the top line mids are coming from top line spots in the draft (don't want to restart that old debate of 'you need top 10 picks for elite mids' as surprises can be found but I don't back WC relying on pulling those out from less certain prospects with our track record and the Beagles development or lack of).

HBFs however often come out of nowhere and from surprise previous roles (Sheppard, Wellingham, Jetta all initially mid-fwds etc). Houston was a rookie pick as a third tall fwd, Zorko transitioned back there this year to fill a hole, Tom Stewart was plucked as a mature ager, Nick Blakey who was picked early was more consistently a forward in his draft year. Others of course are drafted for that spot and excel at that spot like Hurn.

More just saying with those unknowns on our list as you say we may actually have some A-graders ready to break out, in my opinion it's more likely though that we're surprised by someone excelling at half-back randomly rather than mid randomly. Chesser/Ginbey might settle into it as their #1 position, Maric could be elite back there, who knows. I personally don't see anyone else besides Reid/Hewett stepping up to be a truly elite mid with who we've got on the list.

With that in mind and with the 2025 R1 possibly spent on Warner I'd be leaning toward as sure a thing as possible with a Draper/Smith type at 3. If everything goes perfect and we have Reid, Hewett, 2024 R1 and Warner all hitting their potential so be it I reckon, let them all rotate fwd and give everyone headaches. Or, if Hewett comes back at full fitness this year and dispels any worries and Draper or whoever is looking like a gun we could manufacture what you're saying in 2025 with that R1 pick.

Would still be keen on drafting a specialist, high potential HBF for sure, just reckon it can be done later or come surprisingly from attempts to fill other positions. That being said wouldn't be against trading 3 if we were offered absolute overs (again just keen to maximise value) but with the evenness of the first round I doubt other clubs will offer overs, in which case would be in the JTP3 camp.

I guess I dont value the midfield as much as a lot of other people. I think its more than fine to have 2-3 A graders and a bunch of role players/dedensive mids while trying to contend. There will be free agents and other good players that will present as we mopve up the ladder. Maybe im counting Reid as worth more than 1 normal A-grade mid

I do think that the half back line is just more important to fix, and get it right. If we end up with a couple of extra outside players because we target them so much then thats fine. The way the game seems to be played lately is far more transition/outside based than relying on the inside mids.

Good teams need an elite backline.
If we lined up with Travaglia, Tauru, Hough, Ginbey, Gov, HEdwards, and Duggan in 2026 that would be an elite backline. Gov replacement could be Maric or Bazzo or whoever

We will get another potential A-grade mid next year anyway

 

[eaglevision]

I'd be happy with something like.
Yr 1 - 350k
Yr 2 - 200k
Yr 3 - 100k

13+F1 cost.

We’d be better off paying the 2025 contract balance ($700kish) then leave our 2026/2027 alone.

 

[ArdentEagle]

The real Joker in the pack is Jack Hutchinson. He could be the mid we badly need.
Only one game in that role but man it was a cracker.

 

[Peptide Pig]

We’d be better off paying the 2025 contract balance ($700kish) then leave our 2026/2027 alone.

I’d be happy to pay the next two years and then save our $$$ for Harley’s new contract (fingers crossed)

 

[Peptide Pig]

I lost the quotes but saw posters debating why North would trade their F1 (likely top 6 pick) for pick 13 once we get it from Hawks.

This idea has stemmed from an article that was trying to facilitate Houston to North. Port apparently want a R1 this year but North’s pick 2 is way overs. So either they try and split which seems difficult this year or they trade their F1 back into R1 this year.

Then the link was made that IF Freo miss out on Bolton and Baker, they could trade either pick 9 or 10 for North’s F1 and bank a top 6 pick to use on Warner next year.

Posters (myself included) then wondered if we could use pick 13 (+ something) to nab North’s F1 instead of Freo. Alternatively we could split 3 + 23 for 6 + 9 once Richmond have landed those picks and then trade 9 for North’s F1.

Yes North’s pick next year will likely be better than 9 or certainly 13, but this years draft is highly rated and North will back themselves to improve, especially if they finally land some decent trade targets.

Teams are also in a hurry to rebuild so there is a tax applied to pushing a pick into next year as it means another year of waiting to get a top draftee in to the club and see some improvement. If anything teams want to trade future picks into this draft to ‘fast track’ development.

It seems Travaglia is the latest prospect posters are swooning over (move over Sid). I can understand the keenness for an attacking half back but I agree with some other replies that we desperately need to address the midfield first.

Having said that maybe the best of both worlds is splitting pick 3. Again, it sounds like it may be tough to find someone willing, but if we could turn 3 + 23 (or maybe 19/20 if we get a PP) into 6 + 9 or 7 + 8 then we could hopefully land the best remaining mid followed by TT.

All depending on how realistic the Warner chase is this year or next.

Also happy to grab a couple of guys like Dev/Garcia etc and hope at least one turns into a reliable midfield workhorse who can do some heavy lifting and take the heat off our young guns.

 

[mat11]

For all the Travaglia and Tauru lovers out their....

Trade 3 to Adelaide for 4 and 25.
Trade barass + f3 for Hawks 13 + f1.
Trade 13 and 25 to Essendon for pick 8.
Trade Hawks f1 to GC for pick 12.
Trade Darling to North for 58.

4 - O'Sullivan
8 - Travaglia
12 - Lindsay or Tauru
23 ....
58 ....
59 ....

 

[WA footy mad]

Really happy waterman signed on but really hasn't the club learnt long term contracts they just don't work. We will be online sooty and moaning about Jakes contract in 2 years. But at least if another club wants him they will have to pay dearly.

 

[eaglevision]

It seems Travaglia is the latest prospect posters are swooning over (move over Sid).

Been on him since March before he was even in the academy squad! No bandwagons here.

 

[THE A5]

Really happy waterman signed on but really hasn't the club learnt long term contracts they just don't work. We will be online sooty and moaning about Jakes contract in 2 years. But at least if another club wants him they will have to pay dearly.

It’s front loaded and we have have to fill our cap. Both parties will be fine. Plus we not only need to draft quality seniors in their mid to late 20’s we also need to retain the couple we have.

 

[Cuzz09]

Jakes ready to go full Gehrig the next 3-4 years with better delivery.

Worth every cent.

Coleman medals, finals tilts aplenty.

HERE.WE.GO

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[TerryFilk]

For all the Travaglia and Tauru lovers out their....

Trade 3 to Adelaide for 4 and 25.
Trade barass + f3 for Hawks 13 + f1.
Trade 13 and 25 to Essendon for pick 8.
Trade Hawks f1 to GC for pick 12.
Trade Darling to North for 58.

4 - O'Sullivan
8 - Travaglia
12 - Lindsay or Tauru
23 ....
58 ....
59 ....

Essendon aren’t trading down, at 8 they should be safe from a Kako bid, at 13, they likely won’t be.

 

[mat11]

Essendon aren’t trading down, at 8 they should be safe from a Kako bid, at 13, they likely won’t be.

Why use 8 on kako when you can take 13 and use junk picks on him?

 

[stallon]

Why use 8 on kako when you can take 13 and use junk picks on him?

they wont have to, they can use their pick 8 on whoever then take kako with shit picks after. Kako isnt going top 10

 

[Bender_]

The real Joker in the pack is Jack Hutchinson.

 

[mat11]

they wont have to, they can use their pick 8 on whoever then take kako with shit picks after. Kako isnt going top 10

Yeah I guess so, but they do only have one other pick in 28 left unless they go on a trading frenzy to generate other picks

 

[eaglevision]

Yeah I guess so, but they do only have one other pick in 28 left unless they go on a trading frenzy to generate other picks

They can pretty much use Rotham alone to get the picks they need.