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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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Every year without fail.

Day 1 of Free Agency/Trade Period - i should shut my bigfooty account down until this period is over, it will just be endless speculation and worry over something i have no control of. Will best for my mental health, relationships. work etc.,

Final Day of Free Agency/Trade Period - shit, i've posted 1,000 times in the last two weeks, most of it pointless and wrong. My mental health is shot, my wife is giving me death stares, my kids don't recognise me, and i'm in line at centerlink.

Good times.
 
Notmuchofanexpert said:
Sorry, a bit late to the party.

I am in the middle on Clarke’s two presser performances. Certainly didn’t sell us up the river, but in no way portrayed the hard line some wanted. I am sure the influence of these interviews on actual trade discussions is negligible at best anyhow.

I think you can clearly see from the reactions today that Clarke is going to suffer from years of built up angst towards WC perceived ‘soft’ approach to trade week.

Judge him on his trades. In saying that..

As petty as it is, I will say Darling for 67 is pretty flattening. Like I see how either 61 or 67 would likely get consumed in the Champion bid, so it is much of a muchness. But I don’t see why just because North’s picks dropped in value that darlings value dropped as well? What was 67 before the compos, 64? Obviously a small difference, but even that pick is still unders for a guy that’ll compete in the air and can kick 30 for a team that actually delivers it to him.

I just feel like we could have told North 61 is the price. How can anyone argue 61 alone is not reasonable? Not mad, just disappointed.
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That said 67 will come in a bit as some spots get chewed up in points matching.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
He’s 26. I’m not a fan of the rumored price but if everyone could stop acting like he’s never kicked a footy before either that would be great.

We are better with him in the team, thats not up for debate. Debate the cost, or if we’d be better using that pick on a kid, but let’s not pretend he isn’t instantly in our top ten players.
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You can't separate out the cost from the discussion, otherwise we would be giving up our first round selection every year for a mature player. This is a crazy trade and makes no sense. Half of our best players were taken in the teens via draft. Baker has been a role player and will only produce good football for another 2-3 years. Nobody in wa wants this trade. This is all for richmond.
 

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Will setterfield as a DFA (if he gets delisted)

Straight swap for rotham?
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
He’s 26. I’m not a fan of the rumored price but if everyone could stop acting like he’s never kicked a footy before either that would be great.

We are better with him in the team, thats not up for debate. Debate the cost, or if we’d be better using that pick on a kid, but let’s not pretend he isn’t instantly in our top ten players.
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Minor point... he's 27 at the start of the year.
 
BartBart said:
That said 67 will come in a bit as some spots get chewed up in points matching.
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May never happen, but still a chance we miss out on a player we want late if Champion slips through as a category B rookie.
And imagine if Norf take that player at 61.
As someone else said, consecutive late picks could have been handy.
 
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footy_basis said:
You can't separate out the cost from the discussion, otherwise we would be giving up our first round selection every year for a mature player. This is a crazy trade and makes no sense. Half of our best players were taken in the teens via draft. Baker has been a role player and will only produce good football for another 2-3 years. Nobody in wa wants this trade. This is all for richmond.
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You can’t seperate the cost from the trade discussion.

You can seperate the cost from an assessment of what he produces. Whether we get him for pick 1 or pick 100, his talent is the same. How happy we are that we spent x to get that talent is different, but he’s specifically as good as he is whether he goes Pick 1 or PSD.

I think we’re paying too much for him. I also think he’s an asset to our list who will make our B22 better. He’s 26. He doesn’t only have two years left in him, this is being comically alarmist.

I’d rather we didn’t spend Pick 14 on him. Can’t make that clearer. But to act like he’s never even kicked a footy before makes an already exhausting argument even more ridiculous.

Isn’t there some press conference frames we could be combing through instead, bloody hell.

I used to wonder how Trade Radio squeezed ten hours of inane chat over a period of weeks and seemingly still got listeners.
 
Happy Mastenator said:
Every year without fail.

Day 1 of Free Agency/Trade Period - i should shut my bigfooty account down until this period is over, it will just be endless speculation and worry over something i have no control of. Will best for my mental health, relationships. work etc.,

Final Day of Free Agency/Trade Period - shit, i've posted 1,000 times in the last two weeks, most of it pointless and wrong. My mental health is shot, my wife is giving me death stares, my kids don't recognise me, and i'm in line at centerlink.

Good times.
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But then the news starts to filter through that we've shipped the Darling pick off for Baker, spilt 3 for 4, 5 and 6 and Chad Warner comes across for a future 2nd:

 
Wooshaaaa said:
It's gonna happen.

This is how.

3 for 6 10 is overs.

14 for baker is overs.

So

3 14 for 6 10 baker.

If we just give 14 for baker and 21 then the

Choice is.
6 10 23 baker

Or

3 21 23 baker

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GWS has pick 21 its pick 24 but yes other than that that’s probably how it’s going to look.

Travaglia, Lindsay, Moraes, Baker

OR

FOS, Oliver, Moraes, Baker
 
Happy Mastenator said:
Every year without fail.

Day 1 of Free Agency/Trade Period - i should shut my bigfooty account down until this period is over, it will just be endless speculation and worry over something i have no control of. Will best for my mental health, relationships. work etc.,

Final Day of Free Agency/Trade Period - shit, i've posted 1,000 times in the last two weeks, most of it pointless and wrong. My mental health is shot, my wife is giving me death stares, my kids don't recognise me, and i'm in line at centerlink.

Good times.
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Kudos on bouncing back every year.
 
HoneyBadger35 said:
You can’t seperate the cost from the trade discussion.

You can seperate the cost from an assessment of what he produces. Whether we get him for pick 1 or pick 100, his talent is the same. How happy we are that we spent x to get that talent is different, but he’s specifically as good as he is whether he goes Pick 1 or PSD.

I think we’re paying too much for him. I also think he’s an asset to our list who will make our B22 better. He’s 26. He doesn’t only have two years left in him, this is being comically alarmist.

I’d rather we didn’t spend Pick 14 on him. Can’t make that clearer. But to act like he’s never even kicked a footy before makes an already exhausting argument even more ridiculous.

Isn’t there some press conference frames we could be combing through instead, bloody hell.

I used to wonder how Trade Radio squeezed ten hours of inane chat over a period of weeks and seemingly still got listeners.
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If you're exhausted from day 1, then get out of the kitchen. Maybe this discussion is too much for you.
 

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VicBased said:
Everyone on here saying recruiting Baker, Graham etc should only be done if we are contending, are neglecting to give us a plan on how exactly WC will get to the contending part of the discussion WITHOUT said players.
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I don’t think many are saying that

They are saying we shouldn’t be giving up picks in the low teens when we’re not contending
 
plays tall 1 said:
Absolute rubbish. Many (most?) of us have been really impressed with the changes Pyke has made. But for Clarke to make the concessions he did today was naive from a negotiation perspective and unhelpful. I mean he basically humiliated a journo for asking whether Barrass is worth 2 first round picks, yet the picks are likely to be very late first round picks made even worse by academy and father/son selections (and that should be at least our opening position in a negotiation).
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Of course, many (most?) of the posting on this board for the past few weeks has been perfectly balanced and reasonable. 👍
 
DeckedOut20 said:
For anyone interested:


Harley Reid opens up on journey from shy country kid to footy star​

He’s gone from a kid living simply in country Victoria to the “big smoke” of Perth and now Harley Reid has shared details of his incredible first year in the AFL, admitting he wouldn’t wish some of the attention on anyone.

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Young footy superstar Harley Reid speaks about life growing up on a Victorian farm and his love of racing ahead of the Caulfield Cup.

Harley Reid had a quintessential country childhood. He milked cows, kicked a footy over hay bales, bonded with cattle dogs, did a spot of camping, some tractor work and went fishing — that was life in Tongala.

Now with a population up around 3000 people, the dairy-farming Goulburn Valley town between Kyabram and Echuca still puts a smile on his face.

“Mostly I grew up on my uncle and aunty’s farm in Kyabram, you’re running around in each different paddock and I had a great relationship with all the animals along the way,’’ Reid says while enjoying some time back on the property.

“There was always a footy in my hand, kicking it around and whatnot. We used to have a paddock with goalposts where we would do most of our footy training. There’s a dam on the farm where we’d head down for a fish and get the kneeboard in there and drive around in the four wheeler and soak up the time and enjoy country life on the paddock.”

Harley Reid on his uncle’s farm in Kyabram with farm dog Macy. Picture: Mark Stewart

Harley Reid on his uncle’s farm in Kyabram with farm dog Macy. Picture: Mark Stewart

Reid is now 19 but the memories of life back on the farm are still vivid.

He grew up with parents Mark and Vanessa and two sisters Hollie, a teacher, and Jasmin, who works at a physio company. They all played sport, it was just a natural thing to do.

As a teenager Reid used to work at the local pub, the Ky West Hotel, which sadly burnt down last year, and he finished his year 12 exams at St Joseph’s College in Echuca.

“It’s a small community, an everyone knows each other type of town which is good,’’ Reid says.

And everyone knows of the footy-loving lad with the prodigious talent. They’d see him following dad Mark down to training at the Tongala Blues.

After kicking a footy from age three and then showing plenty of promise with the Bendigo Pioneers, it was obvious Reid had a big future in the game. He’s gone from a kid living simply in country Victoria to the “big smoke” of Perth and playing at the top level in the AFL. Time has flown, and life flipped on its head, since his name was read out at the 2023 draft as the No. 1 pick.

Reid as a junior.

Reid as a junior.

From the moment he touched down in Perth it’s been a free-for-all with everyone knowing his name, his face and his ability.

For the shy teenager with trademark long hair, it’s a lot to take in at times.

“I guess it’s something I’ve had to deal with and try to accept but at times I don’t wish some of the attention on anyone, to be honest, with some things you have to cop and deal with from people who are jealous to an extent or whatnot,’’ he says. “It’s hard with some aspects that come with it and it’s something that can come in multiple different ways. The AFL world is known for it I guess.

“I think, like everyone that plays footy, the end dream is to play AFL footy and footy has always been a part of me and I’ve never really done life without it. It’s all gone very quickly and felt like I got drafted yesterday.

“My first impressions (of Perth) were it was more like the weather was nice. The first block there it was a quick stint to enjoy the sunshine and experience the day to day.”

Harley Reid with parents Mark and Vanessa and sisters Hollie and Jasmin.

Harley Reid with parents Mark and Vanessa and sisters Hollie and Jasmin.

Reid made his debut in round 2 and it didn’t take long to make headlines all around the country – not just in WA.

Many commentators were saying Reid, wearing the club’s famous No. 9 jumper, had given the Eagles back their relevancy after they dipped to the bottom rungs of the ladder and on the back of a disappointing decline.

An unexpected bump in the road was when coach Adam Simpson was sacked in July after 11 years in charge.
“For me, that was a bit out of the blue … I didn’t really think it was happening to be honest,’’ Reid recalls.

“I got into the club and (Simpson) didn’t attend one of the meetings and we didn’t know what was going on. That experience is something I won’t forget, it was a very weird experience. Simmo did so much for me and the relationship I had with him felt like I’d been with him for 10 years, not just six months. I couldn’t feel more privileged to play under him for six months.”

Reid with former coach Adam Simpson. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos

Reid with former coach Adam Simpson.
Reid admits at times he has had to turn off social media and has learnt to keep his “circle very tight”.
“Yeah, throughout the year … I got to the point where I had to do that and minimise my social media time,’’ he says, “choosing the right time when to go on it.”

“I feel like I dealt with it at the time. There’s stuff you’ve got to block out, you know, that’s not true and keep your circle very tight I guess.

“I wasn’t able to get back home as much as I would like and that was something that was tough throughout the year, but now having a break it’s good to get back.

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Watch as footy star Harley Reid and Caulfield Cup winner Sam Freedman join forces for a photo shoot at Marvel Stadium.
“I think it’s hard to keep in touch with family and friends when you’re two or three hours behind everyone back home. But the boys are great and you’re pretty busy over there too so you don’t really think about home too much. Footy day-to-day life is a very busy one.”

Amid the highs and lows of his first season, where he managed to play and star in 20 games, were the interactions with people he’s admired. A dangerous tackle suspension ruled him ineligible to win the Rising Star award — which many felt was all but a certainty — but he did win goal of the year for his incredible dashing goal against Melbourne at Optus Stadium.

Reid has been supported by some AFL greats. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos

Reid has been supported by some AFL greats. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos

The highlight was getting support from Ben Cousins, the Eagles great who previously wore the No. 9 jumper, plus messages from Melbourne star Christian Petracca and retired Richmond premiership hero Dustin Martin.

“I’m an ex-Geelong supporter, I grew up supporting them, and I would have to say Gary Ablett Jr was someone I always looked up to,’’ Reid says.

“Paddy Dangerfield, Christian Petracca and Dusty Martin too.

“Dusty sent me a message after the Richmond game and I have a lot of respect for that guy and the contribution he’s had in the AFL world is pretty special so that was very, very cool.

“I met Benny last year and I was lucky enough to do some gigs with him throughout the year. He’s a good fella and he loved the way I’ve gone about my footy and I couldn’t thank him enough for his support.

He will spend some time in Victoria in the off-season. Picture: Will Russell/AFL Photos

He will spend some time in Victoria in the off-season. Picture: Will Russell/AFL Photos

“Obviously everyone loves to play footy and running out at home with the Optus crowd is just another pump up of energy to go out there and give it a red hot crack.

“I’ve enjoyed my footy this year, it’s a lot better when you’re winning and a lot of boys have helped me express myself and Simmo and the boys have let me express myself from the get-go.

“It’s always good when you’re winning and we’re in a rebuild stage of trying to get better each week and we could match it against the best but just couldn’t do it consistently.”

For all the talk about Reid and his talent, the top discussion is about the “go home” factor and if he’ll return to play in Victoria.

He will spend some time here in the off-season at home and in Melbourne with his childhood sweetheart, AFLW Carlton player Yasmin Duursma.
Harley Reid and Yasmin Duursma at the Brownlow. Picture: Michael Klein

Harley Reid and Yasmin Duursma at the Brownlow. Picture: Michael Klein

The long-distance relationship is flourishing despite the state divide, with Reid in the stands alongside her family when she made her debut with Carlton in grand final week.

The relatively private couple also stepped out together to attend the Brownlow Medal. “Duursma” is also a pretty handy footy name — her brothers are Xavier at Essendon, Zane at North Melbourne and Willem in the under-18s competition.
“For sure, it’s good to see how her footy is going and be there face-to-face to be able to support her along her journey,’’ Reid says.

Reid is also attending the Caulfield Cup on October 19, not with Duursma but with family and friends.
“I’m looking forward to some downtime and being back in Victoria spending time with family and friends in an environment that’s so welcoming,’’ he says.
Reid will attend this year’s Caulfield Cup. Picture: Mark Stewart

Reid will attend this year’s Caulfield Cup. Picture: Mark Stewart

“I’m also looking forward to going to the Caulfield Cup Carnival again, this time as a Friend of Melbourne Racing Club.

“I’m excited to see some great Group 1 racing and be amongst the crowds. The new GA area at Caulfield is inspired by international sports events, so has entertainment, live music and food trucks right next to the track, giving punters some of the best views in the house.

“I really like Caulfield. No matter where you are, you can see the track and horses, so you feel like you’re part of the action. If you’re in GA like I was last year, you won’t need to move all day. Whoever has No. 9 too, I might have to back them.”

Reid understands there’s a fascination with his movements and with his future but the ‘Tonny’ kid is a live-in-the-moment kind of guy.

“I haven’t really thought long term at all, more short term and living in that moment and trying to set little goals to keep ticking the boxes and get better and rebuild to where we want to be,’’ he says.

“It’s trying to find what suits me and what will be right for my career.

“Going No. 1 was huge and to have this chance, I just want to take it and do my best.”
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Seems so obvious from this what we need to do to secure Harley for life .........

Just buy the kid an effing pony!
 
Happy Mastenator said:
Every year without fail.

Day 1 of Free Agency/Trade Period - i should shut my bigfooty account down until this period is over, it will just be endless speculation and worry over something i have no control of. Will best for my mental health, relationships. work etc.,

Final Day of Free Agency/Trade Period - shit, i've posted 1,000 times in the last two weeks, most of it pointless and wrong. My mental health is shot, my wife is giving me death stares, my kids don't recognise me, and i'm in line at centerlink.

Good times.
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I got the impression from the presser that we are looking to do the Tigers deal independent of the Barrass deal.
Which is why Clarke was a bit flippant about Bakers value because he plans to to split 3 for him. He also mentioned other clubs being involved.
If we turn 3 into 6 + Baker and get to keep 14 I’ll take that.
Dev for one of our 60’s picks or we walk away. With Baker and Graham he is not a must have anymore.
6,14,26, 67 + Baker and Dev wouldn’t be a bad result from the trade period.
 
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