List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Hap Hapablap]

safe to say were ****ed and need to commence bedwetting?

lost garcia, lost busslinger, lost english(potential **** up)

got rid of darling for a packet of chips

about to be burnt over barass and baker

****

 

[Tugga27]

This talking point has cropped up a bit in this thread, and it’s absolutely farcical.

Imagine Barrass was in the same scenario - uncontracted but not yet a free agent. Nobody in here would accept for one second him signing up on a one year rental, so he can leave as a FA next year.

But the compo might be good, isn’t that worth something? Well no, not against the backdrop of unsettling the whole squad.

So we have Barrass for a year, and he plays over HEdwards. Why are we wasting minutes on this bloke instead of prepping the future, when we know he’s gone in a year? We’re not in win now.

Barrass doesn’t play at all? Oh so we’ve got some guy just getting paid to train and what does that do for standards across the group?

The one year top up contract to rent a bloke before he leaves as a FA is a fantasy, it’s just not how any credible sporting organisation would run.

If the shoe was on the other foot we’d want the deal done now and move on with our pick, get the player where he needs to go, one year is a hell of a long time in footy as plenty can change so we’d want it sorted now.

He’s not signing a one year top up so we can get him for cash only and send Richmond a compo pick.

Yep

If Baker had any interest to leave Richmond as a FA, he would've signed his last contract for 3 years, not two.

 

[Jukes]

It s not going to happen A5.

Mathew Clarke is dead set on acquiring Baker and let's just say that if what I have heard is happening, this board is going to spew with how this deal goes down.

Clarke must still be on a retainer from Richmond, because if my mail is correct, he may as well be doing Richmonds bidding for them.

Sadly it would appear that Clarke is auditioning for the remake of Draft Day except his sticky reads:

Liam Baker No Matter What


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This makes me think Clarke openly said Baker is worth a pick in the teens because Richmond is asking for more….

 

[bzparkes]

It wont be anywhere near as bad as the Kelly Trade, but it will leave you somewhat flat and shaking your head.
If what I am hearing is true.

Whilst I'm absolutely not a fan of trading out a first rounder for Baker, I'll assume it'll only go through with Pyke's approval. Everything he's done so far appears to be putting the club on the right path.

Don't like it at all but I guess odds suggest Baker will have a career at WCE on a similar length as whoever we'd draft at that pick otherwise.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

If the AFLPA didn't step in to prevent it already then I'm sure he'd only sign a year deal to see him through to AA. If 14 is too high why is it we are always the club that has to accommodate to get a deal done? Geelong do just fine by being absolute campaigners at the trade table. They're about to pay less for a better, 3 year younger former top 10 pick player, if Baker was headed there there's absolutely 0 chance they'd be coughing up pick 14, and they don't need 14 as much as we do.

We’re not.

Have a read of oppo boards. Every club think they’re hard done by.

Richmond fans think the AFL hates them. Them. Richmond. 17 home games a year, need an atlas to find Tasmania and Geelong, prime time slots every time they sneeze, Shai Bolton as FA compo for Ty Vickery. And they think the league has it in for them.

Every club thinks they get reamed. Every club thinks the umpires hate them. Every club think they concede the most in red time.

We’re not hard bargain drivers, nobody would claim that, but the trade period is a hell of a lot more cooperative and a hell of a lot less standoffish than people want it to be. These deals don’t exist in the vacuum of one trade, or even one trade period. Realistically, Port and Geelong have the reputations and every other club thinks that their list management team are pushovers. Essendon win the offseason every year and are on par with Gold Coast as the least relevant side in football.

I don’t want to give up 14 for Baker. I think it’s too much. Seems to be heading that way, annoyingly, but the state of the melts about it and the pretending the bloke doesn’t walk into our top 10 players is getting exhausting.

Losing 13, which we don’t even have yet, and is already 14 soon to become 16-18, isn’t my preference. Looks like we’ll miss the chance to draft the next player that everyone can whinge about and want to pay out a few years from now, like all the other mid-teens picks we currently have.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

We’re not.

Have a read of oppo boards. Every club think they’re hard done by.

Richmond fans think the AFL hates them. Them. Richmond. 17 home games a year, need an atlas to find Tasmania and Geelong, prime time slots every time they sneeze, Shai Bolton as FA compo for Ty Vickery. And they think the league has it in for them.

Every club thinks they get reamed. Every club thinks the umpires hate them. Every club think they concede the most in red time.

We’re not hard bargain drivers, nobody would claim that, but the trade period is a hell of a lot more cooperative and a hell of a lot less standoffish than people want it to be. These deals don’t exist in the vacuum of one trade, or even one trade period. Realistically, Port and Geelong have the reputations and every other club thinks that their list management team are pushovers. Essendon win the offseason every year and are on par with Gold Coast as the least relevant side in football.

I don’t want to give up 14 for Baker. I think it’s too much. Seems to be heading that way, annoyingly, but the state of the melts about it and the pretending the bloke doesn’t walk into our top 10 players is getting exhausting.

Losing 13, which we don’t even have yet, and is already 14 soon to become 16-18, isn’t my preference. Looks like we’ll miss the chance to draft the next player that everyone can whinge about and want to pay our a few years from now, like all the other mid teens picks we currently have.

Nice melt

There isn't another club that would give up 14 in this situation, at this point of a rebuild. 23 or F2 is slight unders but when a player is uncontracted and has nominated a club then slight unders almost always gets the deal done. It's time we as a club at least try to maximise value, because unlike the rest of the competiton we don't get any handouts.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Clarkes position is list manager and Duane Massey is the recruiting manager. Clarke wouldn’t have the ability to overrule a trade it would have to be agreed on by the recruitment team and verified I’m sure the recruitment team would be arguing to keep 14 if possible. Baker is OOC which significantly reduces tigers bargaining power loads of options pick 25 or f2 pick downgrade plus baker ect.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Clarkes position is list manager and Duane Massey is the recruiting manager. Clarke wouldn’t have the ability to overrule a trade it would have to be agreed on by the recruitment team and verified I’m sure the recruitment team would be arguing to keep 14 if possible. Baker is OOC which significantly reduces tigers bargaining power loads of options pick 25 or f2 pick downgrade plus baker ect.

Kick the **** out already. Clarke. GTFO.

 

[JohnW]

Sure, no worries, I wont bother posting what I hear, spare your good self from the dramatics.
Done.

You haven't?

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

 

[Corn69]

Trade Barrass for 14 + 33 and future 2nd rounder.

On trade 14 and 33 or hawks future 2nd rounder to the Swans for 19 and 22.

Offer Bitchmond 19 for Baker, stand firm on this offer.

Trade 3 and future 1st for 7 and 8. I know it's alot, but I'd rather have 2 bites in this draft. Next year we have some quality NGA and a F/S coming through.

Pick 7: Tobie (Wing/Def)
Pick 8: Allan (Mid/Def)
Pick 22: Lindsay/Gross/Moraes
Pick 26: Mraz
Champion
Baker

Not everyone it going to like this, but honestly think this is pretty decent.

 

[Ishmael_]

I understand Baker's initial position of 'I don't want to screw over the club that took a chance, rookie listed me and took me to two premierships'. We've pursued him and are somewhat obligated to make it happen, and reports indicate Fremantle was a live chance until very recently.

But it's a two way street. Richmond is under new management - things have changed. Their president was churlish at the B&F and their posturing has been absurd re Rioli and ordinary re Bolton.

West Coast should be fueling the 'unreasonable Richmond' narrative. That's our cover and we should be using it to push back or pull out.

 

[Art OF war]

Likely no reliable intel because those that normally give it, don’t want to won’t to be passing on bad news.

 

[ThePuma #9]

West Coast bending over and taking it raw at the trade table?

Surely not!

 

[ghostbat12]

I'm wetting the bed hard about this whole baker for 14. We really don't need him.

Get parfitt, owies for free, along with Graham that's 3 serviceable players in the 26/27 age bracket.

Trade: Barrass, 26 for 14, 33, Haw F1.
Trade: Haw F1, WCE F2, 33 for 13, 23

Go to the Draft with 3, 13, 14, 23, 63, 68


3 - Fos/jagga/Lalor
13,14 - Two of Lindsay, Tauru/Trainor, Berry, Allan
23 - KPD/Dodson
63, 68 Champion match

Baker for 14?

When asked if he was worth that, Clarke said “we think so”. Which means Richmond are asking for more otherwise it would be done.

May woodcock go full back page after all this. Seems like only the Richmond mafia seem to think all this is a good idea.

 

[Elite Pete]

Baker for 14?

When asked if he was worth that, Clarke said “we think so”. Which means Richmond are asking for more otherwise it would be done.

May woodcock go full back page after all this. Seems like only the Richmond mafia seem to think all this is a good idea.

Can’t be done yet as we don’t have 14 atm.

 

[Barrybran]

It wont be anywhere near as bad as the Kelly Trade, but it will leave you somewhat flat and shaking your head.
If what I am hearing is true.

Is it possible that the trade will look bad on paper but the reality is that this draft isn't as good as advertised?

 

[FKASC]

James Braystraw has been pretty vocal on the subject.

John Longmire also

 

[Schtinker]

safe to say were ****ed and need to commence bedwetting?

lost garcia, lost busslinger, lost english(potential **** up)

got rid of darling for a packet of chips

about to be burnt over barass and baker

****

Yeah but DGB.....

 

[twce13]

How confused must the tigers list management team be when dealing with Freo..

"Why aren't these guys in the fetal position like the others ?"

 

[sey666]

Perhaps it is not in WCE best interests to have 2 ex Richmond employees in charge when we are trying to get the best outcome for us in a trade with them (I am not questioning their integrity but they may still have friends there and friends usually don’t screw other friends).

Worsfold has the power to veto any trade decision that Clarke makes, doesn’t he?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Don’t think the pick 13 stalemate will go on. Port, Pies, GCS will get a deal done, something like

GCS OUT: 13, Lukosius
GCS IN: Noble, F1 (COLL), F1 (PORT)

PORT OUT: Houston, F1
PORT IN: 13, Lukosius, Richards

COLL OUT: F1, Noble, Richards
COLL IN: Houston

I would love a pick 6 stalemate where tigers refuse to straight swap Rioli. Would go in with F1 for 6 and 23. Would love to include Liam Ryan and they can keep 23 but have their F1 coming back.

It what world do Nobel and Richards have any trade value?

Nobel MSD pick left out of their finals and only got a game this season due to huge injury list

Richards is a late 3rd rounder ,played 8 games and Collingwood hadn't offered him a good contract .

Clubs wanting teams to highly overpay this trade period is crazy

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

3 goals whilst Brisbane were celebrating a Premiership in junk time.

Parker was given the job to shut down Harris Andrews in the GF and failed miserably. Andrews was a wall in the early part of the game and it was all over after that

 

[pantskyle]

Posters that get intel often can't post it publicly because it'll be clear where it's come from, I've been gagged often. I've received stuff from Monocle which I have been able to verify. He isn't talking shit IMO but can agree the peppering up our own anguses is not great either.

As an Eagles fan I'm simply always prepared we're going to do something stupid.

 

[ziad]

Can’t be done yet as we don’t have 14 atm.

14 we don't have, and on trade day it is probably = about 18-20. What's our next pick to offer? F2 is probably well worth keeping. I think the Baker value is closer to 14 than our next pick. We have a pitiful list. So I am not loosing sleep or jumping at shadows.

 

[briztoon]

Posters that get intel often can't post it publicly because it'll be clear where it's come from, I've been gagged often. I've received stuff from Monocle which I have been able to verify. He isn't talking shit IMO but can agree the peppering up our own anguses is not great either.

As an Eagles fan I'm simply always prepared we're going to do something stupid.

I’ve learnt over the years that if you hear sh!t but can’t share it, don’t insinuate you’ve heard sh!t but can’t share it. It just p!sses everyone else off, and makes you look like a douche.

I used to work with Tom Rockliff’s missus, would get told a heap of stuff. Always checked what I could share and couldn’t.