List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Barrybran]

So do I and so we should. They are the most logical picks for us but the question is how to get both. Trading all our Barrass capital and leaving Baker out in the cold or our F1 are the only ways I see us getting pick 6 or 7.

In addition to my post re 3 + F1 above, offer 13 + 26 to the Saints for 8 + 47. They wind up with 7, 13, 26, 27 and we wind up with 6, 8, 23, 29, 47, 63, 68. Give them 23 instead of 26 if they really want to push things.

(All of this assuming 2x F1 for Barrass and one of those to Richmond for Baker)

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Any indication that the Saints actually want to trade up? Given where their list is at, and the ever changing nature of the top end of this draft, they’re surely much more suited to just using 7 and 8 themselves?

 

[eaglevision]

In addition to my post re 3 + F1 above, offer 13 + 26 to the Saints for 8 + 47. They wind up with 7, 13, 26, 27 and we wind up with 6, 8, 23, 29, 47, 63, 68. Give them 23 instead of 26 if they really want to push things.

(All of this assuming 2x F1 for Barrass and one of those to Richmond for Baker)

Big call to cash in and split both 3 and F1 but this is definitely the draft to do it. Let’s say we end up doing that, who are your targets with those picks?

Personally I’d rather just target 6 and 41 from GCS for Barrass F1 x 2 (or our F1 if it came to it).

 

[PremiershipNo4]

I wonder if Jack Carroll coming to WC is being discussed?

 

[eaglevision]

Any indication that the Saints actually want to trade up? Given where their list is at, and the ever changing nature of the top end of this draft, they’re surely much more suited to just using 7 and 8 themselves?

No indication. They are in a sweet spot, I’d be surprised if they trade either of those picks. Would have to be overs, perhaps 8, 27 for 12,14 or 15,16 depending on their targets.

GCS 6 we know is on the market and they are getting increasing frustrated with Richmond.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Not sure what all the fuss is over.. we have the upper hand in every situation really.

Our Pick 3: Either take an elite mid or split and take two highly rated kids

Barrass: Shop him around to other Victorian clubs or hold him to his contract

Baker: Either they take pick 26 or just walk him to the psd or get him next year for nothing. He’s un contracted ffs we aren’t obligated to please Richmond

Yes, this

 

[Yeahnahmate]

What difference does it make if we trade 3 down to 6+18(for example) and use 18 for Baker while keeping what we get for Barrass, vs trading 3 for 6+18 and using stuff from Barrass for Baker?

No difference at all is the answer.

We will more than likely downgrade pick 3 at this stage, and we will more than likely get Baker.

They aren’t the only options. Using 18 or lower shouldn’t need come into it at all

 

[swuzzlebubble]

That Carlton poster who posted the rumour about 3 for 12 and 14 has only made 3 posts since making a bf account 15 years ago.

They're 2 from 2 so far

 

[windows1]

How about this view:

12 and 14 means we effectively downgrade 3 to 12 for Liam ******* Baker.

There is no different perspective on this turd of a deal. It's being fueled by VFL media as they can't accept that Baker won't go for overs and hard to believe eagles actually being dumb enough to do such, despite the fear on here.

Carlel can day dream about pick 3 all they want.

No offence but it has been fuelled by your own recruiting manager who declared Baker an early teens pick. It anchored his value. Vic media didn’t say he was worth that. Your club did.

There should be better deals out there than 12+14 however. It’s also not being shut down by your club and has floated out there for 2 days. Usually by now one of many reporters would have got a “no WC are not interested” by now. Vic media may just be putting one and one together and making two.

My point: I agree there is often bias….but in this case they’re being given plenty to go on…

 

[twce13]

No offence but it has been fuelled by your own recruiting manager who declared Baker an early teens pick. It anchored his value. Vic media didn’t say he was worth that. Your club did.

There should be better deals out there than 12+14 however. It’s also not being shut down by your club and has floated out there for 2 days. Usually by now one of many reporters would have got a “no WC are not interested” by now. Vic media may just be putting one and one together and making two.

My point: I agree there is often bias….but in this case they’re being given plenty to go on…

Umm what...

Literally since end of season Ralph , Clarke, Morris etc have been stating this value. So yes vic media did in fact state his worth. In fact when our list manager admitted to such it was a loaded question from said media...

So your categorically wrong there.

But this is besides the point. The point being 12 and 14 is terrible deal when you consider all the context. You guys might be happy with 12 and 14, but it's awful for us.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Based on what FOS has come out and said is it fairly safe to say we talked to him and told him we are very keen and that given he hasnt talked to Richmond/North then he knows he is coming our way ?

Whole thing seems weird to me. Why would FOS bring it up if we never spoke to him and had no interest ?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Any indication that the Saints actually want to trade up? Given where their list is at, and the ever changing nature of the top end of this draft, they’re surely much more suited to just using 7 and 8 themselves?

You would think keeping pick 3 until draft night would get us the best deal if we wanted to trade it .

 

[swuzzlebubble]

But this is besides the point. The point being 12 and 14 is terrible deal when you consider all the context. You guys might be happy with 12 and 14, but it's awful for us.

Based on our "ITK" info I'm reading it that we may have an 'in principle ' deal with you guys that allows you to do your trades but it's subject to you not getting a better offer. We have plans B& C in case A falls through.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

No offence but it has been fuelled by your own recruiting manager who declared Baker an early teens pick. It anchored his value. Vic media didn’t say he was worth that. Your club did.

There should be better deals out there than 12+14 however. It’s also not being shut down by your club and has floated out there for 2 days. Usually by now one of many reporters would have got a “no WC are not interested” by now. Vic media may just be putting one and one together and making two.

My point: I agree there is often bias….but in this case they’re being given plenty to go on…

Fox Footy was doing articles about how Freo’s 10 or West Coast’s 12 (from Hawthorn) would be the price for Baker, pre finals when Hawthorn’s pick was 12.

Very little to do with anything we’ve said this week, especially when the question is as leading as “is he worth a pick in the teens”.

If they’d asked “is he worth a first rounder” that’s not proof that we think he’s worth pick 3, even if our list manager says yes.

 

[ziad]

No offence but it has been fuelled by your own recruiting manager who declared Baker an early teens pick. It anchored his value. Vic media didn’t say he was worth that. Your club did.

There should be better deals out there than 12+14 however. It’s also not being shut down by your club and has floated out there for 2 days. Usually by now one of many reporters would have got a “no WC are not interested” by now. Vic media may just be putting one and one together and making two.

My point: I agree there is often bias….but in this case they’re being given plenty to go on…

we don't pay our managers to tell the world the detail of our plans. A measured degree to subtleness is applied, well beyond the thinking of morons in the press.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not sure what all the fuss is over.. we have the upper hand in every situation really.

Our Pick 3: Either take an elite mid or split and take two highly rated kids

Barrass: Shop him around to other Victorian clubs or hold him to his contract

Baker: Either they take pick 26 or just walk him to the psd or get him next year for nothing. He’s un contracted ffs we aren’t obligated to please Richmond

Tell that to Matt Clarke please.

The silence is deafening at this point

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Based on our "ITK" info I'm reading it that we may have an 'in principle ' deal with you guys that allows you to do your trades but it's subject to you not getting a better offer. We have plans B& C in case A falls through.

Of course we will get a better offer.

Not sure how its possible not too

GWS would go in with 15,16 + F1st at the very least

 

[Obeanie1]

From this morning, thinks we have strong interest in FOS and Travaglia.

Good.

Keep 3

Trade our F1st for 6 plus extras.

Get one or 2 F1sts in the TB trade.

FOS at 3.

TT at 6 that becomes 7/8.

Bet wetters can hang their heads in shame. Job done.

 

[Keys]

Watching this whole trade period so far be like





There’s a horrible sense of impending doom that we’re about to do something really stupid based solely on speculative media reports and our own negative perceptions, real or imagined, of our trading history. Which it must be said was under different management to who we have now

The only significant thing we’ve done, or more precisely haven’t done, so far is refuse to roll over for a tummy tickle from Hawthorn and accept their lowball offer for Barrass. That should, and has been on this board at least, viewed as a positive

In media land, however, we’ve apparently dropped the ball by not accepting that offer of either pick 14 and an exchange of of our F3 with Hawthorns F2 or possibly just 14 on it’s own

For whatever reason, it’s been determined that we’re the only club that should be accepting whatever is put in front of us for a contracted player when the likes of Richmond are actively encouraged to push for the maximum return for Rioli and Bolton. Plus the contracted Baker because we’ve promised to bring him in

No mention that Hawthorn actively and quite publicly pursued Barrass, offering him a generous contract extension in the process, only to put the bare minimum on the table after having weeks to prepare a trade offer. Then blew up negotiations because they didn’t get their answer inside the first week when they have no other deals to get done

It’s all quite pathetic

Yet the fear of us doing something stupid just won’t go away despite Pyke barely putting a foot wrong since taking over

 

[Bender_]

Imagine selling the world to someone to the point that someone buys a house in Melbourne in preparation for the following season only to refuse to pay what's right.

I can't believe what Hawthorn have done to poor Tom.

I'm not so sure about that last line, but it'd be nice if someone in the media would point this out; Hawthorn publicly courted him - in season mind you - and when Hawks throw the toys out of the cot (according to the media) it's us that have screwed them around to the point of them giving in the first week? F*ck off.

 

[Obeanie1]

Fox Footy was doing articles about how Freo’s 10 or West Coast’s 12 (from Hawthorn) would be the price for Baker, pre finals when Hawthorn’s pick was 12.

Very little to do with anything we’ve said this week, especially when the question is as leading as “is he worth a pick in the teens”.

If they’d asked “is he worth a first rounder” that’s not proof that we think he’s worth pick 3, even if our list manager says yes.

It doesnt matter what anyone thinks or says his worth.

Can provide dozens of examples of clubs paying slight unders for players out of contract.

Can provide many examples of clubs paying well under percieved value.

So Richmond nuffies beating their chests about a random throw away comment means nothing. Other than they want exactly what is the perception of his value.

Trades dont work like that everyone. Clubs sometime pay overs like it looks like the Suns will for Rioli due to being under contract. Swings and roundabouts. Thats how trades really work.

 

[kerrazy]

Hoping if there are discussions of turning pick 3 for 12 and 14, Pyke puts on list management hat, waltzes into the meeting rooms with Carlton and back hands Clarke in the chops.

 

[Barrybran]

Big call to cash in and split both 3 and F1 but this is definitely the draft to do it. Let’s say we end up doing that, who are your targets with those picks?

Personally I’d rather just target 6 and 41 from GCS for Barrass F1 x 2 (or our F1 if it came to it).

I'd rather not but that seems to be the conversation. 3 for 12 + 14, F1 for something. I'm just throwing up an alternative where we forego the Carlton option. I do get the idea behind cashing our F1 in though as we can't offer it for Warner if we don't have it.

Targets wise, no idea. If we were willing to give up 14 for Baker, we clearly don't want anyone bad enough in that part of the draft. I haven't watched a lot of video but FOS is at the bottom of the list of players I've watched so far.

I'm actually leaning toward keeping 3 at this stage pending watching more video as it gets us one of Smith or Draper, who both look like players that could complement Harley well. They look like they're a tier above the likes of FOS, Reid, Langford, etc. I actually really like the look of Tauru from the limited vision I've seen.

 

[Obeanie1]

Based on our "ITK" info I'm reading it that we may have an 'in principle ' deal with you guys that allows you to do your trades but it's subject to you not getting a better offer. We have plans B& C in case A falls through.

12 plus 14 and Matt Kennedy agrees to go to Richmond for Baker and we are getting closer.

12 and 14 on their own makes little sense.

Even with a Carrol thrown in. Or an Owies.

12, 14 plus Baker. Close.

 

[FKASC]

Watching this whole trade period so far be like


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There’s a horrible sense of impending doom that we’re about to do something really stupid based solely on speculative media reports and our own negative perceptions, real or imagined, of our trading history. Which it must be said was under different management to who we have now

The only significant thing we’ve done, or more precisely haven’t done, so far is refuse to roll over for a tummy tickle from Hawthorn and accept their lowball offer for Barrass. That should, and has been on this board at least, viewed as a positive

In media land, however, we’ve apparently dropped the ball by not accepting that offer of either pick 14 and an exchange of of our F3 with Hawthorns F2 or possibly just 14 on it’s own

For whatever reason, it’s been determined that we’re the only club that should be accepting whatever is put in front of us for a contracted player when the likes of Richmond are actively encouraged to push for the maximum return for Rioli and Bolton. Plus the contracted Baker because we’ve promised to bring him in

No mention that Hawthorn actively and quite publicly pursued Barrass, offering him a generous contract extension in the process, only to put the bare minimum on the table after having weeks to prepare a trade offer. Then blew up negotiations because they didn’t get their answer inside the first week when they have no other deals to get done

It’s all quite pathetic

Yet the fear of us doing something stupid just won’t go away despite Pyke barely putting a foot wrong since taking over

Yep couldn’t put it better myself. I need to try and stay away from the socials and this forum for the next few days I reckon