List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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Wouldn’t next year’s 1st hold extra value with the draft being so compromised with academy & F/S selections. Eagles & other clubs will know it’s likely to be a bottom 4 pick which won’t really be impacted by those selection's.

It would give clubs a chance at getting a pick in before an academy/FS & essentially double dipping or selling it off for extra points.

In my mind it’s value is ever higher with the way next years draft it looking.
 

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Elite Pete said:
Same scenario last year and we couldn’t find a buyer.

Hold our F1.
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If we are supposedly stocking up on future picks for Barrass and moving on 3 for the 12+14(+something surely) thing I think we should definitely try to move our own f1 into this year, bombers just happens to be the only club other than GC who has added incentive to do so
 
How about this trade scenario (note I'm spit balling to take my mind off the grim reality of what might otherwise be):

Trade 1
West Coast give Barrass and our F2nd
Hawthorn give their F1st, Carlton's F1st and Carlton's F2nd

Trade 2
West Coast give pick 3 and Hawthorn's F1st.
Richmond give Baker, picks 10 and 18 (both from the Bolton trade)

Trade 3
West Coast give our F1st and Carlton's F1st. West Coast receive picks 7 and 15.
St Kilda give pick 7 and 8. St Kilda receive our future F1st, pick 16 and pick 21.
GWS give pick 15, 16 and pick 21. GWS receive pick 8 and Carlton's F1st.

Outcome
From what they currently hold West Coast give up Barrass, pick 3, their F1st and downgrade (likely) their F2nd to Carlton's F2nd.
West Coast receive picks 7 (Draper/Smillie/Langford), 10 (Travaglia/Tauru), 15 (Lindsay/Trainor/Hotton/Allan), 18 (Lindsay/Berry) and 26 (Hynes/Oliver) along with Baker and presumably Champion.
 
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cookiesncream said:
Using media rumours as a guide could this be a possibility:

WCE trade pick 3 to Blues for 12, 14, Owies - 12 and 14 linked via multiple sources and Owies has met with us according to fox sports.

WCE trade 14 to Syd for 19, 22, F3 - has been mentioned by foxsports that Sydney has tried to get GC pick 13 and Blues pick 14.

WCE trade 19 to Rich for Baker – Ralph stated the value for Baker is between 15 and 20, Clarke mentioned similar.

WCE trade Barrass, F3 to Hawks for Hawks F1 and Blues F1 – We supposedly rejected a 14 and F2, and the value of present first round draft picks is worth more than future first round draft picks. Hence the two future firsts. Hawks got additional F2 from there trade with the Blues so they will feel their overall net return is profitable.

From media rumors WCE receive: 12, 22, Hawks F1, Blues F1, Baker, and Owies

Then not rumoured but could be a win:

WCE trade F1 to GC for pick 6 and 23
GC then can trade our F1 to the Tigers for Rioli and later picks for points GC need.

WCE end up with 6, 12, 22, 23, 26, 63, 68, Hawks F1, Blues F1, Baker, Owies, Graham
WCE lose 3, F1, F3, Barrass

Gives us 5 picks in that top range Clarke mentioned, points for Champion, and we get publicized trade targets.
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Brings a tear to my eye reading mega trades like these.;):cool:;)
 
squashface said:
TRADE SCENARIO :fire:

West Coast
Lose: Darling
Gain: Darling

Norf
Lose: Darling
Gain: Darling

Richmond
Lose: Darling
Gain: Darling

Hawthorn
Lose: Darling
Gain: Darling

Who says no?
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No idea whats been said in there in the last 10 pages because every time I check back on the thread there's 20 pages to read.

I feel like 14 was a fair offer for Barrass. If we were going to use that pick in the draft then this year in particular there is an above average chance we pick up a a grade kid who plays 200 games for the club. It's ****ing insane that this can't get it done for our number 2 key defender who's 29 and desperate to leave the club.

That said, it is even more insane that this club is even speaking to Liam Baker or the Richmond football club if pick 26 can't get that done. If Fremantle are willing to pay 18 for him then that offer has to go through. Likewise if someone offered us something better than Hawthorn offered us for Barrass then that has to get done as well.

No matter what happens, it feels like Liam Baker in a West Coast jumper is going to be one of the most idiotic things the club has ever done. To anyone who says the deal hasn't happened yet so why melt over it. The deal hasn't happened because the absolute most we can afford to pay [and I wouldn't even pay pick 26 for him] has been rejected. And that's ruined how many other opportunities already?

Take pick 3 and pick a player, trade if forward into next years draft, or split it. Do not use it in any shape of form to get Liam Baker to this club.

Take an earliest first rounder we can get, from any Melbourne club, for Tom Barrass and use it in the draft. If we aren't interested in doing that then Barrass should be going nowhere.

End of story.

Now if I'm putting together a wish list of what I'd like to see before Wednesday, I'm a simple man.

Carlton give us pick 12 for Barrass and we use it to draft Bo Allen. Carlton go on the knock Hawthorn out of finals contention next year and Tom has a fine twilight to his career in the navy blue. I would not even begrudge him another premiership, you'd love to see it in fact.

Liam Baker goes to Fremantle with Bolton for 10, 11, 18. It makes no difference and we still win our next Premiership before they do. Jack Graham runs through Baker in the opening 5 minutes of derby 1 2025 and becomes a cult hero at the club.

We use pick 3 on Fin O and he and Harley each play 300 games for the club and they move in together, get married, and Yasmin Duursma becomes but a distant [though fond] childhood memory.
 
sharps24 said:
Carlton give us pick 12 for Barrass and we use it to draft Bo Allen.
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I don't think the acquisition of Baker/Graham would have played any sort of significant role in choosing McQualter.

But I do think the fact that Backer, Graham and if reporting is correct, Bolton, all wanting to play for the Eagles is highly significant.

Pretty remarkable for them to want to play for a struggling club like West Coast over a 'contender' like Freo because of a former assistant coach. Speaks volumes about the man and very much like the Mitchell - Barrass move.
 
One thing to note for the Pick 12 + 14 for Pick 3 bedwetters (myself included), Matt Rosa essentially said he has given up trying to trade up their Pick 9.

You’d assume that meant he tried to get Pick 3 off us and given they need to keep picks for this year, you’d assume their offer was Pick 9 + F1 or F2. Or maybe Pick 9 + F1 for Pick 3 + 26. Either way, both much stronger options than 12 + 14.
 
Jukes said:
One thing to note for the Pick 12 + 14 for Pick 3 bedwetters (myself included), Matt Rosa essentially said he has given up trying to trade up their Pick 9.

You’d assume that meant he tried to get Pick 3 off us and given they need to keep picks for this year, you’d assume their offer was Pick 9 + F1 or F2. Or maybe Pick 9 + F1 for Pick 3 + 26. Either way, both much stronger options than 12 + 14.
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I think we want multiple picks this year if we were to split 3, hence 9+f1 from essendon not being attractive.
 
eaglespremiers said:
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Fair. I far prefer the fantasy scenarios you've been writing about.

Barrass is not worth pick 12 and Carlton don't want him, but its not far off Hawthorn's offer of 14 is it.

Swapping out Barrass at 29 [with a cooked back] for a WA boy in Bo Allen [who looks to me a better footballer than Ginbey, who I like fine] in the middle of a rebuild should be seen as an all time win.

Everything about this trade period is completely insane though. Let's go get 2 first rounders for Barrass and use them for Liam Baker and some Victorian prince whose shoes Bo Allen isn't even fit to polish.
 
sharps24 said:
Fair. I far prefer the fantasy scenarios you've been writing about.

Barrass is not worth pick 12 and Carlton don't want him, but its not far off Hawthorn's offer of 14 is it.

Swapping out Barrass at 29 [with a cooked back] for a WA boy in Bo Allen [who looks to me a better footballer than Ginbey, who I like fine] in the middle of a rebuild should be seen as an all time win.

Everything about this trade period is completely insane though. Let's go get 2 first rounders for Barrass and use them for Liam Baker and some Victorian prince whose shoes Bo Allen isn't even fit to polish.
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Its not the price lol, its who you chose. If we got pick 12 for Barrass we would probably take it, ask for Carroll along with it to shore up our midfield depth.
Ever since vic journos started linking us to every single WA kid we have been pushing back and really not wanting them lol.

If we got 12 and Allan was the best available then yeah he'd be a good pick.
Id be ok with Allan tbh, I reckon hes more of a mid than Ginbey, and would suit a Richmond-esque game style
 
stallon said:
Its not the price lol, its who you chose. If we got pick 12 for Barrass we would probably take it, ask for Carroll along with it to shore up our midfield depth.
Ever since vic journos started linking us to every single WA kid we have been pushing back and really not wanting them lol.

If we got 12 and Allan was the best available then yeah he'd be a good pick.
Id be ok with Allan tbh, I reckon hes more of a mid than Ginbey, and would suit a Richmond-esque game style
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So there's really nothing wrong with either 12 for Barrass or Bo Allen for 12... thanks for supporting the post. Wasn't sure what exactly the problem was with it. People like to rofl over the most innocuous suggestions on here.

In other news, people really need to realise that there is not team out there that we should hate more than Hawthorn.

Beat us in 2 out of 3 of our GF losses, but no we should not respect them like we do Sydney. '91 and '15 we were the best team in it by a ways and Hawthorn absolutely embarrassed us. Fast forward a few years after the '15 debacle and we're letting Alistair Clarkson mastermind our Simpson succession plan for us because he wants Sam Mitchell off the books. Mitchell absolutely dogs us [and his missus] and is back home at the Hawks 2 years later. Gets over here and convinces our vice captain to walk out on the club, then refuses to pay for him. For the lols probably. This is an organisation that has absolutely no respect for our club. In the story of who is the greatest club in the history of the AFL Hawthorn are #1 and we are #2 as a direct consequence of the fact that whenever our organisations go to war to decide who's got the biggest set of balls, we end up walking away tail between legs. From this moment onward we need to see them as an absolute enemy. The only trade that is acceptable for Tom Barrass is one in which Hawthorn are palpably dominated, and to their eternal shame. If they are good enough to go on from that and have premiership success with Tom then good luck to them. But this needs to get ugly now. And similarly, Richmond can get ****ed as well. Walk Baker to the psd. We're not friends with these clubs and we need to stop coming home from school having to tell mum we lost our lunch money to these guys yet again.
 
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Don't venture over to the Richmond board and the the Baker thread. Delusion runs rife through that supporter base.

Not sure they are familiar with Liam Baker and are confusing him with Chris Judd. Also not sure they are aware he's out of contract.

We should just tell Baker sorry, we'll try again next year and if he wants to go to freo now, no problems.
 
stallon said:
I think we want multiple picks this year if we were to split 3, hence 9+f1 from essendon not being attractive.
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Would St Kilda be willing to deal for it? Maybe something like WCE trades picks 3 & 26 + future 4th round pick for St Kilda's picks 7, 8, 47 + future 3rd.

That could get the Baker deal done with something like pick 8 + St Kilda's future 3rd for Baker + picks 24 & 51 + Richmond's future 3rd. I think this is fair value for an out of contract 27 year old.

We would still have picks 7, 24, 47, 51, 63, 68 (the last 4 of those picks becoming higher once Brisbane bids for academy picks) and a slight improvement on our draft hand for next year.
 
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