List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

He very loosely agreed with a journo who asked if Baker was worth a low teens pick

That could quite easily mean our F2, or later picks that equal the same value but for some reason everyone is fixated on it.

Hardly “loose”. See above

 

[Ghossein]

so when are we getting darling back

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

They dont have to be insurance. They are kids who we rated highly enough who are yet to get proper exposure to the midfield.
We have already added Graham and are soon to add Baker.
Hewetts latest foot injury was in the opposite foot wasnt it?(or at least an unrelated injury)
Im not saying we never need to draft a mid again, but this year in particular, we dont have to.

This is wild.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Hey Stallon, we need to draft a gun mid!

 

[CountryLad]

so when are we getting darling back

When we give Nth pick 3.

Remember gun key fwds are as rare as hens teeth. Freo also have pick 10,11 & 18 if you weren’t aware and Darling as yet hasn’t nominated a club of choice.

We can’t walk him to the psd either because Nth have pick 2 so it’s no threat really. Tough position for the club.

Sam McClure reckons it won’t happen.

 

[ZergMinion]

I know we're pretty set on Liam Baker

3

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

being worth a second rounder, but what's his actual worth compared to previous trades? Will be 27 all season next year, out of contract and a good player.

Alex Neal-Bullen

28

Alex Neal-bullen

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.3

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.1

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

1.5

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

will be 29 all season next year, is a worse player than Baker and went for a second rounder this year.

What small players (not talls) at the same age, ability and contract status have been traded in the last few years and what did they go for?

Not worried about circumstances of team trading in too much. Just trying to compare apples to apples.

So good player (not great), 26 turning 27 at time of trade and out of contract. Go.

 

[stallon]

This is wild.

Strong disagree mate. Follows a pretty consistent logic

 

[eaglevision]

They dont have to be insurance. They are kids who we rated highly enough who are yet to get proper exposure to the midfield.
We have already added Graham and are soon to add Baker.
Hewetts latest foot injury was in the opposite foot wasnt it?(or at least an unrelated injury)
Im not saying we never need to draft a mid again, but this year in particular, we dont have to.

Hewett’s foot injury is related (but not sesamoiditis) and is in the same foot. Patience very much required.

We should aim to leave the draft with at least one mid in the top 30, whether it be FOS/Lindsay/Hynes etc. but if we end up with pick 6 or 7 I’m taking Tobie over whichever pure mid is left.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Hardly “loose”. See above

"Um i think so, somewhere in there"

"There's also other mechanisms with what they may end up with and what we may end up with"

It still sounds a pretty loose/general answer to me

 

[sharps24]

Keep 3
Trade F1 for 6 and 41 with GCS
Trade Barrass & F2 for F1 (HAW) & F1 (CARL)
Trade F1 (HAW) for Baker & F2 (RICH)


2024: 3,6,26,41,62,67
2025: R1 (CARL), R2 (RICH), R3, R4

*Still don’t want Baker, but time to accept it’s happening.

Ugh. I don't like it but this is about as good of an out to this cluster**** as I've seen. Serious wouldn't jump off a bridge anymore areas, well done.

 

[Astro7]

You can have all the elite inside mids you want, but if you dont have a strong half back line that can transition the ball you wont go anywhere.
Geelong are a strong example of no midfield but strong transition game.
Gold Coast, Carlton, and Brisbane of the first couple of months of the year are great examples of sides with strong midfields but no strong half backs that struggled

Yep, regardless of who we have in stock, on the rise, coming through etc - I would say arguably we need at least 1 x walk up elite midfielder, 1 x walk up elite attacking half back and in a perfect world 1 x quality ruckman...forwards not so much. If we secured Graham+Baker then 2 elite backliners would be ideal (fast attacking with laser kicking skills). Happy to replace Cole and Duggan (won't happen). With current trending game style is TB looking more like a dinosaur? Could put TB's head on Duggan's body?
A supercharged V8 corridor! Fantasy time...

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

The game is played more and more around transition. Our half backs and outside ball users are shit, to put it crudely.
Why do you think Gold Coast, Collingwood, North and Carlton are so desperate to pick up an elite half back this year?
Clubs base their entire playstyle around half back.

You have no idea about list building.

You can't have elite outsiders and half backs in bottom 4 side. You can't have a rubbish midfield and KPP, and then expect to win with elite HBF's and outsiders. All those teams you mentioned have good midfields. GCS and North both have midfields packed with young stars on the up. Collingwood won a flag in 2023. It's just a jigsaw piece for them to be able to transition. Carlton were top 4 most of this year. Also a jigsaw piece. We don't have what they have.

Outsiders can't play without elite insiders. Faren Ray, Aaron Fiora, Tom Scully, Richard Tambling - there's tons of these outside players who couldn't play in weak teams. Transition or not, there's always going to be a lot of contested ball in any game of footy. You have to have elite ball winning midfielders.

Bottom of ladder/top 5 picks: elite ball winning mids or elite KPF
Moving up the ladder/Pick 5-10: same as above, but if you have enough of that, elite SF, elite outside mid
Moving more up the ladder/pick 10-15: elite SF, elite outside mid, KPD (based on need and best available)
During all these drafts you're picking flankers, rucks, and best available with picks outside the first round. Some will be gems, and some of your first rounders might end up of the HBF. Your rucks develop, and if they don't, you grab a 25 year old second ruck who is ready for 1st ruck in a trade.

You don't get your HBF's, outsiders, transition players when you have top 10 picks. You get your elite mids and elite KPF's.

All the clubs seemed to have wised up about picking outsiders when you're bottom 8. Transition footy or not.

 

[Mop]

Outsiders can't play without elite insiders. Faren Ray, Aaron Fiora, Tom Scully, Richard Tambling - there's tons of these outside players who couldn't play in

Farren Ray, there’s a dude I forgot existed.
Well done

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Keep 3
Trade F1 for 6 and 41 with GCS
Trade Barrass & F2 for F1 (HAW) & F1 (CARL)
Trade F1 (HAW) for Baker & F2 (RICH)


2024: 3,6,26,41,62,67
2025: R1 (CARL), R2 (RICH), R3, R4

*Still don’t want Baker, but time to accept it’s happening.

Like it.

Could we not get 6 29 for our F1?

Death riding blue will be fun. Cripps

3 FOS
6 TT
26 hynes/Davies
41 slider?

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Old mate Bondy used to say if you don't have a top 5ish pick where the elite mids go, next best is an elite half back.

Agree with him there but Pick 3 will nab us an elite mid. As we move up the ladder and our first rounder pushes back to 8 or 9 or whatever, take a half back then

 

[Spod]

Keep 3
Trade F1 for 6 and 41 with GCS
Trade Barrass & F2 for F1 (HAW) & F1 (CARL)
Trade F1 (HAW) for Baker & F2 (RICH)


2024: 3,6,26,41,62,67
2025: R1 (CARL), R2 (RICH), R3, R4

*Still don’t want Baker, but time to accept it’s happening.

Hope that's where the Baker and Barrass trades go but doubt we trade out next year's F1 for no particular reason given the Warner talk and also given that pick 6 seems locked in the Rioli trade.

 

[eaglevision]

Like it.

Could we not get 6 29 for our F1?

Death riding blue will be fun. Cripps

3 FOS
6 TT
26 hynes/Davies
41 slider?

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

I’d ask for 6 and 29 but they are going to have some good offers for that pick as we’ve seen with pick 13 so probably lands on 41.

FOS and TT absolutely, 26-Hynes/Oliver ideally but both probably just gone before that so I’d take O’Farrell or Mraz*.

41-Ough/Barrat/Johnson

62 and 67 probably Champion then positional pick, maybe Stumpf or Dennis if available remembering both will come in about 15 picks.

 

[eaglevision]

Hope that's where the Baker and Barrass trades go but doubt we trade out next year's F1 for no particular reason given the Warner talk and also given that pick 6 seems locked in the Rioli trade.

All fair points, but GCS are getting sick of Tigers antics. I’d trade it for Tobie and Ough and back us in to rise a couple of spots and get two players a year in advance. Perfectly good counter arguments not to do that though.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Farren Ray, there’s a dude I forgot existed.
Well done

Put these kids into top 4 sides and they look a million bucks. Problem is, top 4 sides rarely have top 10 draft picks. The only recent one that comes to mind is Windsor. Dees somehow snagged a top 10 pick, and with Trac and Fanta could take on an outsider. All the clubs have worked it out - if you don't have a really good midfield, don't bother picking outsiders. Grab them later.

 

[Spod]

All fair points, but GCS are getting sick of Tigers antics. I’d trade it for Tobie and Ough and back us in to rise a couple of spots and get two players a year in advance. Perfectly good counter arguments not to do that though.

Yeah fair, specifics aside would definitely be a good year to do it.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I know we're pretty set on Liam Baker being worth a second rounder, but what's his actual worth compared to previous trades? Will be 27 all season next year, out of contract and a good player.

Alex Neal-Bullen will be 29 all season next year, is a worse player than Baker and went for a second rounder this year.

What small players (not talls) at the same age, ability and contract status have been traded in the last few years and what did they go for?

Not worried about circumstances of team trading in too much. Just trying to compare apples to apples.

So good player (not great), 26 turning 27 at time of trade and out of contract. Go.

I would argue Neal-Bullen had a better year this year than Baker did
He gone for pick 28 as that was what Crows had and he worth a second rounder
I would rank him around 30 to 35
Baker around 25 to 30

 

[Bender_]

Aaron. Fiora.

 

[DigUpStupid]

Good night big footy, get your rest, big day of melting tomorrow xx

 

[Bacchus]

If we trade pick 3

there's no jagga
there's no SID
there's no FOS

etc

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We need a gun inside or balanced mid and they are in the top six.

All very well to say 2 for 1 but we will miss out on precisely what we need ie an elite midfielder.

Our club has regularly tried to be too smart with pick splitting with limited success.

There are no shortcuts to a quality list - quality talent + quality development.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

We need a gun inside or balanced mid and they are in the top six.

All very well to say 2 for 1 but we will miss out on precisely what we need ie an elite midfielder.

Imagine there was no flight risk....

Sheezel or Ginbey and Hewett

I'm taking Sheezel every time. You got to find those guys you can build a side around, and every time you split a pick, you reduce your odds.