List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[eaglespremiers]

Again, you need to look at the points factor, the only metric which we have to determine somewhat objective value.

 

[Mop]

Yep. Forget the small change, 90% of the deal is swapping #3 for #8. To trade #3, my limit is any pick 6 and better, and another pick 10 or better. Otherwise, GTFO.

Dude, this is pie in the sky stuff. This is just take Reid territorial. Who is it you actually want at 3? There is a serious and valid argument to be made for splitting if the price is right

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Again, you need to look at the points factor, the only metric which we have to determine somewhat objective value.

8 + 27 = 2254 pts

3 + 63 = 2346 pts

12 + 14 = 2429 pts

So while objectively, yes, Carlton have the better offer and we rejected it outright, we also have to look at objectives.
Carlton's offer wasn't trash per se, just not the best use of our pick

I wouldn't swap #3 for 8 and 10, let alone 8 and 27.

 

[Mop]

It's a stupid system, but the only one we currently have.

 

[eaglespremiers]

It's a stupid system, but the only one we currently have.

It has zero application to us and I can't imagine a single list manager (who is unaffected by matching bids) would consider it before making a trade.
Anyway my point was that the trade proposed by the St Kilda supporter was worse than the purported Carlton offer.
Doesn't your pick calculator corroborate this?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

They can have Witherden as steak knives

Witherden is more one of those shitty wooden knives that replaced plastic knives

 

[Mop]

It has zero application to us and I can't imagine a single list manager (who is unaffected by matching bids) would consider it before making a trade.
Anyway my point was that the trade proposed by the St Kilda supporter was worse than the purported Carlton offer.
Doesn't your pick calculator corroborate this?

How many list managers do you know though?

I don't dispute it, yes, Carlton's offer was better, I'm merely arguing the point that while pick 12 and 14 sounds crap, for teams with no leverage it is - objectively - fair. Trades don't need to be fair, but we have one tool to measure "objectivity" in the eyes of the AFL and this is it.

I'd just add that IIRC the AFL threatened to intervene or did intervene in a trade that was too lopsided in points, but the finer details escape me. It was probably a Gold Coast trade.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Also I doubt we'd consider pick 8 unless we were comfortable with missing out on the first tier of midfielders in this draft.
As we need a midfielder at our first selection I'd be very surprised if we were prepared to move down to 8.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Dude, this is pie in the sky stuff. This is just take Reid territorial. Who is it you actually want at 3? There is a serious and valid argument to be made for splitting if the price is right

I said in my post: Smith, Draper, Sully. I'd trade #3 if we were getting a pick back that was inside 6: Lalor, Smillie, Langford.

Who's going to give us a top 6 pick and top 10 pick? Dees will have 5 and 9. They're not going to do it because 5 and 9 is better than 3. Same with Saints 7 and 8. I'm probably not even doing that deal.

On the subject of Reid, I was in the "just take him" basket because North were never going to cough up 2 and 3.

 

[Mop]

Also I doubt we'd consider pick 8 unless we were comfortable with missing out on the first tier of midfielders in this draft.
As we need a midfielder at our first selection I'd be very surprised if we were prepared to move down to 8.

So, to be clear on where you stand, you're anti split?

 

[Mop]

I said in my post: Smith, Draper, Sully. I'd trade #3 if we were getting a pick back that was inside 6: Lalor, Smillie, Langford.

Who's going to give us a top 6 pick and top 10 pick? Dees will have 5 and 9. They're not going to do it because 5 and 9 is better than 3. Same with Saints 7 and 8. I'm probably not even doing that deal.

On the subject of Reid, I was in the "just take him" basket because North were never going to cough up 2 and 3.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to use the pick at near all costs as long as there is an actual plan, I'm just actively trying to avoid this thread being an echo chamber so many other threads on other boards become where people unironically expect stupid trades (See the North Melbourne thread about us accepting 3 and scraps for 1 last year as prime example).

Don't feel singled out, I'm almost playing devil's advocate - as per last year I'm open to the few scenarios.


Baker for a first round pick isn't one of them though. Can't drink that kool aid.

 

[eaglespremiers]

So, to be clear on where you stand, you're anti split?

Not necessarily, and pick 8 would suit me if we pick Tobie Travaglia (due to my own personal biases towards picking him).
My point was simply that I suspect if we are in discussions with St Kilda for a trade of pick 3 we will insist on pick 7 as we'll be likely to have one of Draper/Langford/Smillie available to us.
I doubt at pick 8 we'd have the same certainty.

 

[Mop]

Not necessarily, and pick 8 would suit me if we pick Tobie Travaglia (due to my own personal biases towards picking him).
My point was simply that I suspect if we are in discussions with St Kilda for a trade of pick 3 we will insist on pick 7 as we'll be likely to have one of Draper/Langford/Smillie available to us.
I doubt at pick 8 we'd have the same certainty.

Yeah boy, can get my head around this.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Yeah boy, can get my head around this.

I'm not certain he's the best prospect at that pick, however, due to my interactions with him on basically a weekly basis over the last six months I certainly would prefer we select him, because I've seen his character and the way he acts off the field with his teammates and the coaching staff and I have the utmost respect for how he has gone about his year and taking all opportunities he had available to him this year. Ditto James Barrat.

 

[stallon]

We already have Hall and Hewett to bring into the midfield mix next year, we can afford to delay a year on taking another top pick mid. Cant bring in that many kids at once.
Other parts of the ground are just as important than a strong midfield mix

The whole "need a mid at pick3" idea is outdated tbh

 

[Mop]

I'm not certain he's the best prospect at that pick, however, due to my interactions with him on basically a weekly basis over the last six months I certainly would prefer we select him, because I've seen his character and the way he acts off the field with his teammates and the coaching staff and I have the utmost respect for how he has gone about his year and taking all opportunities he had available to him this year. Ditto James Barrat.

You clearly have more skin in the game than us drafttime armchair experts who watch a few youtube highlights - do you see him ever cracking the midfield full time, or is his future best defined as an attacking "quarterback" type?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to use the pick at near all costs as long as there is an actual plan, I'm just actively trying to avoid this thread being an echo chamber so many other threads on other boards become where people unironically expect stupid trades (See the North Melbourne thread about us accepting 3 and scraps for 1 last year as prime example).

Don't feel singled out, I'm almost playing devil's advocate - as per last year I'm open to the few scenarios.


Baker for a first round pick isn't one of them though. Can't drink that kool aid.

I wouldn't want to swap past pick 6 and 10. No one is doing that swap this year. Just pick the best available and hope you get a Rolls Royce. Build team around Harley, #3, OO. Don't forget Hewett. I think he'll be an A-grader.

 

[Schtinker]

Again, you need to look at the points factor, the only metric which we have to determine somewhat objective value.

8 + 27 = 2254 pts

3 + 63 = 2346 pts

12 + 14 = 2429 pts

So while objectively, yes, Carlton have the better offer and we rejected it outright, we also have to look at objectives.
Carlton's offer wasn't trash per se, just not the best use of our pick

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

We already have Hall and Hewett to bring into the midfield mix next year, we can afford to delay a year on taking another top pick mid. Cant bring in that many kids at once.
Other parts of the ground are just as important than a strong midfield mix

The whole "need a mid at pick3" idea is outdated tbh

Cool, let's get a half back flanker.

Unless there's a standout KPF, you have to take a ball-winning mid. You don't choose any other player with a top 3 pick.

 

[Lazzas]

We already have Hall and Hewett to bring into the midfield mix next year, we can afford to delay a year on taking another top pick mid. Cant bring in that many kids at once.
Other parts of the ground are just as important than a strong midfield mix

The whole "need a mid at pick3" idea is outdated tbh

Hewett may be a busy, Hall may not be AFL standard. If the Eagles split then the first pick wouldn't be a mid would be Tobie Travaglia. Followed by Langford. Otherwise it would be horrendous.

 

[stallon]

Cool, let's get a half back flanker.

Unless there's a standout KPF, you have to take a ball-winning mid. You don't choose any other player with a top 3 pick.

Well im assuming we split and get pick 6/7/8 + Baker+something else

Whitfield was pick 1 btw, hes the exact type of player we need

 

[CountryLad]

First point.

Baker is worth a pick in the teens because our list manager said so. Everyone knows what Baker is worth because it was publicly stated.

Second point

I agree with those that are saying he’s not worth that and we should offer a second round pick for him but go back to the first point.

Third point

If we use pick 3 in a deal for Baker the club would more than likely be looking at a top 10 pick and one in the teens. Now that pick in the teens would be traded to the tigers because guess what. Read the first point.

Fourth point.

The only other reasonable option the club has is it uses some of what it gets for TB but the Hawks are being campaigners and have so far only offered pick 14 which was knocked back. Then traded.

It’s miles off the popular view in here that TB is worth a top 10 pick or two first rounders. It feels like this deal goes till late in the trade period which means it’s unlikely to be used in a deal for Baker.

Fifth point
I don’t see how Matt Clarke comes out of this looking great and there will be some serious melts on this board because read point two, Three and Four.

That’s all folks.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

We already have Hall and Hewett to bring into the midfield mix next year, we can afford to delay a year on taking another top pick mid. Cant bring in that many kids at once.
Other parts of the ground are just as important than a strong midfield mix

The whole "need a mid at pick3" idea is outdated tbh

Obviously I hope both go well this year, but neither are the best insurance right now with Hall developing and as yet questionable at the level and Hewett having played only 14 games so far

 

[Schtinker]

First point.

Baker is worth a pick in the teens because our list manager said so. Everyone knows what Baker is worth because it was publicly stated.

Second point

I agree with those that are saying he’s not worth that and we should offer a second round pick for him but go back to the first point.

Third point

If we use pick 3 in a deal for Baker the club would more than likely be looking at a top 10 pick and one in the teens. Now that pick in the teens would be traded to the tigers because guess what. Read the first point.

Fourth point.

The only other reasonable option the club has is it uses some of what it gets for TB but the Hawks are being campaigners and have so far only offered pick 14 which was knocked back. Then traded.

It’s miles off the popular view in here that TB is worth a top 10 pick or two first rounders. It feels like this deal goes till late in the trade period which means it’s unlikely to be used in a deal for Baker.

Fifth point
I don’t see how Matt Clarke comes out of this looking great and there will be some serious melts on this board because read point two, Three and Four.

That’s all folks.

If we split 3 for 6 and 13 Richmond would still want 6. Let the Dockers have Baker for 11. Lets keep 3 and trade it draft night for something worthy of our time.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Well im assuming we split and get pick 6/7/8 + Baker+something else

Whitfield was pick 1 btw, hes the exact type of player we need

The sum of an infinite amount of role players will never equal your top tier players (Daicos, Neale etc). So swapping #3 with another pick and Baker is a terrible idea.

I love Whitfield as a player, but would never choose a player like him with a top 10 pick. He's an outsider. And we don't need a player like Whitfield over a Dawson, Daicos, Heeney type. You don't worry about your outsider and flankers until you have your engine and KPP sorted. You pick them up when your on the way up the ladder and have pick 10-15.