List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[stavro#4]

How would you feel about pick 7 instead of pick 8 in the above deal?

No from me.

We are the ones giving up the main picks to facilitate this crap show

 

[eaglevision]

You get Baker and 8 for 3 and a token F3.

Pretty fair when you were considering moving 14 for Baker

Our F3 is not token if you understood our draft strategy next year. We should be looking to get them whilst they are devalued, not be trading them out.

 

[stavro#4]

I wouldn’t swap 3 for 6 and Baker, let alone that.

Then you quite clearly overrate the value of this in this specific draft.

It isn’t top loaded.

It’s even throughout that top 9-10

 

[eaglevision]

Then you quite clearly overrate the value of this in this specific draft.

It isn’t top loaded.

It’s even throughout that top 9-10

No. You overrate Baker.

 

[stavro#4]

No. You overrate Baker.

Your club wanted to shift p14 for him

Not me

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Your club wanted to shift p14 for him

Not me

Not sure that's correct - he's worth a late first rounder/early second at most

 

[DanWCE]

Then you quite clearly overrate the value of this in this specific draft.

It isn’t top loaded.

It’s even throughout that top 9-10

If it's even throughout that top 9-10 then why not give us 7 instead of 8? Makes no difference to you

 

[stavro#4]

Not sure that's correct - he's worth a late first rounder/early second at most

Whats your definition of late?

Because there should be 3 bids before 14. Which makes it 17

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Honestly i think a lot less is being leaked and the media is just jumping at any silly sitation to give it air time.

How dare you suggest that

 

[sharps24]

Can we at least get one of the Rotham and Culley trades done today or tomorrow? Would both be pretty huge story's, every bit as big as the Darling and Neal-Bullen trades from earlier in the year you'd think.

 

[DanWCE]

Your club wanted to shift p14 for him

Not me

The media wanted us to. Haven't seen anything from West Coast saying that was our plan.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Pick 10 for Baker? Are you high?

Yea! On my shit list !

 

[stavro#4]

If it's even throughout that top 9-10 then why not give us 7 instead of 8? Makes no difference to you

Because in this proposal we are the ones taking on the risk shifting 8 and a future first.

Your splitting 3,Landing Baker & staying in the top 10.

 

[6285sutto]

Hey BOND 007 or WCE_phil

Just want to understand a very simple issue

What is it with Clarke and his fixation on Baker.

The current AFL media and entourage seem to be on the ban wagon that Baker is worth the same as Barrass.

Let me recap this scenario


Baker is an out of contract, very good team player though undersized Jack of All Trades who is not elite at anything but being a decent guy who supported the Eagles as a kid and brought his mate over as a FA.

v's

Barrass has 3 years to run on a LT contract and recognised as one of the best 10 KPD in the competition with the industry realising in recent years just how valuable they are to a team


A trade of Barrass trade for a F1 and a F2 for a F3 going back is adequate but not with a great premium. This trade is not really the issue. The problem is that Clarke is so fixated on Baker that he is likely to pass on the F1 for Baker.

I am just hoping that Baker and Bolton end up at Fremantle. Whilst I would like to add Baker, Clarke’s fixation and green behind the ears approach to trades appears to be scuppering our draft position.

I am happy to take input or a clear rational reason but as it stands today, we on the outer are confused and angry.

PM me if you can arrange a link up with Matty if he is open to input

I can help explain this.
Please read the 111 pages on the Richmond board why Clarke is fixated on Baker.

 

[ronpingwins]

Your splitting 3,Landing Baker & staying in the top 10.

It's not popular but I suspect this is our goal

 

[Yeahnahmate]

All I know is our list is still pretty much the same and I’ve installed 7 Rheems in that time

 

[stavro#4]

It's not popular but I suspect this is our goal

Sure beats 3 for sure 12 & 14.

Anyway. Was just a hypothetical whilst we all wait for the Rhino to bend our clubs over

 

[Obeanie1]

Whitfield and Hodge are different players. In hindsight, you'd take Hodge at 1 nearly every time. But he was drafted as a ball winning mid. Whitfield was also drafted as a mid. In hindsight, you'd take him high. But without knowing what he'd become, he's an outsider. Don't spend top 10 picks on outsiders. if you do, you'll lose more than you win.

What pick would you be happy to use to draft a James Hird?

Toby Green?

Peter Matera?

None of them are inside players.

Would a top 10 pick be a waste on "outside" types those?

 

[eaglevision]

Your club wanted to shift p14 for him

Not me

I didn’t say Clarke wouldn’t trade 3 for 6 and Baker, I said I wouldn’t trade 3 for 6 and Baker so that’s irrelevant.

 

[stavro#4]

I didn’t say Clarke wouldn’t trade 3 for 6 and Baker, I said I wouldn’t trade 3 for 6 and Baker so that’s irrelevant.

I’d argue what you want is irrelevant and what was put infront of you is very fair.

If that’s your mindset - your going to be disappointed either way by COB Wednesday.

 

[Obeanie1]

Make up your mind, dude. Do you want a mid or a HBF?

Hodge was both.

Yeo was both.

Zorko was moved to half back and won a flag.

No reason why TT can't be a defender / mid.

 

[CountryLad]

Offer up Ashton Moir, then maybe we'll consider it.

Moir is steak knifes and probably of the plastic type. We need a top 10 pick back in if splitting

 

[eaglevision]

I’d argue what you want is irrelevant and what was put infront of you is very fair.

If that’s your mindset - your going to be disappointed either way by COB Wednesday.

What a stupid comment when the purpose of this exercise is for posters to discuss their opinions.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Whats your definition of late?

Because there should be 3 bids before 14. Which makes it 17

We also have 26 - early second. Done.

We have never owned pick 14, so we've never had the opportunity to trade it.

Media attributed pick 14 to WCE as part of the Barrass trade because it's what Hawks had. Hawks don't have it anymore. Barrass is also worth much more than 17.

Media assumed that we would have pick 14, and considered that was close enough to what Baker's worth to give Richmond a monster first round draft hand.

WCE have never wanted to do anything with pick 14

 

[KBLT]