List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Hoping the saints are involved .

It was reported we were speaking to them and the only reason would be they want pick 3

▪︎Wce 3 + 62 for 7 + 14 + owies
This is very close to the pick 2 for 8 and 12 we did 2 years back but this is a stronger draft

▪︎Saints 7 + 8 + 27 for 3 + 12
4 spot upgrade for a 4 spot downgrade + 27

▪︎Carlton 12 + 14 + owies for 8 + 27 + 62
Move up the draft order and pocket picks for the father sons

 

[stallon]

Well Carltons 2 picks would be ball park for pick 6, so if we assume its 12+14 for 6
Then how does Carlton get from 6 to 3?
Owies worth nothing. Kennedy? Carroll?

West Coast do 3+f2 for 6+Baker
Carl send Carroll to wce for wcef3

Kennedy is worth pick 30ish?
12+14 equal to 6 roughly?

Carlton send 12+14+Kennedy+wcef3 for pick 3 from Richmond?
Rough equivalent value is 6+30+f3 for 3

Eagles - Split 3 and some future picks for 6+baker+depth players. We should get future picks from Barrass to replace what we spend here
In: 6+Baker+Carroll+Owies
Out: 3+f2+f3

Carlton - Get 3 for everything
In: 3
Out: 12+14+Kennedy+Carroll+Owies

Richmond - Get a big body utility/mid, and an extra 1st rounder to diversify their kids in the deep draft.
In: 12+14+Kennedy+wcef3
Out: 6+Baker


We take 6+26+Champion in the draft(unless we buy in again with Barrass picks). Add Graham, Baker, Owies and Carroll as depth. Lets us keep Burgiel or Culley, or buy another pick with something from the Barrass deal instead.

Is this roughly even for all parties?

Who says no?

There are definitely trades that keep us in the top 10 of the draft. Basically relies on Carlton trading 12+14 for another pick(6/7/8/etc) and giving us that pick, then paying up with whatever they can scrounge up to upgrade that pick to 3

 

[Spod]

Well Carltons 2 picks would be ball park for pick 6, so if we assume its 12+14 for 6
Then how does Carlton get from 6 to 3?
Owies worth nothing. Kennedy? Carroll?

West Coast do 3+f2 for 6+Baker
Carl send Carroll to wce for wcef3

Kennedy is worth pick 30ish?
12+14 equal to 6 roughly?

Carlton send 12+14+Kennedy+wcef3 for pick 3 from Richmond?
Rough equivalent value is 6+30+f3 for 3

Eagles - Split 3 and some future picks for 6+baker+depth players. We should get future picks from Barrass to replace what we spend here
In: 6+Baker+Carroll+Owies
Out: 3+f2+f3

Carlton - Get 3 for everything
In: 3
Out: 12+14+Kennedy+Carroll+Owies

Richmond - Get a big body utility/mid, and an extra 1st rounder to diversify their kids in the deep draft.
In: 12+14+Kennedy+wcef3
Out: 6+Baker


We take 6+26+Champion in the draft(unless we buy in again with Barrass picks). Add Graham, Baker, Owies and Carroll as depth. Lets us keep Burgiel or Culley, or buy another pick with something from the Barrass deal instead.

Is this roughly even for all parties?

Who says no?

This is pretty complicated but would be okay. Is our F2 evaporating here? Would keep one of our F2 or F3 ideally.

 

[Quinz]

Laundry services across the city on high alert tonight. Folding and sheet drying services may be disrupted for some time, please plan ahead.

 

[Dale Doback]

2 x Picks in the late teens is a lottery. We've got an All Australian Premiership winning Fullback contracted for 3 more years who we developed, and we're supposed to just hand him over for 60 cents on the dollar? F%ck no. We have to take the Jerry Reinsdorf position like he did with Pippen. You signed the contract, don't come back to me when you want more.

 

[maverick001]

Hearing we're also getting 24 and 51 off Richmond and we're throwing a F2 and F4 in so I think the full deal looks a little better.

How is that better?

 

[Yeahnahmate]

There are definitely trades that keep us in the top 10 of the draft. Basically relies on Carlton trading 12+14 for another pick(6/7/8/etc) and giving us that pick, then paying up with whatever they can scrounge up to upgrade that pick to 3

They really want FOS so could be plausible

 

[Dylan82]

This is pretty complicated but would be okay. Is our F2 evaporating here? Would keep one of our F2 or F3 ideally.

I'd say the contingency is with the expectation of the T.Barrass trade providing additional future picks.

 

[Euro Star]

This would have to be after the Rioli and Bolton trades. I don’t like it but could rationalise it. There is no way Carlton end up with pick 3 after handing over 12, 14 and Owies - we could easily find a better deal than that for 3. Even the below looks favourable for Carlton.

West Coast
Out: 3, 26
In: 10, 14, Baker, Owies

Carlton
Out: 12, 14, Owies
In: 6

Richmond
Out: Baker, 6, 10
In: 3, 12, 26

 

[Yeahnahmate]

I'd say the contingency is with the expectation of the T.Barrass trade providing additional future picks.

If this all goes where we (in the minority it seems) suspect with us starting at pick 6 after Richmond deal Rioli - I’m actually thinking we could be doing what I wanted and shifting 3 for 6++. So curious now

 

[stallon]

This is pretty complicated but would be okay. Is our F2 evaporating here? Would keep one of our F2 or F3 ideally.

Sorry, its meant to go to Richmond. Roughly 3+f2 for 6+baker, Tigers already have 7 picks up before 25 here, so they might prefer a future 2nd rounder.
Tigers get slight overs here but helps make up for dropping from 6 to 12+14

 

[BartBart]

There will be no way the Eagles will be yielding any substantial value for Owies, he will just be steak knives. He is only worth a pick in the 50's at best.

They rejected an offer, and now are looking likely to accept it because (an out of contract & likely to be delisted) Owies was added to the deal.

 

[stallon]

They really want FOS so could be plausible

Relies on Stk or Richmond downgrading their pick 6/7/8 to 12+14. I think both would be interested tbh, especially the Saints

 

[Yeahnahmate]

This would have to be after the Rioli and Bolton trades. I don’t like it but could rationalise it. There is no way Carlton end up with pick 3 after handing over 12, 14 and Owies - we could easily find a better deal than that for 3. Even the below looks favourable for Carlton.

West Coast
Out: 3, 26
In: 10, 14, Baker, Owies

Carlton
Out: 12, 14, Owies
In: 6

Richmond
Out: Baker, 6, 10
In: 3, 12, 26

Carlton want 3 pretty bad and we don’t mind a slight slide though to expand our subsequent draft strength. I think we are getting pick 6 in all this. If so, I don’t hate it

 

[stallon]

This would have to be after the Rioli and Bolton trades. I don’t like it but could rationalise it. There is no way Carlton end up with pick 3 after handing over 12, 14 and Owies - we could easily find a better deal than that for 3. Even the below looks favourable for Carlton.

West Coast
Out: 3, 26
In: 10, 14, Baker, Owies

Carlton
Out: 12, 14, Owies
In: 6

Richmond
Out: Baker, 6, 10
In: 3, 12, 26

If Carlton trades us Carroll for a f3, and they value Kennedy at 30ish, could 6+Kennedy+wcef3 get them pick 3 from Richmond? I think it might.
Kennedy as a big body might suit them, and our f3 would help them jump up the order again next year

 

[stallon]

I'd say the contingency is with the expectation of the T.Barrass trade providing additional future picks.

Yeah, hawks only have future picks so I think thats a guarantee. As long as it does get done of course

 

[Jupes]

just think about how much good will we are building with richmond and carlton for possible future trades

 

[maverick001]

I knew something like this could be possible when the gobshite blurted out what he thought Baker was worth on the first f..king day of trade period.

Am not looking forward to the particulars of this trade at all... Way too big a downgrade

I long for the days when we might just have traded 14 for Baker

 

[ronpingwins]

Carlton want 3 pretty bad and we don’t mind a slight slide though to expand our subsequent draft strength. I think we are getting pick 6 in all this. If so, I don’t hate it

I see we’re into the bargaining stage of grief

 

[BartBart]

Signing off for the night...
Let's pray that the trade is not as bad as it f**king seems.

It's bloody Reverse Xmas Eve... where we dread what we are going to wake up to.

 

[stallon]

Well Carltons 2 picks would be ball park for pick 6, so if we assume its 12+14 for 6
Then how does Carlton get from 6 to 3?
Owies worth nothing. Kennedy? Carroll?

West Coast do 3+f2 for 6+Baker
Carl send Carroll to wce for wcef3

Kennedy is worth pick 30ish?
12+14 equal to 6 roughly?

Carlton send 12+14+Kennedy+wcef3 for pick 3 from Richmond?
Rough equivalent value is 6+30+f3 for 3

Eagles - Split 3 and some future picks for 6+baker+depth players. We should get future picks from Barrass to replace what we spend here
In: 6+Baker+Carroll+Owies
Out: 3+f2+f3

Carlton - Get 3 for everything
In: 3
Out: 12+14+Kennedy+Carroll+Owies

Richmond - Get a big body utility/mid, and an extra 1st rounder to diversify their kids in the deep draft.
In: 12+14+Kennedy+wcef2+wcef3
Out: 6+Baker


We take 6+26+Champion in the draft(unless we buy in again with Barrass picks). Add Graham, Baker, Owies and Carroll as depth. Lets us keep Burgiel or Culley, or buy another pick with something from the Barrass deal instead.

Is this roughly even for all parties?

Who says no?

Yep I like this, going to assume we are getting Travaglia, a KPD, Champion, Baker, Graham, Owies, and Carroll this offseason. Culley and Burgiel can fight to the death for the last list spot

Completely fixes our depth, and gives us run from half back.
Go into next year with an extra f1 linked to the Hawks. Get Warne with our 1st pick then young Curtin with the hawks f1. Then 2-3 NGA kids

We are back

 

[BartBart]

Yep I like this, going to assume we are getting Travaglia, a KPD, Champion, Baker, Graham, Owies, and Carroll this offseason. Culley and Burgiel can fight to the death for the last list spot

Perfect year to bring in players through trades rather than the draft.

 

[maverick001]

You could have had 8 + Stk F1st.. or one of Finn O'Sullivan/Jagga Smith

If that was offered........it's clearly better than 12+14+Owies
FFS what is wrong with this club

 

[stavro#4]

Hoping the saints are involved .

It was reported we were speaking to them and the only reason would be they want pick 3

▪︎Wce 3 + 62 for 7 + 14 + owies
This is very close to the pick 2 for 8 and 12 we did 2 years back but this is a stronger draft

▪︎Saints 7 + 8 + 27 for 3 + 12
4 spot upgrade for a 4 spot downgrade + 27

▪︎Carlton 12 + 14 + owies for 8 + 27 + 62
Move up the draft order and pocket picks for the father sons

Carlton is getting pick 3.

There is no trade we are getting involved with to Salvage this all time shit show from you blokes.

Should have sent the hypothetical I posted earlier to your club

 

[stallon]

Perfect year to bring in players through trades rather the the draft.

Look it is what it is at this point haha. Carroll leaving gives Carlton the assets to get 3 in some sort of reasonable way, unless Young leaves instead.

Actually cancel Carroll.
Carlton buys pick 3 with 6+Kennedy+Young.
Richmond have some mature age players again

Trade our hawks f1 into this year for 18/20 and draft Hynes

Add Travaglia, Hynes, a KPD, Champion, Baker, Graham, Owies and then Culley/Burgiel fight to the death.