List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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Astro7 said:
He also said he was excited at the prospect of playing with Baker. (but he is only 19)
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Think he's referring to a third Reid that's in this year's draft cohort.
 
Wooshaaaa said:
For me...witherden rotham and Edwards go.

Burgeil and Culley stay.

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Isn't Culley slow? What does he offer in a faster paced team? He is another midfield option (depth) and he only played limited time there, but wasn't so impressive re footy smarts and swervability, more bash n' crash.
 

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Ruben Grubarb said:
I've read somewhere that Reid has says he doesn't want to move. Not sure if true or not.
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If he's not signed by the mid year bye i'll be worried. Preseason, 6 rounds of footy and then onto the contract that he should show he deserves. Geelong at the end of this contract would happily throw 10 years and 15+ mill at him at even close to current rate of improvement. He'd be back in Victoria but not in the Melbourne fishbowl. The club simply must put a contract worth signing in front of him within a few weeks of the main season starting if he has a good preseason.

Also honestly people don't think the club had every crack at Free agents?

Would you have given Cumming a 6 year deal or Perryman a 7 year deal? I sure as shit wouldn't have. A 4 year deal for Cumming and 5 years for Perryman at most.

6 year deal for Cumming for an already injury prone player takes him through till 32. 7 year deal for Perryman takes him through till 33.

Oh and chews 1.6+ mill of contract space.
 
Wooshaaaa said:
Culley should be developed to play the backup Yeo role of inside hard ball gets mid. He also adds some versatility into the forward line if we lose some height through injury.

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He can't as he is not good enough and does not have the talent to play it.
 
WCE_phil said:
If he's not signed by the mid year bye i'll be worried. Preseason, 6 rounds of footy and then onto the contract that he should show he deserves. Geelong at the end of this contract would happily throw 10 years and 15+ mill at him at even close to current rate of improvement. He'd be back in Victoria but not in the Melbourne fishbowl. The club simply must put a contract worth signing in front of him within a few weeks of the main season starting if he has a good preseason.
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Any chance you could give us some good news? Or is it all just a shitshow?
 
WCE_phil said:
If he's not signed by the mid year bye i'll be worried. Preseason, 6 rounds of footy and then onto the contract that he should show he deserves. Geelong at the end of this contract would happily throw 10 years and 15+ mill at him at even close to current rate of improvement. He'd be back in Victoria but not in the Melbourne fishbowl. The club simply must put a contract worth signing in front of him within a few weeks of the main season starting if he has a good preseason.

Also honestly people don't think the club had every crack at Free agents?

Would you have given Cumming a 6 year deal or Perryman a 7 year deal? I sure as shit wouldn't have. A 4 year deal for Cumming and 5 years for Perryman at most.

6 year deal for Cumming for an already injury prone player takes him through till 32. 7 year deal for Perryman takes him through till 33.

Oh and chews 1.6+ mill of contract space.
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Yep they were both massive overpays
 
greatwhiteshark said:
He can't as he is not good enough and does not have the talent to play it.
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This. He's a state league centreman. He just doesn't have the natural inside instinct to make up for his deficiencies playing midfield imo.

Shit he may make a great state league FF too. But he's too slow to play as a lead up forward at AFL level in the modern game.
 
WCE_phil said:
If he's not signed by the mid year bye i'll be worried. Preseason, 6 rounds of footy and then onto the contract that he should show he deserves. Geelong at the end of this contract would happily throw 10 years and 15+ mill at him at even close to current rate of improvement. He'd be back in Victoria but not in the Melbourne fishbowl. The club simply must put a contract worth signing in front of him within a few weeks of the main season starting if he has a good preseason.

Also honestly people don't think the club had every crack at Free agents?

Would you have given Cumming a 6 year deal or Perryman a 7 year deal? I sure as shit wouldn't have. A 4 year deal for Cumming and 5 years for Perryman at most.

6 year deal for Cumming for an already injury prone player takes him through till 32. 7 year deal for Perryman takes him through till 33.

Oh and chews 1.6+ mill of contract space.
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Attracting talent to your club is dependent on 2 things. Winning games of footy and seeing yourself part of something.

This is why winning more games next year and signing reid are top priority.

Simmo said in that podcast multiple A grade players enquired about coming to play with Harley. But that won't happen unless he stays for a sizable time.

While I agree a 10yr offer should be touted, I would be happy if he was to at least commit to free agency. That would give us until 2030 (I think) to continue building the list to finals footy level.

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A few folks talking about "sustained success" and not being happy with one flag.... but then bagging the club for knowing where we're at. Obviously that's the eventual goal, but have some of you missed the last couple of years? We're an uncompetitive team with standards that have dropped through the floor. This needs rectifying BEFORE anything else.

A couple of new players to help the new coach (and coaching group) drive some better standards is a good move imo

Making us a semi competitive football team again and somewhere players (including draftees) want to come and more importantly stay. Its not much fun getting pounded by 10+ points 6-8 times a year.

And as a 30+ year member, it would be nice to actually enjoy going to the footy again with some hope most weeks
 

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WCE_phil said:
This. He's a state league centreman. He just doesn't have the natural inside instinct to make up for his deficiencies playing midfield imo.

Shit he may make a great state league FF too. But he's too slow to play as a lead up forward at AFL level in the modern game.
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Sorry if I missed this but you mentioned speaking to a few Fremantle players, are you able to expand on this yet and as part of the cage rattling was any consideration given to the ruck?
 
eaglespremiers said:
In the long run for us here on BigFooty this is probably going to be the worst part.
Due to the trade of pick 3 this year, while Clarke remains at the helm, we cannot push back against any trades proposed about West Coast citing them as "nonsensical" or "unreasonable" and that such offers will never be accepted by West Coast under any circumstance.
West Coast have set the precedent. We now know what will be acceptable to West Coast and that standard is very low.
Rather than responding "you can't be serious" or "come back to reality" our response will just have to be "I hope the club's not that stupid" or a shrug
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Yeah agree, I'm pretty much expecting the worse outcomes at the moment and anything less then that is a bonus.
We do love a good pick downgrade, its almost like we value top end picks less then any other clubs.

Thinking about it, have we ever traded picks to move up the draft order or just down? Can't think of any examples of us doing a pick swap the other way.

Can think of plenty of downgrades.
GCS pick swap
Sheed downgrade
Xavier O'Neill downgrade
Chesser Downgrade
Ginbey downgrade
2024 Pick 3 downgrade
 
Wooshaaaa said:
Culley should be developed to play the backup Yeo role of inside hard ball gets mid. He also adds some versatility into the forward line if we lose some height through injury.

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I like Culley and especially his attitude however after watching him this year, I noticed he is very flat footed around the contest. Not just slow speed but he is never on the move. So even when he reads the play and wins the ball hes too flat footed to get away.
 
diknik said:
Hey WCE_phil, are Clarke's deficiencies as a negotiator (and any potential others) clear to the Eagles hierarchy, and if so, are they willing and going to do something about it?
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I couldn't believe Clarke's interview. He said because Barrass was contracted his position through the whole saga was that it was up to Hawthorn to come to him with a deal.

Now, i am no expert on negotiations. I have been part of some negotiations in the business world and done negotiating courses paid for by previous employers. And the first thing they will teach you on such a course is if you have the leverage in a negotiation then you control and drive the process and your priorities and objectives get addressed first. And you are the price maker, not the price taker. The first price sets the price range negotiation parameters for the deal and you are the person who sets it.

He is saying he did the opposite. He is saying that because he had all the leverage (i.e. Barrass was contracted) he ceded all control of he process to Hawthorn, allowed them to get their objectives prioritised and be the price maker and he just trusted that they would come back with a price he would be be happy with. Which obviously they didn't. They got Barrass committed emotionally to going and then low balled us.

He also failed to take into account who he was putting his trust in. The dominant figure on the other side (Mitchell) is a hyper competitive, hyper aggressive, risk taking boundary pusher who also has a strong streak of a***hole in his personality. I loved him as a player, he is maybe the best coach in the league, but lets be honest about his personality. Thats who he is. If you were ever going to be dumb enough to cede control and put your trust in another party in negotiation a person like Mitchell is the last person you would be doing it with.

What an idiot. The man knows literally nothing about negotiating and he does it for a living.
 
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