List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
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  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
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  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[mat11]

Players drafted at pick 3, some absolute gems, but probably close to as many busts as pick 12
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Looking at that, as long as it's a mid and not a kpp it's a safe bet

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[Broken_Chairs]

It was obvious we were going to get fleeced from that very first press conference.


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We were screwed before the press conference. From Rhino's intel - we sought out Baker, he was keen but wanted Richmond to get a first rounder for him and we accepted that. That's the bloody committment Clarke keeps going on about.

Clown town.

 

[Jupes]

we won't have pick 12 after bids.

 

[Shueygod]

Richmond’s most talented kid currently on their list is Gibcus.

The fact you’ve quoted us losing Sheed shows you actually know **** all.

Wouldn’t trade Reid for 1 and 6, 11 and 12 cancel out leaving Richmond with Gibcus, Mcauliffe, 10, 18, 20, 23.

Compared to Ginbey, Hewett, Hough, Long and the 15 other kids we have.

Hilariously bad take.

briztoon, why just the laugh react and no response? Can you tell me which parts you disagree with, obviously I haven’t even counted the extra f1 and f2 we have next year.

 

[Bender_]

The oracle has spoken.

I think you mean orifice.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Appreciate the effort here - Though I suspect this is measuring "What does SEN value in a player" rather than who are the "best" players/how do clubs value players

A few things:

• Firstly, Chad Warner isn't in the top 65 players? No Issac Heeney?
• What year does this list of 65 relate to - best players drafted between 2012-2024? It must include 2024 because Reid and McKercher are in there - so it accounts for emergening form yet no Hogan or Waterman after the season they just had? Jed Walter is in, wtf??
• Very curious about the field positon of each player - on face value looks like it skews to rating mids. I might be wrong, but i'd like to see a list that balances all positions more evenly.
• Why is the list broken down as it has been? 1-5, 6-13 and then 14 to 64? Fine break down the top 5 or 10, but why not rank the rest based roughly on draft order, e.g. first round, second round, third round? Or 1-10, 10-20, 20-30, 30-40, 40+

Be nice to see a similar assessment based on a higher value categorisation of players rather than a SEN opinion piece - Games played (150/200+ games is pretty good measure of a good player), AFLPA MVP vote list, Coaches Association votes, or even Chamption Data (albiet biased).

Anecdotally we all know it - the chance of getting a decent player is higher at earlier picks, because you have the pick of the litter. I just don't think your %'s is anywhere close to being accurate.

Spot on.
Also, Finn Callaghan twice, Max King, Oliver (not in 24), could go on....

The whole point of earlier picks increases your chances of a gun is pretty obvious, I'm not sure why the figures need to be fudged so badly

But getting a bad case of deja vu..

 

[ghostbat12]

Clarke: Hey Sydney, what you want for Warner?

Sydney: 1xtop 5 pick, 1x top 10 pick

Clarke: No, I think we can only offer 2 x top 5 picks

Sydney: Sure about that?

Clarke: OK here is 3 x top 5 picks.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

In cuckoo land if you think Essendons doing that deal. Theyd definetly demand Hawks F1st and then get it too

You continue to show ignorance. Whatever they get the likely have to give up. Sydney need points in 2025

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Richmond’s most talented kid currently on their list is Gibcus.

The fact you’ve quoted us losing Sheed shows you actually know **** all.

Wouldn’t trade Reid for 1 and 6, 11 and 12 cancel out leaving Richmond with Gibcus, Mcauliffe, 10, 18, 20, 23.

Compared to Ginbey, Hewett, Hough, Long and the 15 other kids we have.

Hilariously bad take.

Hard to see Richmond doing anything but a hard slide.

Retire: Grimes, Martin, Naismith, Pickett

Trade: Rioli (27), Baker (27), Graham (26), Bolton (25)

Continuing: Lynch (31), Prestia (32), Nankervis (30), Vlastuin (30), Broad (31), McIntosh (30),

Below:
Short (28), Hopper (27), Miller (25), Taranto (24), Balta (24), Cumberland (23), Ralphsmith (22), Gibcus (21),

 

[bzparkes]

Hard to see Richmond doing anything but a hard slide.

Retire: Grimes, Martin, Naismith, Pickett

Trade: Rioli (27), Baker (27), Graham (26), Bolton (25)

Continuing: Lynch (31), Prestia (32), Nankervis (30), Vlastuin (30), Broad (31), McIntosh (30),

Below:
Short (28), Hopper (27), Miller (25), Taranto (24), Balta (24), Cumberland (23), Ralphsmith (22), Gibcus (21),

Yep, Richmond are in for a massive world of hurt.

 

[Godfather32]

It seems incredible to me that in the middle of a rebuild, we have a draft that's supposedly one of the deepest in years and we have f**k all picks in it. And not only do we have f**k all picks in it, we're actually contemplating using a list spot on a guy like Rotham who's done absolutely nothing to show that he's an AFL level player for the last 6 or 7 years.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Appreciate the effort here - Though I suspect this is measuring "What does SEN value in a player" rather than who are the "best" players/how do clubs value players

A few things:

• Firstly, Chad Warner isn't in the top 65 players? No Issac Heeney?
• What year does this list of 65 relate to - best players drafted between 2012-2024? It must include 2024 because Reid and McKercher are in there - so it accounts for emergening form yet no Hogan or Waterman after the season they just had? Jed Walter is in, wtf??
• Very curious about the field positon of each player - on face value looks like it skews to rating mids. I might be wrong, but i'd like to see a list that balances all positions more evenly.
• Why is the list broken down as it has been? 1-5, 6-13 and then 14 to 64? Fine break down the top 5 or 10, but why not rank the rest based roughly on draft order, e.g. first round, second round, third round? Or 1-10, 10-20, 20-30, 30-40, 40+

Be nice to see a similar assessment based on a higher value categorisation of players rather than a SEN opinion piece - Games played (150/200+ games is pretty good measure of a good player), AFLPA MVP vote list, Coaches Association votes, or even Chamption Data (albiet biased).

Anecdotally we all know it - the chance of getting a decent player is higher at earlier picks, because you have the pick of the litter. I just don't think your %'s is anywhere close to being accurate.

Cool. Do your own however you see fit. Let me know if you result varies by more than 10% of mine.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Are Gerryen and Livingstone similar type of player?

Gerreyn is a better ground ball player. Livingston is a better aerialist. Both excellent around the ground.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Spot on.
Also, Finn Callaghan twice, Max King, Oliver (not in 24), could go on....

The whole point of earlier picks increases your chances of a gun is pretty obvious, I'm not sure why the figures need to be fudged so badly

But getting a bad case of deja vu..

Exactly my point - it's obvious. Yet Skid Mark Clarke doesn't seem to know. Bro just shit himself.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Hard to see Richmond doing anything but a hard slide.

Retire: Grimes, Martin, Naismith, Pickett

Trade: Rioli (27), Baker (27), Graham (26), Bolton (25)

Continuing: Lynch (31), Prestia (32), Nankervis (30), Vlastuin (30), Broad (31), McIntosh (30),

Below:
Short (28), Hopper (27), Miller (25), Taranto (24), Balta (24), Cumberland (23), Ralphsmith (22), Gibcus (21),

They're going to have the North Melbourne problem - lots of talent, but all too young. If you can get through it, you hit pay dirt. But they will be bottom 1 for a few years.

 

[Elite Pete]

We were screwed before the press conference. From Rhino's intel - we sought out Baker, he was keen but wanted Richmond to get a first rounder for him and we accepted that. That's the bloody committment Clarke keeps going on about.

Clown town.

Rhinos intel is not great these days.

Willie was staying. We knocked back 12 & 14 ect.

He’s just going off what Pyke and Clarke have already said which is exactly that. Baker and manager wanted a commitment we could get the right deal before say yes to us.

Good player but paying that price and other teams would’ve known that and our hands were tied. Why Hawks knew we were desperate for 14 and called out bluff.

Some Journos are saying we preferred future (no idea why).

Now we have a heap of futures and not much this year and will be forced to trade Harley next year if he doesnt sign on. Can’t trade him for picks in the Tassie draft or when he’s OOC. Connors management have said this period what the difference is when in and OOC.

Cal even weirdly mentioned it on Gettable for next year and how trades will be easier for stars and named the possibilities of Warner, Kosi and maybe Harley if we wants to go home and Essendon will have 4 first round picks to play with now. At least need 1 more year extension from him to keep this going on the right direction.

Trying to trade out Harley while ideally trying to trade in Warner wouldn’t go well for Clarke

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

phantom drafts:

 

[Off Tap]

Yep, Richmond are in for a massive world of hurt.

I called it in the Richmond tanking thread that they won't win a game next year.

Sure, they'll Bradbury someone but they have lost 3/5 B&F winners and the other 3 top players from the count are 32, 33, 33 next year.

2025, 2026 and 2027 are going to be dark, dark days. Good.

 

[amazingjoshy]

For no reason at all but just coz, the 2024 AA team and their draft picks. Can't remember what the deal was with the GWS underage/mini draft thing

Blakey (pick 10)
Weitering (1)
Ryan (66)
Zorko (47)
Gov (Rookie)
Houston (rookie)
Gulden (32)
Bont (4)
Daicos (4)
Warner (39)
Cameron (GWS underage recruit)
Heeney (18)
Waterman (77)
Hogan (2, mini draft)
Moore (67)
Gawn (34)
Cripps (13)
Serong (8)
Whitfield (1)
Neale (58)
Treloar (under age selection)
Butters (12)

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

We'll get about 14 or 15, depending where Cakehole gets drafted. I don't think it looks great. Those players around 14/15 don't look in the same league as the top 8 or 9.

 

[amazingjoshy]

phantom drafts:

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Geez they're not kidding when they say it's even...

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Trying to trade out Harley while ideally trying to trade in Warner wouldn’t go well for Clarke

Kerry will burn the city down, with the whole city's blessing.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Yep, Richmond are in for a massive world of hurt.

I'd still prefer their situation with a massive draft coming up, and 3 flags instead of just 1 lol.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Geez they're not kidding when they say it's even...

Twomey's one is a bit different at the top end. He's got Langford at 2 or something. The players every wants are out of reach, unless there is a slider.

 

[bzparkes]

I'd still prefer their situation with a massive draft coming up, and 3 flags instead of just 1 lol.

You won't be saying that in 10 years though.