List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Schtinker]

I was getting my Giants mixed up - I meant Preuss, ya Slag! I suspect you knew that anyway

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

So are those 3 worth taking in the second round as opposed to taking Dennis much later?

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It's a great question and tough choice...
Personally, I think all the start of their ranges are from around our pick 26.

Someone like Mraz could really slide because of his injury (navicular foot injury) but he's 199cm athletic beast with good skills. Could be around where Dennis goes.

O'Farrell had his injuries but just a high quality footballer and think he'll go in the 30s.

Barrat likely go earliest, 20 to 35.

So with that in mind, at our pick 26 I'm going to use the old take best available at 26 as I think there will still be some real talent on the board at that pick. Hynes, Moraes, Gross, Oliver I'd have top 20 in other draft years.

Then use some future picks on one of the above if they go past 35. Mraz I'd hold off on until past 42, just worry about his injury but a pick past there is definitely worth the risk.

 

[mattyc75]

It's a great question and tough choice...
Personally, I think all the start of their ranges are from around our pick 26.

Someone like Mraz could really slide because of his injury (navicular foot injury) but he's 199cm athletic beast with good skills. Could be around where Dennis goes.

O'Farrell had his injuries but just a high quality footballer and think he'll go in the 30s.

Barrat likely go earliest, 20 to 35.

So with that in mind, at our pick 26 I'm going to use the old take best available at 26 as I think there will still be some real talent on the board at that pick. Hynes, Moraes, Gross, Oliver I'd have top 20 in other draft years.

Then use some future picks on one of the above if they go past 35. Mraz I'd hold off on until past 42, just worry about his injury but a pick past there is definitely worth the risk.

Cheers mate
Just on moraes, are his skills by foot as bad as I've been reading in other threads?
He's slid a fair bit this year

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[Mop]

It's a great question and tough choice...
Personally, I think all the start of their ranges are from around our pick 26.

Someone like Mraz could really slide because of his injury (navicular foot injury) but he's 199cm athletic beast with good skills. Could be around where Dennis goes.

O'Farrell had his injuries but just a high quality footballer and think he'll go in the 30s.

Barrat likely go earliest, 20 to 35.

So with that in mind, at our pick 26 I'm going to use the old take best available at 26 as I think there will still be some real talent on the board at that pick. Hynes, Moraes, Gross, Oliver I'd have top 20 in other draft years.

Then use some future picks on one of the above if they go past 35. Mraz I'd hold off on until past 42, just worry about his injury but a pick past there is definitely worth the risk.

I trust your wisdom.


Jamieson.
I had thought he was a likely miss, until one of his efforts earlier in the season.
I reckon there's an outside chance he pulls off a Jake Waterman-esque surprising resurgence. Just a gut feel after watching him train and in games.


Am I crazy?

 

[Schtinker]

Personally I think Ginbey bulked up too much over the last off-season just like Rowell did in his 1st season. I think if he can work on his running and trim a little he'll become a much more rounded player this season. Really looking to see the progress Hall makes over the pre-season. Would love to see him given a lot more time learning from Yeo. "Hutch" on the other hand will just shine. Has Junkyard Dog traits (not the latter version).

 

[Mop]

Personally I think Ginbey bulked up too much over the last off-season just like Rowell did in his 1st season. I think if he can work on his running and trim a little he'll become a much more rounded player this season. Really looking to see the progress Hall makes over the pre-season. Would love to see him given a lot more time learning from Yeo. "Hutch" on the other hand will just shine. Has Junkyard Dog traits (not the latter version).

Ginbey just needs to eat grass like Rowell. He'll be right then.

 

[Schtinker]

Ginbey just needs to eat grass like Rowell. He'll be right then.

Isn't that the start of how Cousins career ended?

 

[Schtinker]

How many list spots do we actually have? Will we medically retire Luke Edwards before the draft or wait until after the draft and take a train on player?

 

[OldBlueEagle]

I wonder if we have done a deal with Ricmond as part of Baker deal to get back in draft around 18 to 24. F2 & F3 for 24 points line up.

 

[Mop]

How many list spots do we actually have? Will we medically retire Luke Edwards before the draft or wait until after the draft and take a train on player?

All signs point to wait for the AFL, probably a train on / SSP gig.

 

[Godfather32]

I wonder if we have done a deal with Ricmond as part of Baker deal to get back in draft around 18 to 24. F2 & F3 for 24 points line up.

If we have why wouldn't the trade already been done

 

[ArdentEagle]

Learn how to post a meme properly, ya silly old fart

 

[javaguice]

I'm glad we don't have pick 3 because the draft is even

I'm glad we traded to get Kelly then missed out on Warner

I hope we trade out of next year's draft to get Warner instead of going hard at the draft and developing our own players

I would rather pay overs for players that want a cushy contract

We have become a ****ing pleb team

 

[eaglevision]

How many list spots do we actually have? Will we medically retire Luke Edwards before the draft or wait until after the draft and take a train on player?

I very much hope he is retired/delisted before the draft. If that’s the case we’ll have six main list spots and one rookie spot. I hope we can generate two more national draft picks in the 2R, one with Essendon and one with Richmond. Maric may be moved to the main list to make it 5 and 2 spots respectively.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Hutchingtonson is the one I'm most excited about as well. In his first game you could see he was gassed and his disposal was lesser because of it and he was just one step off the pace but you could see he was making almost good position a tonne of the time and putting all his effort he had into every contest.

That performance with no AFL pre-season was super impressive and he only got better. With a proper pre-season or two I think we're going to have a serious player if we can retain him.

 

[javaguice]

Hutchingtonson

?

 

[We_The_West]

The draft board is put together and an overall rankings as well as later draft pick plans for types of players are put together. The whole recruiting team has input and the list manager has no say.

I'll purely be there to look at things from a data analysis perspective in regards to live trades and the cost of potential buy in if a player that is highly rated by the club slides or if the club is in a position whereby they are happy with any of 3-4 players at a pick they have and another team wants to climb.

In the event that a top prospect slides down the 1st round to our pick 12, what sort of deal would WC look at to trade that pick yet stay in the current draft. Sydney's pick 19 & 44?

If TT and Lindsay are gone by our 1st pick, I would be okay sliding back to add another pick in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Thoughts?

 

[We_The_West]

Let's consider a glass half full approach:

1. We take 4 picks in 2024 and bring in 2x DFAs (e.g. Carroll and DGB)
2. We medically retire L.Edwards

That would leave us with 27 players on the list aged 23 and under - plenty of young players to get games and development into. Looking at these numbers makes me feel a little better about bringing in Graham, Baker and Owies.

Given how obsessed the clubs are with the depth of this draft, I see a lot of potential live trades happening on draft night. I think WC would be well placed to slide their first 2 picks back a few spots if there's an opportunity to bring in additional future picks. The Clay Hall example comes to mind with Richmond getting a F3 to move back a couple of spots.

The 2025 draft is predicted to be the most compromised by NGA/FS in recent memory. The corresponding value changes of draft picks is going to make 2nd and 3rd round picks even more valuable to clubs looking to match bids of their NGA talent.

Sydney may get excited seeing our range of picks, and we can be as easily excited by the thought of A.Sheldrick and the Warner Bros. all being OOC and wanting to come to WC.

Also nicely placed to land Starcevich as a FA next year - another big bodied Def/Mid

 

[Schtinker]

Learn how to post a meme properly, ya silly old fart

 

[Obeanie1]

Hotton has that Daicos/Sheezel body shape and style of play. Not sure how his skill level compares to them though. If he can accumulate like they do then he would be perfect for us.

Sure. If he hadnt done an ACL.

 

[Obeanie1]

If we have why wouldn't the trade already been done

True.

Only legit reason is Tigers still cutting players (yesterday) so still determining list spots.

Tigers may be making a play for pick 2.

Once done and list spots clarified they get back to us with a yes / no on any pick swaps.

 

[Obeanie1]

Trading for 9,10,11 likely costs our F1 as a minimum. We might need to add some steak knives

I’d rather be patient because that F1 will give us a chance at someone like Rodriguez or Swadling or it becomes a central piece of a trade for Warner

We made a blue trading pick 3, let’s not exacerbate it by getting less than full value for our F1 pick

HF1st plus a 2nd would land 10 or 11 IMO.

If we are trading in Warner is using our F1st on a trade really the best use of that pick?

What the club feels there will determine if we trade our F1st.

If we dont get something decent for our F1st then we dont offer it.

 

[eaglevision]

True.

Only legit reason is Tigers still cutting players (yesterday) so still determining list spots.

Tigers may be making a play for pick 2.

Once done and list spots clarified they get back to us with a yes / no on any pick swaps.

In the unlikely event of Travaglia making it past St Kilda at 8:

OUT: 12, F2 (WCE), F2 (HAW)
IN: 10, 24, F3 (RICH)

Tobie, Hynes/Gross and a pick for Banfield. Would look slightly better for Richmond with the potential Essendon swap.

Trade with ESS (before Kako bid)
OUT: F2 (HAW), F3 (WCE)
IN: 28, 31

Trade with ESS (after Kako bid)
OUT: 26
IN: F2 (ESS)

Trade with RICH
OUT: 12, F2 (WCE), F2 (ESS)
IN: 10, 24, F3 (RICH)

2024: 10, 24, 28, 31, 73

2025: 3, 12, 37, 49
3-(WCE F1)-Rodriguez
12-(HAW F1)-Curtin
37-(RICH F3)-Banfield
49-(HAW F3)-Walley

 

[Wooshaaaa]

In the unlikely event of Travaglia making it past St Kilda at 8:

OUT: 12, F2 (WCE), F2 (HAW)
IN: 10, 24, F3 (RICH)

Tobie, Hynes/Gross and a pick for Banfield. Would look slightly better for Richmond with the potential Essendon swap.

Trade with ESS (before Kako bid)
OUT: F2 (HAW), F3 (WCE)
IN: 28, 31

Trade with ESS (after Kako bid)
OUT: 26
IN: F2 (ESS)

Trade with RICH
OUT: 12, F2 (WCE), F2 (ESS)
IN: 10, 24, F3 (RICH)

2024: 10, 24, 28, 31, 73

2025: 3, 12, 37, 49
3-(WCE F1)-Rodriguez
12-(HAW F1)-Curtin
37-(RICH F3)-Banfield
49-(HAW F3)-Walley

We are going to need 2 picks in the 20s.!

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[Dark Sharks]

Jamieson.
I had thought he was a likely miss, until one of his efforts earlier in the season.
I reckon there's an outside chance he pulls off a Jake Waterman-esque surprising resurgence. Just a gut feel after watching him train and in games.

Am I crazy?

Yes.

For starters Waterman was a solid player and played his role in the AFL team even before his AA season.

Jamieson is still yet to really even do that. Waterman at WAFL level was a class above, any nuffie could see how playing him as the deep forward unlocked the absolute best out of him, yet he was always going to be 3rd or 4th banana behind JK, Allan and Darling. Meanwhile, you don't walk away from a Beagles game and think "Gee Jamieson had a big impact".

I think just getting Jamieson healthy and having him play KPD for the Beagles for when we need him is a win in itself. The bloke has legit been injured for a good half of his career. It's not Fraser levels, but being on WCE list for going on 6 seasons for a total of 17 games to this point is a fair effort from him and his manager.

That said, Jamiesons 4 games he managed at the start of this year before he died, was arguably hist best stretch of footy for his whole career. He was fairly decent and certainly didn't disgrace himself as a defender.