List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[SumaGodCoach]

If Jon Ralph is right(LOL), we better not give Richmond Hawthorn's F1 for Baker. That would be a disgrace. We should either keep the F1 or try and turn it into GC's pick 12 tied to WB.

 

[ep2018]

No chance Hawks give us two firsts for Barrass, even if we send them a second back. Best case is 13 + 30 or F2 you'd think.

 

[mat11]

Bakers a good player but i doubt either us or freo are going to bend over backwards for him. I think the deal hinges on what Richmond get for shai because they know they have zero leverage with him(baker). If rich get overs like 9 + 10 for shai they will prob let us get Baker for cheap if not he'll end up at freo. I find it a bit weird now that baker hasn't nominated either freo or us, to me that says a lot. I think we can rest easy knowing 3 and 13 are completely off limits (as it should be) in any trade for baker much to Ralph's disappointment

 

[Jupes]

i'm firmly in the '3 is untouchable' camp but beveridge on trade radio saying we still think bolton is a possibility. wondering what that could look like.

3 + Hawks F1 for bolton, baker and 6?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Port replacing Houston with Cumming and a first rounder (what they get in trade for Houston) wouldn’t be the worst result for them if Houston is set on leaving

Except Cumming got on the park 6 times this year including 2 finals!! Meanwhile Houston played 22 and would have been more if not suspended.

If, and a big IF, Cumming gets his body right, a great piece of business. Time will tell

 

[Barrybran]

Am I the only one who doesn't want anything to do with Matt Kennedy?

Kennedy is a list clogger of the highest degree. Fold the club if we go there.

I'd rather Sheed taking midfield minutes than this plodder, and I want Sheed leading the huddles at WAFL games. Kennedy is missing games through injury as much as Sheed too it seems.

Not only are his career stats in general worse than Sheed's, Kennedy is not one spoken about for his leadership or capacity to mentor younger players on the track. At least Sheed is spoken really highly of by his teammates about his footy brain and mentorship. I understand the free agent with leadership appeal in Graham, but Kennedy would cost draft picks and bring nothing of the sort.

What can Kennedy do that we wouldn't get from younger kids on our list with some potential for improvement? I know a lot of people here have written off Culley since his ACL but surely even these folks would see more potential to improve than someone like Kennedy. Give me the fourth rounder with some potential to develop instead of this potato.

Kennedy played 23 games this year for a finals team, is better than many of the players we'll be delisting, and will be cheap. Not likely that we'll be going after him with Baker likely to join but if we were to pick him up for say an F3, that would be a solid move.

 

[Cuzz09]

TB and F3 for Haw 1st and F1

Do it

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[Barrybran]

So now Jon Ralph is saying that 2 x R1 for Barrass + F2 gets done.

Optics look like too much but it is really a slight pick slide in 2025 and the Hawks R1 this year is not enough

Now we can watch the slimy little trurd start writing that pick 13 is the answer to Baker getting done. You can take the punt out of Punt Road but he is still a punt

All the upside is with us. We can use the pick or trade it. Can we do better? Possibly. But I'm taking it and running.

Ralphy's motive however would be to get Richmond's hands on Hawthorn's F1, which we may well do if it came as Hawthorn F1 for Baker + 29 (3, 13, 23, 29 this year without compromising next year's hand).

 

[Keys]

Kennedy played 23 games this year for a finals team, is better than many of the players we'll be delisting, and will be cheap. Not likely that we'll be going after him with Baker likely to join but if we were to pick him up for say an F3, that would be a solid move.

Whilst it’s true Kennedy played 24 games this year (which is a career high eclipsing the 17 he played in 2022), Carlton were smashed by injuries so he arguably played more games than would otherwise have been the case

He’s also 27 so at the high end of the mid range age bracket we’d like to boost

Not saying we shouldn’t ask if he’s interested in a move but there’d be others ahead of him if we can get them

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Except Cumming got on the park 6 times this year including 2 finals!! Meanwhile Houston played 22 and would have been more if not suspended.

If, and a big IF, Cumming gets his body right, a great piece of business. Time will tell

He has been reliable injury wise prior to this year. It happens. Hopefully he's right going forward as he's a good player to watch.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Whilst it’s true Kennedy played 24 games this year (which is a career high eclipsing the 17 he played in 2022), Carlton were smashed by injuries so he arguably played more games than would otherwise have been the case

He’s also 27 so at the high end of the mid range age bracket we’d like to boost

Not saying we shouldn’t ask if he’s interested in a move but there’d be others ahead of him if we can get them

Kennedy has the following issue at Carlton. Cripps, Hewett, and even Newman are all vying for similar roles, as the slightly slower crash and bash player. They can't play them all in the midfield, that's why Newamn get shuffled to half back, and Kenenedy forward. He wouldn't have that issue in our midfield if we get rid of the plodders, and he goes in there to be a hard nut.

 

[WCEConnor23]

Riley and Cal mentioning again today clubs rate picks between 5-10 pretty much equal to picks 1-4. It's a shame about Murphy Reid otherwise i honestly think we would slide back from 3 to 6 for Baker assuming that's what GCS pay for Rioli. There's still a chance it could happen if we're really keen on Lalor but it seems unlikely. To slide back from 3 to 6 one of FOS, Draper, Langford or Lalor would have to be available.

 

[Boohemian]

Of course St Kilda are into Jack Macrae.

St Kilda is the destination club for players being put out to pasture.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

No chance Hawks give us two firsts for Barrass, even if we send them a second back. Best case is 13 + 30 or F2 you'd think.

Ah, the black hole, the master of gloom and doom has awoken and spoken.

 

[bUCKET__]

You want Sheed to play Inside Mid instead of Kennedy which is his preferred position?

Kennedy has also played all over the ground this year and quite well.

Oh and he also played all 24 games this year which is the same as Sheed of course.

I want neither, if you bothered to read properly. One plodder on the list is enough. Why do we need another?

He's not played well, he's a fringe player who clearly doesn't have the backing of coaches to follow any specific role in the midfield: so he gets the last spot on a flank when they wanted a big body or the sub vest. He's had multiple chances to play his "preferred position" at two clubs and never got to do either cos he is not good enough at it.

If you wanna ignore the various injuries he's sustained across his whole career that's fine too I guess.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

All the upside is with us. We can use the pick or trade it. Can we do better? Possibly. But I'm taking it and running.

Ralphy's motive however would be to get Richmond's hands on Hawthorn's F1, which we may well do if it came as Hawthorn F1 for Baker + 29 (3, 13, 23, 29 this year without compromising next year's hand).

Not a bad offer - Baker + 29 for Hawks F1.

If we think the Hawks will be top 4, a very good deal. I rate this year's draft higher than next year but that may change.

That said, I like the idea of death riding the Hawks with a F1

 

[TOA.]

I want neither, if you bothered to read properly. One plodder on the list is enough. Why do we need another?

He's not played well, he's a fringe player who clearly doesn't have the backing of coaches to follow any specific role in the midfield: so he gets the last spot on a flank when they wanted a big body or the sub vest. He's had multiple chances to play his "preferred position" at two clubs and never got to do either cos he is not good enough at it.

If you wanna ignore the various injuries he's sustained across his whole career that's fine too I guess.

The sad thing is that our list and midfield is in such a dire state that he could still add something. By rights, if we were half decent, he wouldn't.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Kennedy has the following issue at Carlton. Cripps, Hewett, and even Newman are all vying for similar roles, as the slightly slower crash and bash player. They can't play them all in the midfield, that's why Newamn get shuffled to half back, and Kenenedy forward. He wouldn't have that issue in our midfield if we get rid of the plodders, and he goes in there to be a hard nut.

Kennedy is the slow bullocking bull on the inside. That means he and Cripps do not go well together. It is really a choice of Kennedy or Cripps and that is never going to go well for him.

If we got Kennedy, that could free up Yeo to be the attacking defender off HBF and would also mean we can get away with only 2 talls in defence. A clearance team of Harley, Kennedy and Kelly would be OK. Not great but OK. I am expecting we get someone like him or Graham or Parfitt. With Ginbey looking better down back and Hewett questionable, we need a stop gap.

 

[squashface]

Of course St Kilda are into Jack Macrae.

St Kilda is the destination club for players being put out to pasture.

Always lol when a player nominates St Kilda as their preferred destination as you immediately know that they have no interest in winning flags or being at a successful club.

 

[Deepthroat]

Am I the only one who doesn't want anything to do with Matt Kennedy?

Kennedy is a list clogger of the highest degree. Fold the club if we go there.

I'd rather Sheed taking midfield minutes than this plodder, and I want Sheed leading the huddles at WAFL games. Kennedy is missing games through injury as much as Sheed too it seems.

Not only are his career stats in general worse than Sheed's, Kennedy is not one spoken about for his leadership or capacity to mentor younger players on the track. At least Sheed is spoken really highly of by his teammates about his footy brain and mentorship. I understand the free agent with leadership appeal in Graham, but Kennedy would cost draft picks and bring nothing of the sort.

What can Kennedy do that we wouldn't get from younger kids on our list with some potential for improvement? I know a lot of people here have written off Culley since his ACL but surely even these folks would see more potential to improve than someone like Kennedy. Give me the fourth rounder with some potential to develop instead of this potato.

If we could someone offload both Darling AND Sheed it would be our most successful offseason since 2017.

 

[bUCKET__]

The sad thing is that our list and midfield is in such a dire state that he could still add something. By rights, if we were half decent, he wouldn't.

No doubt we'd be more competitive taking on a bunch of delisted spuds, it's dire. But we're looking to build the next premiership list, we can't take every spud that'd make our list of spuds slightly less spudier right?

Here's my wishlist preference; all of these players would offer something more in the midfield than what we're delisting, but we'll be damned if we take more than one:

Clear AFL level improvement:

• Peatling
• Baker (obvs without overpaying)

Borderline 22 / WAFL-level support:

• Graham/Parfitt (as free agent)
• Garcia
• Dev
• Kennedy
• Seb Ross

 

[stallon]

So simmo just revealed on SEN Melbourne that half way through the year, "A grade players were calling the club asking to come to us to play with Harley". Wouldn't elaborate.

Go get em Phil!

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so maybe we do have some big moves in the works

 

[Feeling Groovy]

No doubt we'd be more competitive taking on a bunch of delisted spuds, it's dire. But we're looking to build the next premiership list, we can't take every spud that'd make our list of spuds slightly less spudier right?

Here's my wishlist preference; all of these players would offer something more in the midfield than what we're delisting, but we'll be damned if we take more than one:

Clear AFL level improvement:

• Peatling
• Baker (obvs without overpaying)

Borderline 22 / WAFL-level support:

• Graham/Parfitt (as free agent)
• Garcia
• Dev
• Kennedy
• Seb Ross

The problem is though, unless we start to improve, it may be hard to attract top line talent through free agency and trades and to retain what talent we have. So we need to improve incrementally.

 

[stallon]

Am I the only one who doesn't want anything to do with Matt Kennedy?

Kennedy is a list clogger of the highest degree. Fold the club if we go there.

I'd rather Sheed taking midfield minutes than this plodder, and I want Sheed leading the huddles at WAFL games. Kennedy is missing games through injury as much as Sheed too it seems.

Not only are his career stats in general worse than Sheed's, Kennedy is not one spoken about for his leadership or capacity to mentor younger players on the track. At least Sheed is spoken really highly of by his teammates about his footy brain and mentorship. I understand the free agent with leadership appeal in Graham, but Kennedy would cost draft picks and bring nothing of the sort.

What can Kennedy do that we wouldn't get from younger kids on our list with some potential for improvement? I know a lot of people here have written off Culley since his ACL but surely even these folks would see more potential to improve than someone like Kennedy. Give me the fourth rounder with some potential to develop instead of this potato.

Kennedy is a better mid than Baker or Parfitt or anybody else even vaguely linked to us.
Hes 27, hes 190cm, and hes only on the outer at the blues because they have too many inside mids and they want him to play HFF which he isnt interested in.
He should be right at the top of our list next to Peatling as a defensive inside mid

 

[Happy Mastenator]

So simmo just revealed on SEN Melbourne that half way through the year, "A grade players were calling the club asking to come to us to play with Harley". Wouldn't elaborate.

Go get em Phil!

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Not sure how we add an A Grader, even if the wanted to come, without giving up our first rounder. Unless it's Warner, i'll pass and take the kid that will be good for 10+ years.