List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Altum Volantes]

If the AFL gave out priority picks out would at least creat a situation where clubs can afford to trade something out while others need to trade them in.

Harry, mate, the AFL would NEVER compromise the integrity of the draft by randomly handing out additional picks.

 

[Mop]

This gag is tedious, like you. Please ban yourself

This gag about the other gag is double tedious. Please uppercut and ban yourself.

 

[sharps24]

It doesn’t matter to Mitchell or the Hawks at all what we do with our side of the deal, or how it benefits us down the line.

They made a good deal with Carlton, getting a first and second for 14 (pushed to 16-18), and if the wheels fall off the Blues they made out like bandits.

They get Barrass in the door in either event and have the upside of a really good Blues pick, or at the very least a free second by waiting a year while playing some fairly young contributors every week.

They didn’t do it to screw us, they did it to get better and banked on still being able to get Barrass done, which they can because they turned a mid/late first into a mid late first and a second.

And if they did it to screw us, a team that will be no threat to them whatsoever in the next few years, at the trade off of boosting Carlton in their window, then the tactical nous is zero.

I mean it sounds like you are saying they did a trade in order to give us less by way of picking up an extra something for themselves. And they did it because they reason we won't have a choice but to accept it despite it being far less that what we are comfortable with, because they've successfully convinced our contracted vice captain to leave our club. I could have sworn I already said that.

Don't get me wrong, I admire them for it. Why shouldn't they walk all over us if they know there is basically no limit to the humiliation this club is wiling to endure as long as we get our deals done and keep our promises to players coming or going. Just a normal bit of business by the Hawks because clearly pick 14 is overs for Barrass eh, why shouldn't they trade us out of this draft for a future pick and pick themselves us an extra second in the process? We'd be sore losers to not understand that the Hawks aren't in the "give West Coast what they think is fair for stealing one of their best players" business.

I'd disagree that they don't see doing anything they can to diminish West Coast as a worthwhile endeavour, or see us as being irrelevant to them in the short, medium, or long term. All these big clubs Melbourne clubs will do anything and everything they can to make sure we always heavily lose out in any transaction we have with them. Port and Fremantle see us the same way. There are 5 clubs in the land who are willing to trade on equal terms with us and that's Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide- who all see themselves as being equal to or stronger clubs than us, and GWS and GC- who know that its mathematically impossible for them to lose any trade in the grand scheme of things.

Pick 14 doesn't really do anything for Carltons current window, they aren't rebuilding yet and pick 14 isn't coming in and turning them into a contender next year either. Arguably if they use 12 and 14 to get 3 off of us, which they were probably transparent about as being their aim, then the Hawks have facilitated what would be a huge misstep from us.

Considering how relatively talentless the Hawks list is and that at the start of the year they really were in no better position than us [and probably still aren't] then yeah I think they are far more concerned about us pairing Fin O'Sullivan with Harley, Hewitt, Ginbey, Yeo and Kelly than they are about Carlton potentially getting him.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I mean it sounds like you are saying they did a trade in order to give us less by way of picking up an extra something for themselves. And they did it because they reason we won't have a choice but to accept it despite it being far less that what we are comfortable with, because they've successfully convinced our contracted vice captain to leave our club. I could have sworn I already said that.

Don't get me wrong, I admire them for it. Why shouldn't they walk all over us if they know there is basically no limit to the humiliation this club is wiling to endure as long as we get our deals done and keep our promises to players coming or going. Just a normal bit of business by the Hawks because clearly pick 14 is overs for Barrass eh, why shouldn't they trade us out of this draft for a future pick and pick themselves us an extra second in the process? We'd be sore losers to not understand that the Hawks aren't in the "give West Coast what they think is fair for stealing one of their best players" business.

I'd disagree that they don't see doing anything they can to diminish West Coast as a worthwhile endeavour, or see us as being irrelevant to them in the short, medium, or long term. All these big clubs Melbourne clubs will do anything and everything they can to make sure we always heavily lose out in any transaction we have with them. Port and Fremantle see us the same way. There are 5 clubs in the land who are willing to trade on equal terms with us and that's Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide- who all see themselves as being equal to or stronger clubs than us, and GWS and GC- who know that its mathematically impossible for them to lose any trade in the grand scheme of things.

Pick 14 doesn't really do anything for Carltons current window, they aren't rebuilding yet and pick 14 isn't coming in and turning them into a contender next year either. Arguably if they use 12 and 14 to get 3 off of us, which they were probably transparent about as being their aim, then the Hawks have facilitated what would be a huge misstep from us.

Considering how relatively talentless the Hawks list is and that at the start of the year they really were in no better position than us [and probably still aren't] then yeah I think they are far more concerned about us pairing Fin O'Sullivan with Harley, Hewitt, Ginbey, Yeo and Kelly than they are about Carlton potentially getting him.

Gee whiz. A lot going on there.

They did a trade to benefit themselves by adding a future pick and backing in that they could still get a Barrass deal done with a first and a second.

Not because of some humiliation fetish you seem to have, but because it added draft capital to their hand. Capital that will now come to us given we rejected their initial deal.

They’re not giving us less (reports about what was formally offered varied but a 1 and a 2 with nothing heading back is actually more than the initial reports).

We’re not the main characters of the universe. There’s 17 other clubs trying to do what’s best for them, not benchmarking everything against how the Eagles and the fans will react, or getting one over on us. Every club thinks their list management is crap during Trade Week.

A 1 for a 1 and a 2 is a good deal, most clubs would take that barring the fringe cases of points quirks or win now desperation, and so Hawthorn did. The Barrass deal will get done, and it’ll get done with more coming to us than was reported last week before they bailed on Pick 14.

Hawks fans will say they overpaid, Eagles fans will say they underpaid, truth will be somewhere in the middle and we’ll all move along nicely.

Why shouldn't they walk all over us if they know there is basically no limit to the humiliation this club is wiling to endure

It truly is not that deep.

 

[Coasters7]

Lever also went for 10 and Melbournes F1 (which turned out to be 16 but was valued at 10 at the time of the trade).

Becomes a matter of whether you think 10+10 for a bloke with potential is worth more than an already established star of the game who, is towards the end of his prime, but still well in it, and who could help you take that next step towards a flag.

Carlton F1 and Hawks F1 is more than fair give where they project to be. If either team drops off then tough ****, that’s the game. Projected value would have them both as late firsts next year.

 

[30stm3891]

Over a hypothetical trade posted on the internet that hasn't actually happened?

Eagles have knocked back Hawks again

Barrass F3 for F1F2

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[Shuestar13]

It’s a rather bizarre, fetish is a definite word for it, that some seem to have for the club being soft at the trade table and a ‘long history’ of failures. It was an interesting post the other day about the number of trades clubs have done over a certain period and we were for one, well down the list. I can’t think of many trades that we have outright “failed” at or significantly overpaid. I know the Kelly trade is referenced, but the claim of well and truly overpaying has been debunked by now surely.

Look at our last two premiership teams… the trades we make are generally sound, we have a good reputation and working relationships with the other clubs as a professional organisation should.

But yes, being obstinate and arrogant is a great strategy for sure

 

[THE A5]

This gag about the other gag is double tedious. Please uppercut and ban yourself.

This gag about the other gags that about a different gag is triple tedious. Please double uppercut your self and delete Dark sharks account

 

[Keys]

It’s a rather bizarre, fetish is a definite word for it, that some seem to have for the club being soft at the trade table and a ‘long history’ of failures. It was an interesting post the other day about the number of trades clubs have done over a certain period and we were for one, well down the list. I can’t think of many trades that we have outright “failed” at or significantly overpaid. I know the Kelly trade is referenced, but the claim of well and truly overpaying has been debunked by now surely.

Look at our last two premiership teams… the trades we make are generally sound, we have a good reputation and working relationships with the other clubs as a professional organisation should.

But yes, being obstinate and arrogant is a great strategy for sure

Our trading history is not nearly as bad as some would make out

Review - WCE Trades - A Recent History

Posting this thread here to catalogue trades (in, out and pick swaps) made by West Coast I’ve gone back as far as 2011 and may add earlier trades if I can ever be arsed, but for now it’s from 2011

www.bigfooty.com

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Our trading history is not nearly as bad as some would make out

Review - WCE Trades - A Recent History

Posting this thread here to catalogue trades (in, out and pick swaps) made by West Coast I’ve gone back as far as 2011 and may add earlier trades if I can ever be arsed, but for now it’s from 2011

www.bigfooty.com

But how many times have we won trade week? Is there no end to the humiliation we are willing to endure?

 

[eagles rule]

I can help explain this.
Please read the 111 pages on the Richmond board why Clarke is fixated on Baker.

Let me guess a love triangle or just a school boy crush..


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[Ambrose Burnside]

Our recent trading history has generally been using garbage picks on garbage players.

 

[javaguice]

Don't mind the stalemate.

Club staying strong.

People will whinge if we hold out.

People will whinge if we go early and get less

Love it

 

[The Gtrain]

Just checked out the user name ........mattyc ............right oh.


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just found this gem of a thread, 3rd post seems to check out..

News - IS MATT CLARKE LEAVING

Favourite to replace departed West Coast list boss emerges https://www.zerohanger.com/favourite-to-replace-departed-west-coast-list-boss-emerges-147417/?fbclid=IwAR0540tyb8G_e6aENXhgJGnhZD5PlTgJTp8Ll_0vhp-935b7ESPVClAWiDs

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Ghossein]

huge if true, would bolster our defense and already has good relationships with the playing squad

 

[windows1]

Because according to Twomey, Carlton are "coming hard" for it



With exactly the same offer that we rejected because they literally don't have anything else to offer

looks like the Baker deal falls over….which is a good thing for you I think!

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I mean, this trade period's been no different to any other in recent memory. It's all the obvious deals in the first day or so (Darling) and then posturing from clubs for a week, then in the last couple days they just get the deals over and done with.

It's literally the reason I don't listen to trade radio any more. Too much mental masturbation for a whole lot of nothing.

 

[kranky al]

Lever also went for 10 and Melbournes F1 (which turned out to be 16 but was valued at 10 at the time of the trade).

Becomes a matter of whether you think 10+10 for a bloke with potential is worth more than an already established star of the game who, is towards the end of his prime, but still well in it, and who could help you take that next step towards a flag.

Carlton F1 and Hawks F1 is more than fair give where they project to be. If either team drops off then tough ****, that’s the game. Projected value would have them both as late firsts next year.

That and the fact that not flying every second week is t going to hurt barass’ back

 

[TY24]

But how many times have we won trade week? Is there no end to the humiliation we are willing to endure?

Not sure how anyone could expect us to win trade week when Essendon win it by the length of Flemington every year (just ask them)

And it’s worked wonders on the field for them too!

 

[SumaGodCoach]

huge if true, would bolster our defense and already has good relationships with the playing squad

Who says no?

 

[dajesmac]

huge if true, would bolster our defense and already has good relationships with the playing squad

OUT: Barrass
IN: Barrass

 

[Bender_]

huge if true, would bolster our defense and already has good relationships with the playing squad

If we can somehow land Darling then we can shore-up our key forward and defensive posts for the next decade.

 

[MaxHunt]

So Eagles, in a rebuild, said no to pick 14 on its own. Hawks traded it into a seemingly less talented and more compromised draft and now are offering the results of that trade for Barrass. Did I understand it right?

 

[squashface]

MEGATRADE SCENARIO

West Coast trades Darling to North for a F4, Barrass to Hawthorn for a F3, on trades the F4 to Hawthorn for Barrass and on trades the F3 to North for Darling

Who says no?

 

[Barrybran]

OUT: Barrass
IN: Barrass

Vic media are asking us to add an F3 to the deal