List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

Whose future picks would you have preferred?

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

  • Jai Culley, Alex Witherden and Coby Burgiel delisted






  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

 
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Monocle said:
So the elephant in the room.

Do you rate Baker ?
Are you happy that we gave up 14 for
him?

I actually already know the answer to one of these questions. Just wondering if you will share your thought on both ?

Baker for 14.
That’s the bit that is pissing 😡 😤 😠 most of us off.

Until I see IF AND WHAT we get for Barrass, naively hoping for some more positivity , until then I remain despondent and disappointed, to what we have done this trade period.

Pretty inauspicious start to being List Manager from Clarke IMO.

Oh and another point:

So the Club has been big on its commitment to Baker.

Just wondering where it sits on it’s commitment to its members and fan.

Because I am not see it, with what they have served us up.
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No i'm not happy with Baker for 14. You know that. People also know my opinions on baker.

The club and Richmond have also been ****ed over by the AFL here. That and we were supposed to have future trading 2 years in advance.

Both clubs would have been happy with an extra 200k per year on Graham's contract. Richmond were told it wasn't going to improve their FA pick to tier 3. It was supposed to be Tier 3 compo and our second round pick and the club ended up with both players.

Now that goes through and I think people would be happy with that. Would people still be pissy about pick 12 and 14 for pick 3 in this draft? I don't think so. I would be as pick 14 is 1 pick too late imo. Thanks AFL for sucking st kilda's dick.

I'm pretty sure people can guess who I don't get along with, who is making the largest part of these decisions and it's not myself and who made commitments early when they shouldn't have.

I think people also need to understand just how hard it is to get senior bodies to come to a club deep in the shit and thousands of kilometres away and it has had a major influence on decisions made. You also have to get the players to agree to come to the club. Carlton were always going to offer Owies a contract, it just would have been well unders so no, the club couldn't have taken him as a DFA and with all the smalls Richmond are losing, yes they would have had interest for free in the PSD.

People have seen lots of young highly talented players bodies destroyed by being thrown in the deep end too early at Victorian clubs. Add travel to that and I think people can begin to understand the club just can't select top tier talent and throw it to the wolves.

I'm emotional and pissed off myself, but I really am already pushing the envelope of what I can say already. I may have to come back in here and delete shit again as it is.

Oh and lastly. Yes Freo offered 10,11,18 for Baker and Bolton. Freo so far have stuck to 10 and 18 on Bolton. Now if an easy deal is on the table for 2 players who want to leave back to WA that gets Richmond pretty much everything they want people can guess the reason why those 2 aren't both at Freo.

Apologies I had a lot more written but had to delete.
 
pantskyle said:
We were confident of getting Warner this year if Swans won the premiership, I alluded to it before but industry sources told me Warner was a player Simmo was talking about who wanted to come and play with Reid.

We'll be heavily into Warner next year and we still have the 2025/2026 picks required to get this done.
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Industry sources has cooked me 😂
 
Obeanie1 said:
Four picks inside 30 was our strategy.

We just walked away from that strategy to make Baker feel OK about leaving his old club.

Is this modern wokism worming its way into trade period? We now have to consider the feelings of the poor, poor player who is leaving the club he was drafted by and walking to get a lucrative contract?

So much for asking players to develop a hard edge when the club acts like marshmallows with opposition clubs.
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Wokeism, WTF is that?

Chill out boomer, that is simply PR spin.

The people involved probably thought it was better to make a bad trade than look like they can't make trades happen at all. Basically prioritising looking decisive and seen to be doing things, over actually making calculated beneficial decisions.
 

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I am of the opinion that this may be sponsorship driven.

Pyke would be well aware of sponsors tieing their dollars to performance on field and if we have another year of 5 wins and finish bottom 3 again we start to lose sponsors or the dollars start to reduce.

Baker, owies and Graham may just lift us to 8 wins and stop the rot off field.

It's shit but it's quite possible this is sponsorship driven.
 
Goldfish said:
All the top picks are midfielders... We already have Reid and if we're getting Warner next year, more important to improve the list with talent and depth than another top pick who may take a few years to develop.

(Not sure I agree with this, but I guess we've got to hope for something given this current debacle).
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We needed another mid....a high end mid.... WC shat the bed on this
 
lusheslewis said:
Taking into account what Pyke and WCE_phil have said the trade does make more sense.

Pick 3 (which wouldn't give us the player we really want)

for

Baker, Graham and Pick 12 (hoping a player we're targeting is available there)
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What a load of crap you can pick whoever is available at the pick. ****ing had enough of people trying to spin this to make it sound like its a good thing. It is a shit sandwich. Baker and Graham didn't help Richmond much this year btw
 
Monocle said:
Funny you say that because the very same discussions have been had within my family this morning after being feed the turd 💩 sandwich earlier this morning, with what the Club cooked up with the Baker trade.

Adults were ready to walk but the kids and grandkids, want us to keep the seats.

I have pumped over 50K into this Club over the years and yes, I have got a lot of enjoyment from the Club.
But if I am being honest with you right now, the poor decisions and lack of a vision to get us out of the mire is seriously questioning why I should keep financially supporting the Club.

I was impressed with the start Pyke had made, however this trade week has severely undermined my confidence is his ability to turn us around, as quickly as is going to be necessary before we get snookered in the corner pocket of sustained mediocrity for a decade, when Tasmania come in.

My biggest fear for our list is this, we don’t move the needle anywhere far enough in the next two seasons, to convince HR9 to sign on for another contract.
Lord know all the big VIC Clubs will be fighting for his signature.

I worry because not only is he our best young player, but he is also the franchise marketing pin up boy, that’s necessary to help underpin a teams success and become a destination Club.

We had an opportunity to pair him with a potential A grade midfielder for the next decade, except we traded that pick out for a B grade utility player.

If The Club wants to keep the fans and members engaged in times of poor on field performances, you need to sell them hope.

And it is something the recruiter have just failed to deliver, to by trading out pick 3.

But without hope, it’s hard to stay upbeat and optimistic.
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It seems the club is more interested in being MR Nice guy than getting down and dirty and doing whats best for the future of the club.
Pick 3 like you said brings a young mid to cuddle up next to Harley and lay a foundation for Warner to join the following year and in a short space of time you have the makings of a powerful midfield.

By doing what we have done is saying that we still believe Yeo and Kelly are A Grade mids when they are not.

Look the deal is done now, we will move on and support the team. Baker is a handy player and will certainly drive standards and Owies may be a handy small forward?
Pick 12 we need to land and we have to get warner next year.
Not all doom and gloom, but a day the club should not be that proud of in my humble opinion no matter what spin they put on it.
 
Monocle said:
Funny you say that because the very same discussions have been had within my family this morning after being feed the turd 💩 sandwich earlier this morning, with what the Club cooked up with the Baker trade.

Adults were ready to walk but the kids and grandkids, want us to keep the seats.

I have pumped over 50K into this Club over the years and yes, I have got a lot of enjoyment from the Club.
But if I am being honest with you right now, the poor decisions and lack of a vision to get us out of the mire is seriously questioning why I should keep financially supporting the Club.

I was impressed with the start Pyke had made, however this trade week has severely undermined my confidence is his ability to turn us around, as quickly as is going to be necessary before we get snookered in the corner pocket of sustained mediocrity for a decade, when Tasmania come in.

My biggest fear for our list is this, we don’t move the needle anywhere far enough in the next two seasons, to convince HR9 to sign on for another contract.
Lord know all the big VIC Clubs will be fighting for his signature.

I worry because not only is he our best young player, but he is also the franchise marketing pin up boy, that’s necessary to help underpin a teams success and become a destination Club.

We had an opportunity to pair him with a potential A grade midfielder for the next decade, except we traded that pick out for a B grade utility player.

If The Club wants to keep the fans and members engaged in times of poor on field performances, you need to sell them hope.

And it is something the recruiter have just failed to deliver, to by trading out pick 3.

But without hope, it’s hard to stay upbeat and optimistic.
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One family member has cancelled their membership - all others across the wider family are very upset. Me - cheesed off but hope springs eternal. The bolstering of development staff and coach selection makes sense. We have a young list even though most have established themselves at AFL level.
 

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Bender_ said:
I assume the thought process is after Hawks traded out pick 14 and grabbed 2 x R1 next year, we decided we couldn't get what we wanted this year from them and made the call for short term pain/long term gain by splitting the pick with Carlton and getting Baker. Now we go back to the Hawks and get their picks from next year for Barrass and we use them for Warner next year.
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No, your problem was not being able to convince Tigers that Baker was not worth pick 14. Not even rusted on Tiger fans think that so not sure how the Tiger LM would think that.

Would have had a better deal if you took Hawks F1+F2 offer on table yday morning. Convinced Tigers to take the F1.

Keep the F2 and made deal for 3 for 12+14+Owies.

You end up with 3 for 12+14+Owies+F2

I know you guys are hoping for 2 F1's but will never happen after hawks seeing how the last few hrs has gone. So assume it is still F1+F2 and not anything less.

You end up with 3 for 12+F1+Owies+F2.

Once again reminding all that your problem was giving Tigers anything more than a F1 or late late teens for Baker and not being willing to walk away.

If you held on to 3 by itself, you would have had offers coming through right untill draft night and kept on trading up & build a war chest for Chad warner raid.

Suns converted pick 4 last yr to 6 first rounders since they were patient. Your Baker commitment made you impatient.
 
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Deepthroat said:
Do we think the club has any understanding which decisions caused the current list to be in the position it sat in for the 2024 season?

Answer: 5 years and 3 years. No f*cking understanding.
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The 2025 answer to this question seems to be: Let's give 3 first round picks for Chad Warner. Again No f*cking understanding.
 
Bacchus said:
Unanimous condemnation.

Everyone can see it’s a howler.

I have never seen this degree and volume of whining and complaint.
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Supporters, media, opposition, all in complete and utter disbelief. Unanimous.

You know Pykey, I get this gut feeling you ****ed up hard. Can't quite pinpoint why, but it's a nagging feeling.
 
hawkinoz said:
No, your problem was not being able to convince Tigers that Baker was not worth pick 14. Not even rusted on Tiger fans think that so not sure how the Tiger LM would think that.

Would have had a better deal if you took Hawks F1+F2 offer on table yday morning. Convinced Tigers to take the F1.

Keep the F2 and made deal for 3 for 12+14+Owies.

You end up with 3 for 12+14+Owies+F2

I know you guys are hoping for 2 F1's but will never happen after hawks seeing how the last few hrs has gone. So assume it is still F1+F2 and not anything less.

You end up with 3 for 12+F1+Owies+F2.

Once again reminding all that your problem was giving Tigers anything more than a F1 or late late teens for Baker and not being willing to walk away.

If you held on to 3 by itself, you would have had offers coming through right untill draft night and kept on trading up.

Suns converted pick 4 last yr to 6 first rounders since they were patient. Your Baker commitment made you impatient.
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FO.
 
stallon where do you sit with this?
Just curious as you believe that having more players like baker and Graham off half back are what's required rather than top end miss?

Honestly not having a go just curious if you agree with this trade?
 
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