List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

[Keys]

Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[larrikin]

So best available appears to be a project player.

I reckon the next 6 players picked after Ginbey are better prospects than Ginbey, as well as Brayden George.

Yeah, nah. Well not according to the people who are paid to do this shit. It wasn't just the Eagles that rated him so I think you calling him a stretch without saying the word is pretty misleading. No club was taking many of the next few before Ginbey, so let's not pretend.

If you believe the whole AFL recruitment community are on the wrong path that's a different conversation. I suppose it's a bit easier to be turgent when you are from a fan of a club who got two first rounders catapulted into your club by dumb luck and very little cost

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Waters was the sh8t mixer while Foley gets sh8t mixed

Foley is hardly dishing out any physicality.

Its much easier to dish it out then to take it

With the rules the way they are with the MRO waters would be getting weeks for those hits these days .

Those hits also prematurely ended waters career with all the shoulder troubles and elbow reconstructions

No one is saying Foley is anywhere near as good as Waters but he is the only non tall defender who is both great over head and tough courageous bar hurn who just plays like hurn

 

[RookiePick]

I still love you briztoon

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah, nah. Well not according to the people who are paid to do this s**t. It wasn't just the Eagles that rated him so I think you calling him a stretch without saying the word is pretty misleading. No club was taking many of the next few before Ginbey, so let's not pretend.

If you believe the whole AFL recruitment community are on the wrong path that's a different conversation. I suppose it's a bit easier to be dickish when you are from a fan of a club who got two first rounders catapulted into your club by dumb luck and very little cost

 

[larrikin]

 

[Keys]

The 2022 draft will be a fun one to revisit in 5 years time. The evenness from Essendons pick (5) through to our second pick (13) meant that changing that pick 5 to Bailey had it been traded to Melbourne would have created a ripple effect for a very different looking draft

Ginbey drafted very much on what he’s projected to become moreso than what he’s shown in comparison to those selected around him

Seeing him at training, there’s two things that have stood out to me
1) His frame. He’s going to be a monster when he fills out and he looks capable of having a motor to match
2) He’s a good trainer. Watching him do a fitness drill with the other draftees (a series of run throughs focusing on lateral movement) he made sure to run it through right to the end whereas the others sort of half-assed it the last 5 metres. It’s not much in the grand scheme of things but it shows a willingness to do things properly- it was also noticeable that the others were finishing off better the longer the drill went

So maybe not the most talented but he may well be the best fit for what we needed

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Dude, I like you. You were one of the posters I was referring to yesterday (or this morning) that I like to have a chat with. But, I haven't mentioned my bike. I actually try really hard here not to mention my bike, unless someone specifically asks me.

I have sometimes quick to retaliate.

Here is how I felt after the draft



The briztoon criticising our haul made me feel ...

 

[Kegs15]

First of all Beau Waters

Beau Waters

Age

38

Ht

188cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

11.3

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

6.1

5star

T

2.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.6

4star

was a legend, one of the best on for us in the 2006 GF as a young player (got a vote in the Norm from what I recall when a lot younger than Foley is now), All Australian later in his career. Foley goes in hard sure but no differently to how a lot of decent defenders do - Waters had heart, the sort of heart a few in the league do, the heart that one of the players from everyone's junior career they remember not for being best in the team but being bloody inspiring. I like Foley, I do, but he's not even inspiring enough to be recognised whenever someone on here goes to training to do a report.

Secondly the Ginbey player projection seems obvious, right? We've got him already. Yeo. Hopefully the uninjured version - but athletic beast, natural back flank and probably AA there but too good not to play midfield, hard at it, not polished enough to realistically be one of those top few players in the league but tailor-made to go head to head with those players. The sort of player that can hopefully help drag their team to a premiership but won't necessarily win a Brownlow.

Would I have taken Yeo with pick 9 at it turned out? (And with a second go round at not wrecking him with injuries?). Hell yeah. Despite being a 'project' player my gut tells me that while he's less likely to be the best player in the league he's also less likely to be mediocre than most of the other top 10.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I don’t see the Yeo career path for Ginbey tbh, he doesn’t seem anywhere near as damaging.

I like the Crisp comparison thrown around.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Regarding the "opinions" about Ginbey, I must admit that I was not very enthused about us drafting him over others such as Phillipou who ended up being available at our pick, but after we drafted him I've decided to reserve judgement until he plays but I'm hoping he becomes the inside bull that we need.
I'm starting to come around to the idea that his lack of midfield experience is a positive rather than a negative since he has plenty of scope for improvement as he did quite well in the short time he's been playing in that position.
Obviously there's little point in changing your opinion about him without having seen him play AFL unless you support the club and want to see him do well, but on the other hand there's also no point reiterating that he's not a top 10 talent until he plays as there are plenty of consensus top 10 prospects that end up as a bust.

Even if the club thought that Phillipou or somebody else was the best available player at our first pick you have to take the flight risk issue into consideration. Which is not to say never draft an interstate player with your first pick or anything as dramatic as that. But if you think the player is at the high end of the flight risk spectrum you have to think twice about drafting him and consider your other options. The last thing you want is to invest a high draft pick and 4 years of development into a player and then be put over a barrel in 4 years time and be sitting at the trade table being told "take pick 20 for him or he goes PSD" by some eastern states club.

 

[TerryFilk]

We’ve added Alec Waterman to the WAFL squad, hopefully our WAFL team is actually watchable this season

 

[squashface]

The only good thing to come out of the last few pages is now I'm going to watch some Beau Waters

Beau Waters

Age

38

Ht

188cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

11.3

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

6.1

5star

T

2.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.6

4star

highlights

 

[omgfridge]

The only good thing to come out of the last few pages is now I'm going to watch some Beau Waters highlights

His all aus season was so ****ing good. I mean he was always sensational.

What a legend.

 

[Schtinker]

I don’t see the Yeo career path for Ginbey tbh, he doesn’t seem anywhere near as damaging.

I like the Crisp comparison thrown around.

or fellow Ginga Cameron Ling

 

[Cornelius Roy]

His all aus season was so ******* good. I mean he was always sensational.

What a legend.

I don't care what anyone says, this guy is my favourite eagle of all time.

the courage at 1:35, taking it up to Barry Hall, shit mixing franklin after the cousins hit, the ridiculous hair.

You're a king beau.

 

[3agles87]

So best available appears to be a project player.

I reckon the next 6 players picked after Ginbey are better prospects than Ginbey, as well as Brayden George.

Nice story, but since you are here to discuss our list build, let’s breakdown the six you refer to and Brayden George to see how they fit with our list.

9. Ginbey - big bodied mid with power and speed. Exactly what our list needs.
10. Poo - the poster you responded to said poo was maybe the only one better at that point. Don’t think you will get too many arguments as most of the board appears to have preferred poo, figjam attitude and all. Me included.
11. Hollands. an interesting one, if you take a direct comparison of Ginbey v Hollands as they are different players. But knowing that we now have Hewett, the combination of Ginbey and Hewett feels much better aligned with our needs than Hollands and Hewett.
12.Fletcher. Who cares, was not available to us anyway, so no point in making the comparison.
13. Busslinger. No one has denied the talent, but this is the one area of the list we don’t need more of right now.
14. Hewett. Love that we got Hewett and would have been happy with him at 8. But Ginbey would not likely of slid to 14, and who would have been our next target here?
15. Jefferson. Falls into a much lower priority need list wise, and it is worth waiting 12 more months to see how the key forward we recruited last year (Williams) matures.
26. George. Sure, highly talented. Time will tell how he goes post knee. But let’s not pretend he was in consideration at 9 given the gamble and how many teams found it possible to resist before he was taken at 26.

So Ginbey may be a project player, but your post flippantly suggesting the next six+ were better prospects appears disingenuous when taking account of our actual needs.

 

[Obeanie1]

I don’t see the Yeo career path for Ginbey tbh, he doesn’t seem anywhere near as damaging.

I like the Crisp comparison thrown around.

Maynard and Crisp levels at the Pies is min where Ginbey will end up imo. At a minimum.

 

[Obeanie1]

Even if the club thought that Phillipou or somebody else was the best available player at our first pick you have to take the flight risk issue into consideration. Which is not to say never draft an interstate player with your first pick or anything as dramatic as that. But if you think the player is at the high end of the flight risk spectrum you have to think twice about drafting him and consider your other options. The last thing you want is to invest a high draft pick and 4 years of development into a player and then be put over a barrel in 4 years time and be sitting at the trade table being told "take pick 20 for him or he goes PSD" by some eastern states club.

The Poo may well be better however watching him walk into Saint Kilda and his comments it came across very quickly how immature he is compared to other 1st round draftees. Which is understandable as he is still very young.

So Eagles had a choice the Poo or Ginbey. After another fun trade episode with Port and the Crows flexing their bad arse trade attitude in thepast few years I can see why we went for a bit of a project player but onewith ahigh ceiling and in a position of need.

Of the others mentioned.....meh.

 

[tigger_ferret]

Do you see Foley staying on the list? I am struggling. I sense his slow ball control football has been taught to him and he will struggle with a game at speed. Happy to be proven wrong but at this point he feels like WAFL depth. Like Gaff, he has good endurance but lacks what the new game needs

I agree that Foley looks a likely delist candidate, and slow ball control being taught, as I recall a few of his earlier games he was more attacking and willing to take the game on off halfback.

He may have some potential to surprise us and be solid 22-26 depth type player that is important to a list.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Nice story, but since you are here to discuss our list build, let’s breakdown the six you refer to and Brayden George to see how they fit with our list.

9. Ginbey - big bodied mid with power and speed. Exactly what our list needs.
10. Poo - the poster you responded to said poo was maybe the only one better at that point. Don’t think you will get too many arguments as most of the board appears to have preferred poo, figjam attitude and all. Me included.
11. Hollands. an interesting one, if you take a direct comparison of Ginbey v Hollands as they are different players. But knowing that we now have Hewett, the combination of Ginbey and Hewett feels much better aligned with our needs than Hollands and Hewett.
12.Fletcher. Who cares, was not available to us anyway, so no point in making the comparison.
13. Busslinger. No one has denied the talent, but this is the one area of the list we don’t need more of right now.
14. Hewett. Love that we got Hewett and would have been happy with him at 8. But Ginbey would not likely of slid to 14, and who would have been our next target here?
15. Jefferson. Falls into a much lower priority need list wise, and it is worth waiting 12 more months to see how the key forward we recruited last year (Williams) matures.
26. George. Sure, highly talented. Time will tell how he goes post knee. But let’s not pretend he was in consideration at 9 given the gamble and how many teams found it possible to resist before he was taken at 26.

So Ginbey may be a project player, but your post flippantly suggesting the next six+ were better prospects appears disingenuous when taking account of our actual needs.

Pretty clear that the poster in question is not enormously interested in our team or our list management. From what I've seen they spend most of their time here discussing about their own team or the AFL in general. Or at least that how it looks.

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Hey, that's MY sponsored player. I'll be doing the pants-wetting, thanks.

briztoon you disgraceful kent, stick to giving overused, unfunny jokes a rest and leave the draft forensics to the bigbois. Ginbey is the quickest at training over the last 5 metres and Ashcroft is Brad Dalziell from Wish. Eat a

 

[FKASC]

Mods plz rename thread as ‘dump thread - 2022 off season edition’

 

[Gugs9]

The thing that helps with the Ginbey pick is that the way our pick split and draft fell, it essentially became a free hit.

This time last year if you told us we would have pick 2, hewett would have been a lock for that pick.

We have now ended up with hewett anyway plus ginbey.

 

[Truckosaurus]

So it has been a long time since we got decent Christmas presents and then you come round to tell us that your bike is the best in the neighbourhood and that our presents are second rate compared to little Johnny round the corner. Get the analogy? Hell, you may even be right. But quite frankly - I don't give a sh1t. Let us enjoy our draft, at least for a month or so.

Dude, I like you. You were one of the posters I was referring to yesterday (or this morning) that I like to have a chat with. But, I haven't mentioned my bike. I actually try really hard here not to mention my bike, unless someone specifically asks me.

Mum! Dad! Stop fighting, you're ruining Christmas!

 

[Balls In]

At risk of falling into a long running joke, I reckon Ginbey will play on the half backline.