List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[mattyc75]

One glaring list deficiency we have is a real lack of KF depth. The squad coming into this season was already criminally light on this type.

Allen is a lock.

Darling is almost cooked and will have no meaningful impact in the next tilt.

Waterman is, at best, a third KF. He is not a big dog. He cannot assume the role of a consistent, goalkicking, big dog.


Then Darling gets injured.....


The list has no other player capable of even achieving a par score as a KF.

That the best kid available is a KF appears to be a gift from the gods. At least the best kid is not a HBF type.

The best KF might not be maric but a home grown talent.
Altho they might be weighing up who'll fit better in the future with allen and possibly livingstone.
I'd be taking hunter personally. Come back amazingly well from an acl

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[WCErevival]

No it's not. Particularly the taller players. Most haven't finished growing at 18

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I mean the amount of growth. Allen grew another couple of inches. That doesnt happen often.

 

[Obeanie1]

That was kind of what I was replying to in my post.

One possible reason for splitting their pick last year, was because they lack other means of generating extra high end picks in the future. Other than splitting top end picks again.

I’m not against trading future picks, bringing them forward, but unless you get particularly lucky with who you trade with, the team trading the future pick often doesn’t get perceived value on the trade.

Plus you need a good understanding of the future draft, which I definitely don’t.

In all likelihood WC are a bottom 2 team next year, and at this stage I can’t imagine a current bottom team 10 team you’d be happy trading with.

The teams likely to be willing to trade might be Gold Coast (and they’re still going to want a second round pick back this year as well in such a trade), Sydney or Geelong.

Curious who you have on your list of potential tradeable players.

I need to go do some work, but splitting your second round pick for say two picks in the 28 to 32 range might be a possibility, and worth a discussion, if you believe you’ll have to draft Livingston inside the top 40.

Feel our F1st wouldgenerate a fair amount of interest actually.

We are dead set bottom 3 next season. If not last again.

How much could we realistically improve and who will get worse in 2024?

Compromised draft next year in a big way. Teams may jump at a top 3 pick to get ahead of the bid on their NGA or father son kid.

Trade of a F1st for picks and a quality young player is what I would consider. Throw it out there and sit back and see what offers come. If nothing decent we keep the pick.

 

[dinnaz]

One glaring list deficiency we have is a real lack of KF depth. The squad coming into this season was already criminally light on this type.

Allen is a lock.

Darling is almost cooked and will have no meaningful impact in the next tilt.

Waterman is, at best, a third KF. He is not a big dog. He cannot assume the role of a consistent, goalkicking, big dog.


Then Darling gets injured.....


The list has no other player capable of even achieving a par score as a KF.

That the best kid available is a KF appears to be a gift from the gods. At least the best kid is not a HBF type.

Maric I would classify as a 3rd tall/ gen fwd much like Waterman. Otherwise there's not a lot of true KPP options in the mid-season draft. Anyone would be more than 6/18 months away from playing and long shots. (From the 2004's that is)

Some names because people like names to follow:
Samuel Otto - East Fremantle (Util)
Flynn Riley - Northtern Knights (Ruck)
Clay Tucker- Eastern Ranges (Ruck)

Tom Bower - Oakleigh (Mid)
Lewis Zolnier-Owens (Fwd)
James Spadadnuda (Hbf)

 

[ZergMinion]

James Spadadnuda (Hbf)

You made that name up surely.

 

[dinnaz]

You made that name up surely.

No but Jimmy Spatula is my pr0n name

 

[Obeanie1]

That was kind of what I was replying to in my post.

One possible reason for splitting their pick last year, was because they lack other means of generating extra high end picks in the future. Other than splitting top end picks again.

I’m not against trading future picks, bringing them forward, but unless you get particularly lucky with who you trade with, the team trading the future pick often doesn’t get perceived value on the trade.

Plus you need a good understanding of the future draft, which I definitely don’t.

In all likelihood WC are a bottom 2 team next year, and at this stage I can’t imagine a current bottom team 10 team you’d be happy trading with.

The teams likely to be willing to trade might be Gold Coast (and they’re still going to want a second round pick back this year as well in such a trade), Sydney or Geelong.

Curious who you have on your list of potential tradeable players.

I need to go do some work, but splitting your second round pick for say two picks in the 28 to 32 range might be a possibility, and worth a discussion, if you believe you’ll have to draft Livingston inside the top 40.

Potential players in trade discussions this year.

Yeo if he can have a similar finish to this season as Shuey did last season.

Darling to Freo is an obvious one.

McGovern is an outside chance.

Waterman is OOC and only 24. 3rd tall forward.

I'm betting Sydney will aska bout Barrass again and at 27 he is that tricky age where he will spend the best years of his career playing in a wooden spoon side. He's a Perth boy though and sounds like he has no interest in moving interstate.

Bailey Williams is starting to show real promise. OOC and may well join the ruck merry go round.

I hope we can entice Brockman and his partner and twins under 1 back West. Straight swap for Petrucelle. Not a even trade but close enough. Especially as both are OOC and we would hold the leverage.

Mentioned earlier our long standing trade veto with Freo is hurting both clubs. Both clubs need to grow up and start trading when win win scenarios can be found. That would solve some of these issues regarding older players movement.

 

[JackOutback]

Petrucelle might have a little trade value to a team wanting his pace, though if I had to guess, he's never gonna put it together. But Petrucelle and a third might get an upgrade to a nice second round pick.

 

[FKASC]

Rather hold on to Petch tbh. Will only get better as the team around him gets better. Doubt he’d be paid shit or get us anything good in a trade.

 

[FKASC]

With Robertson, Culley and Ginbey in the middle we’ll end up with three times as many tackles as our usual average.

Would still be shit, but at least I wouldn’t be able to whinge about tackle numbers

 

[Obeanie1]

Rather hold on to Petch tbh. Will only get better as the team around him gets better. Doubt he’d be paid s**t or get us anything good in a trade.

Would you swap him for Brockman?

 

[FKASC]

Would you swap him for Brockman?

No idea, haven’t watched Brockman.

I doubt a small forward is going to make much difference to our situation at the moment though. Will be a few years until the forwardline is functioning properly.

If both parties wanted to switch states, then sure

 

[shooshka]

Rather hold on to Petch tbh. Will only get better as the team around him gets better. Doubt he’d be paid s**t or get us anything good in a trade.

I just can’t see how he plays consistently well for us.

I don’t know if it is talent, development, role or a combo - but he just seems to be a player who is good enough but shows it too rarely for us.

And there is no issue allowing those players to move for a new opportunity (provided the trade compo is fair, hard to judge for petch but probably mid 3rd round I.e negligible trade value).

Also seems to have lost his elite pace after repeated hamstrings.

All of that kind of points to a win/win in a trade rather than retain.


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[Nuffington Post]

With Hurn being in our best this week I wouldn’t be surprised if he plays on next year. So who out of our aging veterans would actually retire/move on this year?
NicNat - contracted for another year and could play the second half of the season
Shuey - out of contract but would be interesting if he stays on the park
Gov - rumoured to have signed a 2 year deal
Yeo - younger than the rest but may be a trade option. Still one of our best when he plays
Cripps - has been durable for most of his career and unsure of contract status. Officially still out of contract this year.

We should ideally move on two of these but I could see a world where they all stay. Some interesting decisions to be made…




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[DanWCE]

Schoey reckons Hurn is going on next year

 

[WCErevival]

The only way Hurn goes on next year is if another senior player reitres unexpected.

 

[JackOutback]

Would you swap him for Brockman?

 

[new breed]

Schoey reckons Hurn is going on next year

Hurn is needed in 2024 , still wins contests great servant of the club .

Maric lost 24kg in past two seasons most likely at WC but I just like going local at MSD , hope we do . Maric training at Victorian clubs in the lead up to the MSD so go local for WC hopefully .
Buller can help around the ground and a strong AFL body ready to play straight away .

 

[JackOutback]

If Hurn goes on again next year, I'll begin the origami lessons required to fold the club.

Maybe I was watching a different game but I thought he was pretty poor by his standards, often caught out of position, kicks lacked the accuracy and penetration of the past. Is he currently better than playing, say, Campbell Chesser or Rhett Bazzo off half back? Sure, but one is investing in the future, the other is spinning in place.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The only way Hurn goes on next year is if another senior player reitres unexpected.

Depends on his body I’d say. If he keeps needing two weeks off every five or six weeks like he has this season, I don’t think that’s sustainable for another year.

 

[Farang83150]

Would you swap him for Brockman?

I'd swap him for a bag of chips, wafl level player still after so many seasons

 

[Lach72]

I'm all in on Harley Reid, the offer would have to be too good to refuse.
Future midfield of Hewitt, Reid and Ginbey is tantalising.

I'm confident there will be some good tall options with our 2nd or 3rd picks - Archer Reid or Curtun may fall to our 2nd, Livingstone our 3rd.
Also, George Stevens (tad smaller) but very good defender, Patton, O'Sullivan like you mentioned.

So take Reid based on talent first, find him a pretty Perth girl and get him a dog for the Simpson cup. Then look at tall options, will still be some decent talent.

I'd personally lob it in front of GWS for 4 and 5, with maybe something small going back their way

 

[Elite Pete]

What is the knock on Sheldrick? Every round he ain’t signed and not playing AFL. Can only be a good thing for us. Hard to see where he would play in the Swans midfield too.

Getting a feeling we will be the biggest player in off season.

Georgaides has been in Perth while injured too. Only a good thing. I think him and Sharp most likley at Freo though.

 

[Elite Pete]

I'd personally lob it in front of GWS for 4 and 5, with maybe something small going back their way

They would 100% do that without something going back. His name is already and marketers dream.

 

[random260]

If the trade for pick 1 is a top 5 pick, top 10 pick and a low teens I’d be very keen.

Look lets skip all the theatre.

Pick 2 and 3 worth is a min for Harley Reid. JHF was valued at that when he left.

Anyone dealing with us deals with that as a starting point. The price if he were to leave.

Before anyone screams NUH UH THAT was unique. IDGAF precedent has been set we don't want to be bent over

We need the marketing tbh.