List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[WCE_phil]

Also how do you think West Coast got Tim Kelly to decide to go to them?

Such bias mindset thinking your club doesn’t do what all clubs do


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He had to come back to WA for a support network with 2 autistic kids and his wife/him has a beef with one of the hill brothers. That and West Coast basically provided huge help to him in the 2 years leading up to him being drafted. These are facts. One of the rare situations where a player agent wasn't driving the deal.

 

[Bacchus]

Do you know this for a fact?

Plenty of people are 'fluent' in where they live, provided the opportunity is beneficial.

I don’t know it from first hand experience.

I do know from general human experience that people are not wishy washy about what they do or where they live.
You are disputing this and saying that it is not the case today. I am not convinced about this. Human nature chooses something to it’s own advantage where it is able.

Tom is able to choose which capital city he lives in in Australia. Despite appearing to be a pretty laid back dude, I have the sense that he knows his own mind and what he wants. He is a Perth boy, I get the sense that he likes living in Perth, he may have said as much. He has resisted attempts to lure him away previously, and signed a long term deal. All these things point to him staying in Perth and wanting to stay in Perth. But hey, this might all be bs. I do not know for certain.

The prospect of remaining with a team at such a low ebb may not appeal. I don’t know how close Sydney are to a flag, they seem to be sinking quickly. They are certainly closer than WC though. Tom may have had his eyes on the captaincy and this is not looking so likely. He may be peeved about this. I don’t know this stuff, it is just speculation.

But I think to say Tom and his wife don’t particularly mind where they live is incorrect.

 

[Bacchus]

Shuey is still an A grade mid for the most part when he is on the field, Hurn has been solid to better than solid in most of his games, if Nic can get out there in the centre he would still be awe inspiring to the likes of Ginbey and Hewett and chop out BBBW. Gaff has played lots of games this year, mostly out of position and while he's had a poor year is not nearly as bad as people have made out. I see the reasons for moving them on but the key point is where are you going to magic their replacements from?

All these guys are legends of the club.

But the first three simply cannot get out on the park anymore, and Gaff is running around like an old man and can’t kick 30 metres. I thought Hurn was playing well earlier this year and might be worth retaining for another year but since then he has been injured more than he has been fit. If that’s how it is with him there no point in retaining a mainly injured 36 yr old on the list. Shuey has not been able to stay fit and get fit for years. He should not play and definitely not be captain. Ditto Naitanui.

The club has to move past 2018. It was great to win a flag, they might have been able to get another, but that ship has well and truly sailed. It’s a new era and we’re starting from ground zero. Any thought of being a contender or even mid table is delusional. It’s not happening, the club has to look this reality squarely in the face and move on. I’m still not convinced that they have really done that. Keeping these old players on the list is helping to perpetuate the delusion and inflating the insane injury list.

Picking a new generation captain is crucial to symbolically moving on and saying this is a new generation and era. Keeping Shuey as captain is retaining the 2018 link. 2018 is gone, finished. As far as players go there are players everywhere, perhaps 80% won’t be keepers but we’ve got to keep sifting through until we find some.

 

[ziad]

I don’t know it from first hand experience.

I do know from general human experience that people are not wishy washy about what they do or where they live.
You are disputing this and saying that it is not the case today. I am not convinced about this. Human nature chooses something to its own advantage where it is able.

Tom is able to choose which capital city he lives in in Australia. Despite appearing to be a pretty laid back dude, I have the sense that he knows his own mind and what he wants. He is a Perth boy, I get the sense that he likes living in Perth, he may have said as much. He has resisted attempts to lure him away previously, and signed a long term deal. All these things point to him staying in Perth and wanting to stay in Perth. But hey, this might all be bs. I do not know for certain.

The prospect of remaining with a team at such a low ebb may not appeal. I don’t know how close Sydney are to a flag, they seem to be sinking quickly. They are certainly closer than WC though. Tom may have had his eyes on the captaincy and this is not looking so likely. He may be peeved about this. I don’t know this stuff, it is just speculation.

But I think to say Tom and his wife don’t particularly mind where they live is incorrect.

Tom is also quite smart. He is educated and may have eyes on a career post footy that goes beyond a paragraph in the local rag. Sydney is the gateway to the world from AU

 

[Obeanie1]

Also how do you think West Coast got Tim Kelly to decide to go to them?

Such bias mindset thinking your club doesn’t do what all clubs do


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Do some research and open both eyes.

Port are super aggressive approaching players. They are going hard every year looking at trades.

Kelly's was a family decision with beef with Freo involved.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Yeah Eagles should just so they have to pay up


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And ruin future dealings and trade negotiations.....you sound like a port supporter.

No.

BC gold coast will continue to attract high end picks, the will continue to have salary cap squeezes we need to be able to jump onto.

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[Obeanie1]

Mitchell WoodcockThe West Australian
Fri, 16 June 2023 8:00PM
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Mitchell Woodcock
West Coast chairman Paul Fitzpatrick has extraordinarily declared the struggling Eagles won’t claim the dreaded wooden spoon despite admitting the club plans to make no immediate changes to stop their spiralling season.



* me.

What does that even mean?

We wont claim it at this stage I presume!

He hopes we dont finish last still?

Anyway if he did say it then the media will say its proof of tanking. Cant win either way.

 

[ziad]

What does that even mean?

We wont claim it at this stage I presume!

He hopes we dont finish last still?

Anyway if he did say it then the media will say its proof of tanking. Cant win either way.

the rag fabricated the story which is wide of the mark and does not represent what he said. Who pays to read this crap?

 

[Obeanie1]

I don’t know it from first hand experience.

I do know from general human experience that people are not wishy washy about what they do or where they live.
You are disputing this and saying that it is not the case today. I am not convinced about this. Human nature chooses something to it’s own advantage where it is able.

But I think to say Tom and his wife don’t particularly mind where they live is incorrect.

No one is disuputing this. At all.

Everyone gets that the decision on where to live is totally up to Tom and his partner.

All comes down to how attractive any offer is to them. You talk about human nature well is it human nature to live in the same place all your life? Yes and no.

Is it human nature to experience different things and places?

With the Eagles any discussion about a trade should be based on the asssumption the player wants it, because if they dont it doesnt happen.

 

[Obeanie1]

the rag fabricated the story which is wide of the mark and does not represent what he said. Who pays to read this crap?

Ah option c) A journo made something up.

Should have picked option c).

 

[archiemoses]

He had to come back to WA for a support network with 2 autistic kids and his wife/him has a beef with one of the hill brothers. That and West Coast basically provided huge help to him in the 2 years leading up to him being drafted. These are facts. One of the rare situations where a player agent wasn't driving the deal.

And we still got absolutely bent over at the trade table.

 

[WCE_phil]

And we still got absolutely bent over at the trade table.

In reality we paid 1 second round pick in overs. With our track record of second round picks at that point.......

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Mitchell WoodcockThe West Australian
Fri, 16 June 2023 8:00PM
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Mitchell Woodcock
West Coast chairman Paul Fitzpatrick has extraordinarily declared the struggling Eagles won’t claim the dreaded wooden spoon despite admitting the club plans to make no immediate changes to stop their spiralling season.



* me.

I remember my first beer too

 

[Corn69]

Coen Livingstone 6 goals 3 playing predominantly as a forward. I think we just gotta take a chance on him with the first pick in the second round. So much upside as a potential forward/ruck to hopefully partner with Williams.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Mitchell WoodcockThe West Australian
Fri, 16 June 2023 8:00PM
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Mitchell Woodcock
West Coast chairman Paul Fitzpatrick has extraordinarily declared the struggling Eagles won’t claim the dreaded wooden spoon despite admitting the club plans to make no immediate changes to stop their spiralling season.



* me.

We need a total clean out. Board included. Not only have they failed to act as a check on the delusions of Nisbett and Simpson (which is their job) they actually seem to be an accelerant to those delusions. It is amazing that not only does he think and believe this but he is ******ed enough to actually say it. He is so poor at reading the room and understanding how WCE supporters and feel at the moment and understanding the angle of how local Victorian media will cover anything coming out of the club that he comes out and says stuff like that. That is not what WCE supporters want to hear and he is going to totally lampooned in the media for saying it. At least Nisbett has the good sense to keep his mouth shut at the moment. He knows how unpopular what he thinks is with the supporter base so he doesn't say it.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Dialing back to Kane's to comment during the week, I think it's his worst yet. Absolute dogshite.

Saying Harley Reid shouldn't go to West Coast as it's a graveyard...

That is the whole purpose of the draft, best player goes to worst club! Highlighting the mind numbing stupid of his call, Richmond were a graveyard when they selected Dustin Martin and I'd argue he was the difference in two of their flags. If we invest in Harley now, it's for the future not the now. Yes, we'll take 4-5 years before we consider finals but hopefully by then we've put together a great list that can start challenging and someone like Harley is our match winner.

Melbourne were beyond a graveyard, when they took Petracca! Carlton are officially a graveyard and have been for almost 30 years, loads of players go there and don't develop, go backwards - should the best talent be going there... Yes, because if we you finish low down the ladder you get first crack at the draft...

Some will say, don't listen to Kane as he's a sensationalist and click baiter. But the reality is he's put it out there now, and Harley and those around him have probably heard it and who knows doubt may creep in. If I'm Harley, I'm confident enough in my ability to think I can be a major reason in turning the club around and Revell in that challenge.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Coen Livingstone 6 goals 3 playing predominantly as a forward. I think we just gotta take a chance on him with the first pick in the second round. So much upside as a potential forward/ruck to hopefully partner with Williams.

Coen will be a forward at AFL level, hopefully no bids come before pick 40 and he is ours.

He is playing pretty sore at the moment, that's why he wasn't rucking but still dominated.

He has some traits that some of the best KPF have attack at the footy aggression swagger, when he plays forward he
has presence

 

[ziad]

We need a total clean out. Board included. Not only have they failed to act as a check on the delusions of Nisbett and Simpson (which is their job) they actually seem to be an accelerant to those delusions. It is amazing that not only does he think and believe this but he is ******ed enough to actually say it. He is so poor at reading the room and understanding how WCE supporters and feel at the moment and understanding the angle of how local Victorian media will cover anything coming out of the club that he comes out and says stuff like that. That is not what WCE supporters want to hear and he is going to totally lampooned in the media for saying it. At least Nisbett has the good sense to keep his mouth shut at the moment. He knows how unpopular what he thinks is with the supporter base so he doesn't say it.

You are sadly misled by sensationalised innacurate reporting.

 

[Monocle]

Coen will be a forward at AFL level, hopefully no bids come before pick 40 and he is ours.

He is playing pretty sore at the moment, that's why he wasn't rucking but still dominated.

He has some traits that some of the best KPF have attack at the footy aggression swagger, when he plays forward he
has presence

How confident are you that he doesn't get picked up in the top 40 ?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

You are sadly misled by sensationalised innacurate reporting.

I think the delusional attitude permeates the whole club. They still think everything will be allright once all the chronically injured over 30's come back and are suddenly and magically no longer chronically injured and recapture their 2018 form.

Even Simpson's answers in the post match pressers after we get belted allude to this thinking. The journos ask him "Where do you go from here and what do you do next?" and his answer is always some variation of "Hopefully get another couple of older players back for next week". That is the wrong answer. The right answer is we are going to have a long week going through the tape, pointing out the mistakes made by the younger players, working with them on how to do better in those situations, maybe getting them to do drills on it and hopefully they perform better in that situation the next game. And if we can keep doing that every week and getting out young players to get better game by game, perform the fundamentals better and make fewer mistakes then that will compound into better performance for us over time".

 

[briztoon]

How confident are you that he doesn't get picked up in the top 40 ?

Its probably 50/50z

There’s going to be quite a few academy/FS bids in the top 40. Potentially 8..

Most of those picks in the top 40, tied to clubs having to match bids, will be traded on the night for multiple later round picks.

This will have two consequences.

For West Coast, it means pick 32 or 33 will be pushed out to pick 40. That’s good for you guys, as you only have to shade 32/33 live picks.

But it sort of makes the draft shallower as well, because that’s up to 8 club tied kids in the top 40 kids effectively being drafted outside of the regular draft pool.

As discussed here previously, pick 30 probably ends up with the 36th best talent.

 

[Obeanie1]

Coen will be a forward at AFL level, hopefully no bids come before pick 40 and he is ours.

He is playing pretty sore at the moment, that's why he wasn't rucking but still dominated.

He has some traits that some of the best KPF have attack at the footy aggression swagger, when he plays forward he
has presence

Freo have pick 21. And he is exactly what they need.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Just finished watching the game to.

Smillie gives me Bont vibes.

Murphy is more project but yeah would be a good pickup seeing both Curtin and Connor probably go 1st round.

Was nice to see that Moir actually has something to offer. It was still pretty low output with just the 17 touches but at least he got enough of it to show us his foot skills. He would still be a long way behind a number of the half back types that you mentioned.

The WA game is a tough watch the foot skills from the boys from the west are horrible. Edwards, Curtin were solid and I thought Torrent And Hall tried hard. Collard looks an interesting prospect would take a bit of building those little chicken wings up though.

Finished the WA game, Collard does look an interesting prospect a few glimpses of class.
I really rated Curtins game, I think he got the better of the best forward in the pool and used the ball really well coming out of defence.
Edwards didn't have a great game for mine, Ethan Reid beat him.
Torrent was very good in the first half.
Hall fought it out well, Devalhand also a fierce competitor.
Sanchez was ok, like to see a bit more of him as he is a smart footballer.
Van Rooyen barely cited, but you saw a small glimpse of talent late.

O'Sullivan I have a big question marks on, as I haven't seen him really defend yet. Great coming out of D50, but only saw him take one intercept mark and still yet to get a fist in. I'd be hesitant to use pick 19 on him, as we need a genuine KPD that can beat a key forward, intercept or kill a marking contest. Need to see more of this from him to be convinced.
Rowlands from NT looked sharp at half forward.

 

[Godfather32]

He had to come back to WA for a support network with 2 autistic kids and his wife/him has a beef with one of the hill brothers. That and West Coast basically provided huge help to him in the 2 years leading up to him being drafted. These are facts. One of the rare situations where a player agent wasn't driving the deal.

This makes us look really stupid for not taking a chance on him in the rookie draft the year before he was drafted. We'd obviously identified the talent was there a year before that even. But nope...just had to have Gorter and a re-rookied McInnes instead

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

They need to let all clubs match academy kids within the top 40, or none at all. No excuses.
Brisbane and Sydney in particular don't need a leg up. Even if you don't call it that.
Don't give a s**t about them how much they contributed in developing them or promising the kids they'll recruit them. If the second reason is significant enough, what about all the ones that aren't good enough to be matched or recruited?
The rules need to be the same for recruitment across all clubs, or remove matching altogether.
I don't buy into the concept that it's one less player they recruit from the other states, because they don't have prospects every year and still recruit plenty of other players from outside their state.