List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[Deepthroat]

Senior players do go a long way. They mentor and protect kids from have to compete against elite seasoned footballers by themselves.

But there's clearly a cancer with our senior group and it's been there since 2019. I suspect Simmo is largely responsible because of his reluctance to use the stick, and him allowing them to be unfit.

If Simmo goes near the end of the season, or at the end of the season, we'll be able to see if these guys can be reinvigorated. There's a chance they are cooked, regardless.

If this case we need to fire sale and delist and use late picks to get some experience yet fringe players for later draft picks. Players like Mitch Robinson in his last few years - not great, but cheap, and will leave no stone unturned while our young players transition into being able to compete with the AFL's elite.

Senior players 2024:

Contracted - Darling, Gaff.

Core Group - Yeo, Kelly, Ryan, Sheed, Hunt, Allen, Duggan & Barrass.

Maybe - McGovern.

That's 8 minimum, likely 11.

These guys need to be the core leadership group for 2024.

We do not need any more leadership than this to lead the way.

 

[Chump Change]

Senior players 2024:

Contracted - Darling, Gaff.

Core Group - Yeo, Kelly, Ryan, Sheed, Hunt, Allen, Duggan & Barrass.

Maybe - McGovern.

That's 8 minimum, likely 11.

These guys need to be the core leadership group for 2024.

We do not need any more leadership than this to lead the way.

You haven't read my post properly.

My first preference is for these guys to be our senior players...... BUT

There's has been a cancer at the club since 2019. Senior players haven't wanted to win the contested ball count. This is still happening 5 years later. And they have turned up unfit during this period. We can't have these people lead the new draftees in the current state.

So Simmo, probably goes by mid October. That should mean these players snap out of whatever issue they have, and all is good. If that happens, it's all good.

But what if a new coach comes in, and these guys are still carrying whatever baggage they have? If that happens, they need to go. And if that happens we need to swap them out for older fringe type players. Jayden Hunt types. Guys who are cheap but don't carry the baggage that our senior players have.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Gaff stayed loyal and signed for us in spite of the overtures from North.

I suspect he'll do the right thing by the club and retire himself by the end of the season.

If he stays on its purely for the money and he's proven in the past he's above that.

 

[DanWCE]

Gaff stayed loyal and signed for us in spite of the overtures from North.

I suspect he'll do the right thing by the club and retire himself by the end of the season.

If he stays on its purely for the money and he's proven in the past he's above that.

Yes and no. We paid him handsomely when the offers came from the East. Others have also smoothed out their contracts to take haircuts but he hasn't (possibly because the flow on effect of that would be signing him for ANOTHER year).

I really do hope what Scotty Cummins said yesterday resonates with a few of our players. We definitely have a cluster of established, senior players rocking up and going through the motions because losses are now acceptable. Taking their pay cheque because they get it regardless of effort. If they're being kept around to drive standards then the culture of the club is at risk.

I hope you're right and he hangs them up. I hope he's willing to negotiate a payout that doesn't restrict the club making moves to quickly ascend once more.

 

[Hook461123]

If we get Hurn, Cripps, Gov and Cole back in the next month and have all the A graders back, and then still get smashed (likely) it might finally break the denial of the club that it’s just an availability problem.
I get the feeling that Simpson and co still believe we are a competitive team when fully fit.
I don’t think that is the case any more. There’s way more broken things at the club then just the availability of players at the moment.

On the weekend we had Yeo, Shuey, Darling, Barrass, Duggan, Allan, Sheed, Gaff and Kelly and had our biggest ever loss. That’s a significant % of our senior (citizens) leaders playing. Then we had Hunt, Witherden, Petrol and SPS who have all played 50~100 games and should be in their prime.
That team on paper doesn’t lead to a 170pt loss.
As soon as the club realises there’s something wrong at the club then we can begin to climb out of this hole. It feels like everything is on hold atm.

It’s so obvious some of the things we need to address that they should be able to release a plan.

Starts with a full review (external) of.
S&C
Player development
List management
Talent identification
Gameplan
Player welfare
Media and communication

Ends with the club folding

 

[darksquare]

If it actually is diverticulitis, he could easily be back before the end of the season.

As I said previously in another thread, a mate of mine(my old boss) had it twice in a year and at the time, he was extremely overweight, mid 40s and basically no kind of fitness level other than running around the restaurant he managed, as well as being a heavy drinker and a smoker. He was able to return to work a couple of weeks after being in hospital(for 2 weeks). the 2nd time he got it wasn't as bad, as it was a relapse and he was aware of the condition. Still spent a couple of days in hospital though.

No issues whatsoever a couple of months later.

Yes, I get there's a small chance but that chance would be very miniscule.

Need to clarify this.

Diverticulitis, which I had a flare-up of about 3 weeks ago, is very treatable with antibiotics and diet. It's unpleasant, but you can get onto it early if you recognise the signs. You'd miss a week, maybe two, for every episode, and the episodes might be years apart.

Ulcerative colitis, which I understand might be Jake Waterman's problem, is a much more serious ailment. My daughter's friend has it. He is in his mid-20s, and it curtails his lifestyle severely. It might be possible to control it while maintaining a career as a professional athlete, but this would certainly be in question.

Managing this will require some difficult conversations between Jake and the club. Complicated by the equally difficult conversations a few years ago about Alec's own health issues.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Sounds like Nics on bugger all money so his 2 year contract doesn't really matter.

You know this how ? I doubt he is on more than 400k from the club + what ever the afl chucks in but it's still enough for another player and a list spot

 

[Carbine Chaos]

As an aside, what has Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

done to generate a big contract offer and first round compo for North (as seems the accepted outcome already)?

Maybe I don't watch North that much but is he actually that good? Always seemed a fairly run of the mill full back to me with a more talented brother.

 

[Rowan18]

You haven't read my post properly.

My first preference is for these guys to be our senior players...... BUT

There's has been a cancer at the club since 2019. Senior players haven't wanted to win the contested ball count. This is still happening 5 years later. And they have turned up unfit during this period. We can't have these people lead the new draftees in the current state.

So Simmo, probably goes by mid October. That should mean these players snap out of whatever issue they have, and all is good. If that happens, it's all good.

But what if a new coach comes in, and these guys are still carrying whatever baggage they have? If that happens, they need to go. And if that happens we need to swap them out for older fringe type players. Jayden Hunt types. Guys who are cheap but don't carry the baggage that our senior players have.

That's the value a new coach will bring. He'll cut through the chaff quickly as he has an outside perspective and his balls are on the line. Simmo did similar in 2014 - moved on Cox, Glass, Waters and gave some other players liflines (eg Shep, Gov). Got JK stronger and he went to another level. Schofield nearly lost his career

 

[kane249]

As an aside, what has Ben McKay done to generate a big contract offer and first round compo for North (as seems the accepted outcome already)?

Maybe I don't watch North that much but is he actually that good? Always seemed a fairly run of the mill full back to me with a more talented brother.

Mitch McGovern mark II
Getting paid off his brother's name

 

[Shueperman13]

Harley Reid will be coming to Perth on Friday for the Vic Country v WA U18’s game. West Coast better be planning to chat with him and I expect no less than a posh hotel with scenic ocean views to showcase WA, it will be a sunny day too

 

[southcoast]

Harley Reid will be coming to Perth on Friday for the Vic Country v WA U18’s game. West Coast better be planning to chat with him and I expect no less than a posh hotel with scenic ocean views to showcase WA, it will be a sunny day too

The way we’re going at the moment you’d better send the Club an email alerting them to Reid’s visit.

Might pay to follow up with a phone call as not all emails get read.


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[new breed]

Players moving on maybe instead of a watch give them 80k Audi's as a retirement gift incentive.

 

[darksquare]

Harley Reid will be coming to Perth on Friday for the Vic Country v WA U18’s game. West Coast better be planning to chat with him and I expect no less than a posh hotel with scenic ocean views to showcase WA, it will be a sunny day too

Is there actually one of these in Perth?

 

[WCEConnor23]

Disagree on Shuey retiring, he was our best player against Sydney worth keeping him but they have to do a better job at managing his body play him 15-17 games next year.

Same with Yeo and Gov.

Gaff and NN should retire

Darling and Sheed should be traded

I'm leaning towards trading Barrass if he's open to a move, Twomey suggested Sydney's first rounder and second round which i'd be pretty happy with. Ask Gov to play on for 2-3 more years and try get DGB or a mature age KPD from the state league's.

 

[Shueperman13]

Is there actually one of these in Perthfrk m a few in Scarborough and Cottesloe,

Is there actually one of these in Perth?

From memory there’s a few in Scarborough and Cottesloe, Sorrento too

 

[Deepthroat]

Disagree on Shuey retiring, he was our best player against Sydney worth keeping him but they have to do a better job at managing his body play him 15-17 games next year.

Same with Yeo and Gov.

Gaff and NN should retire

Darling and Sheed should be traded

I'm leaning towards trading Barrass if he's open to a move, Twomey suggested Sydney's first rounder and second round which i'd be pretty happy with. Ask Gov to play on for 2-3 more years and try get DGB or a mature age KPD from the state league's.

Herein lies the problem....

Too many people connected with the club (including supporters) still believe he can contribute something meaningful after the last 4 years.

You say 15-17, does that mean he needs to be rested 6-8 games for the year?

 

[Chump Change]

From memory there’s a few in Scarborough and Cottesloe, Sorrento too

There's no hotels as such in Cottesloe. Indianna Tea House. Cottesloe, Scarborough. Show him the laid back lifestyle with better looking chicks than his home town.

It's better to front up with Oscar in tow. Let him know there's a new guard in the group who is only a few years older.

 

[WCEConnor23]

Herein lies the problem....

Too many people connected with the club (including supporters) still believe he can contribute something meaningful after the last 4 years.

You say 15-17, does that mean he needs to be rested 6-8 games for the year?

Yes, similar to how Geelong manage there older players. He's still a decent chance to play less than 15 games but it's worth risk considering how poor our bottom 10-12 on our list are.

 

[JackOutback]

Disagree on Shuey retiring, he was our best player against Sydney worth keeping him but they have to do a better job at managing his body play him 15-17 games next year.

Same with Yeo and Gov.

Gaff and NN should retire

Darling and Sheed should be traded

I'm leaning towards trading Barrass if he's open to a move, Twomey suggested Sydney's first rounder and second round which i'd be pretty happy with. Ask Gov to play on for 2-3 more years and try get DGB or a mature age KPD from the state league's.

Gaff and NicNat are contracted, that's the reality. Shuey going on is detrimental to the club, Yeo and Kelly is enough experience in the middle.

If the Eagles can get anything for Sheed, they should take it. Petrucelle too, otherwise delist... he's never gonna make it in our team, could maybe offer something to a team with a functioning midfield. Need to draft in five players and trade in two or three, so a significant cut is required.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Disagree on Shuey retiring, he was our best player against Sydney worth keeping him but they have to do a better job at managing his body play him 15-17 games next year.

Same with Yeo and Gov.

Gaff and NN should retire

Darling and Sheed should be traded

I'm leaning towards trading Barrass if he's open to a move, Twomey suggested Sydney's first rounder and second round which i'd be pretty happy with. Ask Gov to play on for 2-3 more years and try get DGB or a mature age KPD from the state league's.

Almost exactly how I see it too although I still would probably keep Darling. You can tell he's very sore

 

[WCEConnor23]

Gaff and NicNat are contracted, that's the reality. Shuey going on is detrimental to the club, Yeo and Kelly is enough experience in the middle.

If the Eagles can get anything for Sheed, they should take it. Petrucelle too, otherwise delist... he's never gonna make it in our team, could maybe offer something to a team with a functioning midfield. Need to draft in five players and trade in two or three, so a significant cut is required.

So was Redden last year and he retired, hopefully Gaff does the same. NN will probably play on.

Shuey playing on isn't detrimental, he wouldn't be a mid he would be playing half back. Why would we keep someone like Foley or Rotham on the list at the expense of Shuey regardless of injuries. I'd rather Shuey playing on one leg than Foley.

 

[Deepthroat]

Yes, similar to how Geelong manage there older players. He's still a decent chance to play less than 15 games but it's worth risk considering how poor our bottom 10-12 on our list are.

The flow on is you also have to then take the next best from the WAFL side to fill that 6-8 game gap too.

This means an unknown player comes in to play with our developing kids.

This is detrimental to their development.

You need a squad capable of playing as many of the 22 games as possible to maximise development.

 

[Obeanie1]

Sheed can piss off too look at this campaigner , that's a bloke that DGAF anymore
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Not a great look and body language is terrible.

'Hi Simo what's up? You want more effort? Chasing and defensive running? OK sure, I'll mention it to the boys when I get out there.

Oh BTW we still good for the morning beach walk with the dogs on Sunday? Cool Buffy really likes the beach.

Talk later......

 

[Deepthroat]

If the likes of Shuey want to play on and help develop the team, I would suggest they retire from AFL and sign on as WAFL Eagles.

1. No injury impact on Senior team performances
2. Direct access to onfield mentoring for our greenest of rookies