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[CountryLad]

Yeah, he was huge. Those two goals were utter class, his left foot is lethal.

Can we just have him, Harley and Curtin...

Interested in your opinion on these two points.

I’ve been big on McKercher all year to be honest ever since I saw his first talent league game he’s been a good watch, just so consistent. I actually rate him up there with the likes of Wardlaw and Sheezle. If he was in last years draft he would go before Tsatas. Do you think that’s reasonable?

Other point on Reid that he is a safe pick in that he can play nearly any position. I personally think his best footy is across half back and he would be very good at afl in that area. He’s a good overhead mark playing across half back which we haven’t seen this year and the way he can burst away and run and carry suits that position.

I think he will play some midfield minutes during his career and possibly up forward at stages but I see him at Afl level a little like last year as an under age player where he plays half back and pinch hits in those areas. Ive got criticism for this view in the past any comments on it?

 

[ArdentEagle]

Dylan Williams would be a great pick up and a massive upgrade on the wing.
Goal kicking winger. I like his work.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Interested in your opinion on these two points.

I’ve been big on McKercher all year to be honest ever since I saw his first talent league game he’s been a good watch, just so consistent. I actually rate him up there with the likes of Wardlaw and Sheezle. If he was in last years draft he would go before Tsatas. Do you think that’s reasonable?

Other point on Reid that he is a safe pick in that he can play nearly any position. I personally think his best footy is across half back and he would be very good at afl in that area. He’s a good overhead mark playing across half back which we haven’t seen this year and the way he can burst away and run and carry suits that position.

I think he will play some midfield minutes during his career and possibly up forward at stages but I see him at Afl level a little like last year as an under age player where he plays half back and pinch hits in those areas. Ive got criticism for this view in the past any comments on it?

Yep, I'd take him ahead of Tsatas. Very similar players, speed and accumulation. But McKerchers kicking is exceptional, where Tsatas was just ok and McKercher hits the scoreboard almost every game.

Reid, yeah I think he'd be really damaging starting his career as a half back similar to Daicos and Sheezel have. His vision and kicking would make him a weapon, and his overhead and one on one marking like you said be great. He lacks tank for now, so a position like this for a few years would be ideal.

Ultimately, I see him starting centre bounces and having bursts in the midfield and then going forward as the danger forward, tough match up. Probably a 60% mid, 40% fwd. Match winner position like Dusty or De Geoy.

I'm going to add, Ethan Read is a star and he rounds up my top 5 before the drop off. I previously said top 4. In order; Reid, McKercher, Walter, Curtin, Read.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Yep, I'd take him ahead of Tsatas. Very similar players, speed and accumulation. But McKerchers kicking is exceptional, where Tsatas was just ok and McKercher hits the scoreboard almost every game.

Reid, yeah I think he'd be really damaging starting his career as a half back similar to Daicos and Sheezel have. His vision and kicking would make him a weapon, and his overhead and one on one marking like you said be great. He lacks tank for now, so a position like this for a few years would be ideal.

Ultimately, I see him starting centre bounces and having bursts in the midfield and then going forward as the danger forward, tough match up. Probably a 60% mid, 40% fwd. Match winner position like Dusty or De Geoy.

I'm going to add, Ethan Read is a star and he rounds up my top 5 before the drop off. I previously said top 4. In order; Reid, McKercher, Walter, Curtin, Read.

Can Gold Coast match two bids in the top 5? Seems implausible.
And then Rogers in the 10-15 range. Their going to have quite the injection of talent this off-season, but may need to do some work to make it happen.

 

[Godfather32]

Reid is clearly injured, he came off in the 1st quarter for a while, you guys need to relax. Reactionary takes after every Champs game

Who's not relaxed? No one's losing their shit about it, people are just discussing it.
Like I said, Reid might be the best player this year, but he definitely hasn't shown that yet in the National champs.

 

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[mitchzz]

Hmm. McKercher never seems to have an off game and seems to hit the scoreboard too from the mids. Absolute jet

Been wanting Reid to show a bit more but I guess you can only show so much if you're hampered by injury or playing inconsistent roles. Kind of wish he'd just play a full game off HB or a full game in the mids instead of being thrown around everywhere. Where is his best position?

Will be interesting to see what we do

Could we get McKercher and Curtin for pick 1?

 

[Spooky17]

Could we get McKercher and Curtin for pick 1?

Wow, as good as Reid could be, that would be a recruiters wet dream.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Sydney's 1st rounder is now currently pick 4 fwiw

 

[CountryLad]

Sydney's 1st rounder is now currently pick 4 fwiw

I can see a world where the Swans finish 15th and Nth take McKercher and the Hawks take that little campaigner Watson. Eagles swoop on Reid at 1 and Curtin at pick 4.
Ticket tape parade for Rob through the streets of Lathlain. Then I wake up

Note Watson is a campaigner but I do enjoy watching him any kid that can kick 5 in a half of footy as a small forward is a fun watch.

 

[Chump Change]

They won't give us #4 for TB, let alone #6. We'd have to throw in #19 or Ryan.

 

[stylish]

They won't give us #4 for TB, let alone #6. We'd have to throw in #19 or Ryan.

Then do it - #19 I mean - not Ryan

 

[dinnaz]

Ball-winning midfield - top #5.
KPF's - try to get one inside the top 10, preferably top 5.
Small forwards - 5- 15. If using a top 10 pick they have to be in Rankine, Rachelle, Watson territory
Outside mids - 10 - 20
KPDs - 10 - 25
Rucks - 15 - 30
Flankers - 25+

Generally speaking.

The rest of your picks - either best available, fill gaps, or a combo of both.


The problem with your post:

1. You mentioned West. He was drafted at 23 in the rookie draft. He's a speculative pick unlikely to come off.

2. You make out we have been "persisting with him" as if we can off load him and magically find an A-grade midfielder in his place.

3. He's not AFL standard but I have Trew, XON, Winder, Edwards and then a few old war horses closer to the chopping block.


What do you want? What's your expectation? The gun mids invariably come from the top 5 in the draft. We didn't have a top 10 pick in a decade. Who do you think we should have picked? Warner? It's easy to look at a draft in hindsight, but no one knew how good he was going to be. You can't just pick winners all the time. No club is doing that.

We've picked up

2018 - XON #28, Foley #31, BBW #35, Cameron #39 (our first pick was #23 but we traded it to GC for #28 and #35)
2019 - Jamieson #49, Johnson #58, traded in TK
2020 - Edwards #52, Winder #57

2021 - Chesser at #14, Hough #31, Bazzo #37, Williams #57, Culley #1 (MSD)
2022 - Ginbey at #9, Hewett #14, Barnett #23, Burgiel #23, Long #58, Maric #1 (MSD)


Go have a look at the 2018 draft. There's not much going on. It was a bust for us after pick 28, as it was for 17 other clubs.

You're triggered for no reason.

Thank god you're not in charge of any AFL team's list management & you'd only field 12 players cos you'd not draft anybody unless they are AAA rated.
Your whole perception of the draft is way off what actually happens in real life. And the reasoning that happens around each pick can't be looked at in a vacuum or predicted with trends.

The point is that there are better players out there than we get from 5 years of development into a so called AFL quality drafted mid like O'Neill. We just blacklist guys for perceived weaknesses
Just from the WAFL over the last 5 or so years are guys who would be an upgrade on probably 1/4 of our list (West included) over that time. All are better than Clarke by the way who we eventually decided to draft and play out of position:

Jye Bolton
Bailey Rogers
Haiden Schloithe
Aaron Black
Jake Florenca

 

[ziad]

Seeing how certain players play when their side is losing is a good guide too.

That Archer Reid guy looks good.



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I can see a world where the Swans finish 15th and Nth take McKercher and the Hawks take that little campaigner Watson. Eagles swoop on Reid at 1 and Curtin at pick 4.
Ticket tape parade for Rob through the streets of Lathlain. Then I wake up

Note Watson is a campaigner but I do enjoy watching him any kid that can kick 5 in a half of footy as a small forward is a fun watch.

We could well do with Watson, there is a hint of Matherws about him. Perhaps the face but??

 

[briztoon]

Can Gold Coast match two bids in the top 5? Seems implausible.
And then Rogers in the 10-15 range. Their going to have quite the injection of talent this off-season, but may need to do some work to make it happen.

Yes.

They’ll have about 4000 points in this draft, after live trades.

And they’ll have at least 2000+ points in next year’s draft, that they can use to take a deficit, if need be.

If they lose any players this year, they more than likely to be asking for future picks instead of picks in this draft.

And I wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade one or two of their current picks in to next year either.

 

[Chump Change]

Thank god you're not in charge of any AFL team's list management & you'd only field 12 players cos you'd not draft anybody unless they are AAA rated.
Your whole perception of the draft is way off what actually happens in real life. And the reasoning that happens around each pick can't be looked at in a vacuum or predicted with trends.

My position is pretty clear: prioritise trying to find A+ midfielders and KPF, as well as A. The rest will fall into place. You roughly need 2x A+ and 4x A. The rest of the team will build around that. Then trade in expats to fill holes once you're pushing top 4.

The point is that there are better players out there than we get from 5 years of development into a so called AFL quality drafted mid like O'Neill.

We took him at #28. Jack Ross, Jacob koschitzke, Lachie Schulz, Connor Idun, Toby Bedford are probably the only guys better than him after 28.

That's 5 players out of 50, and only Idun so far is better than an average player.

Oh, I get it, you want to delist them after 3 years and draft in 4th and 5th rounders as replacement?

Lol, I just saw your list. They're just different version of Clark and West. WAFL, or shall I say ROFL players.

We just blacklist guys for perceived weaknesses
Just from the WAFL over the last 5 or so years are guys who would be an upgrade on probably 1/4 of our list (West included) over that time. All are better than Clarke by the way who we eventually decided to draft and play out of position:

Jye Bolton
Bailey Rogers
Haiden Schloithe
Aaron Black
Jake Florenca

You have no idea if you think we can build a list with only 4th and 5th rounders.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Can Gold Coast match two bids in the top 5? Seems implausible.
And then Rogers in the 10-15 range. Their going to have quite the injection of talent this off-season, but may need to do some work to make it happen.

I believe they can, think the rule is if they make the 8 they can only match 2 inside first round and if they don't they can match all 3.

Yeah, they'll have to clear some squad size and they always seem to be brimming over the salary cap - previous early picks like Hollands, Sharp and Flanders likely up for grabs for peanuts.

 

[WCEConnor23]

Thank god you're not in charge of any AFL team's list management & you'd only field 12 players cos you'd not draft anybody unless they are AAA rated.
Your whole perception of the draft is way off what actually happens in real life. And the reasoning that happens around each pick can't be looked at in a vacuum or predicted with trends.

The point is that there are better players out there than we get from 5 years of development into a so called AFL quality drafted mid like O'Neill. We just blacklist guys for perceived weaknesses
Just from the WAFL over the last 5 or so years are guys who would be an upgrade on probably 1/4 of our list (West included) over that time. All are better than Clarke by the way who we eventually decided to draft and play out of position:

Jye Bolton
Bailey Rogers
Haiden Schloithe
Aaron Black
Jake Florenca

Aidan Clarke is one who we should draft this year imo. Best mid in the WAFL for me, good age profile, quick, kicks goals, tough, runs both ways. At worst he's a stop gap for a few years to help the younger brigade.

 

[Chump Change]

Aidan Clarke is one who we should draft this year imo. Best mid in the WAFL for me, good age profile, quick, kicks goals, tough, runs both ways. At worst he's a stop gap for a few years to help the younger brigade.

If we do need someone to help/mentor the younger brigade, the chances of it being a WAFL player is slim. Possible, but unlikely. If we need such a player, we're better of with Matt Crouch or Callan Ward. A big body with extensive AFL experience. Shuey and Yeo don't seem to be able to stay on the park. Even Jarrod Lyons. He can get the footy, it's just he's shit.

 

[marhalls hawks]

Do West Coast trade pick 1 four 2 early draft picks as North Melbourne did last year. Maybe then you can get more talent on the list I think it worked out really well for North Melbourne last year with sheezel and Wardlaw then maybe pick up curtain and McKercher only problem with McKercher is he might be a flight risk to Tasmania when they come into the competition in 2027 so interviews will be required to work that out for Watson the Wiz but also a flight risk Perhaps McKercher and curtain would be a great start to your rebuild for next year just my opinion.

 

[WCEConnor23]

If we do need someone to help/mentor the younger brigade, the chances of it being a WAFL player is slim. Possible, but unlikely. If we need such a player, we're better of with Matt Crouch or Callan Ward. A big body with extensive AFL experience. Shuey and Yeo don't seem to be able to stay on the park. Even Jarrod Lyons. He can get the footy, it's just he's s**t.

Yeh i agree to an extent. Clarke came straight from country footy last year and is a level above WAFL currently which makes him an interesting prospect in my eyes. If it were an older player he would have to be relatively quick still, so yes to C.Ward and no to the other two.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

Do West Coast trade pick 1 four 2 early draft picks as North Melbourne did last year. Maybe then you can get more talent on the list I think it worked out really well for North Melbourne last year with sheezel and Wardlaw then maybe pick up curtain and McKercher only problem with McKercher is he might be a flight risk to Tasmania when they come into the competition in 2027 so interviews will be required to work that out for Watson the Wiz but also a flight risk Perhaps McKercher and curtain would be a great start to your rebuild for next year just my opinion.

I started hyperventilating and then went cross-eyed reading that.

 

[marhalls hawks]

I started hyperventilating and then went cross-eyed reading that.

I was just thinking maybe you guys need to get more picks because you guys are lacking in nearly every position on the ground so you can take pick one that’s a good option not a bad one. but this is a strong draft why not take advantage of it and take advantage of your high pick and get as many top and picks as possible and bring in as much new talent as possible Top end talent. I love West Coast and I would love to see them fly up the ladder and compete more so please don’t think I’m attacking you and don’t hyperventilate

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Can Gold Coast match two bids in the top 5? Seems implausible.
And then Rogers in the 10-15 range. Their going to have quite the injection of talent this off-season, but may need to do some work to make it happen.

I think a team like GWS would give up one of this years picks for Gold Coasts pick next year for sure to make it happen

Gold Coast future 1st rounder for pick 8 and 47.

GWS will still have 2 first round picks with Himmelberg comp and Richmonds 1st rounder

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I was just thinking maybe you guys need to get more picks because you guys are lacking in nearly every position on the ground so you can take pick one that’s a good option not a bad one. but this is a strong draft why not take advantage of it and take advantage of your high pick and get as many top and picks as possible and bring in as much new talent as possible Top end talent. I love West Coast and I would love to see them fly up the ladder and compete more so please don’t think I’m attacking you and don’t hyperventilate

Its not a strong draft at all. Id probably go pick 40 myself