List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I also feel as much as Walter should be bidded at pick 2 it doesnt happen. Not many teams like to miss out/hurt the feelings of whoever they wanna pick. At this point it wouldnt shock me if for example Gold Coast finish bottom 4, end up with pick 4 and then clubs just let Gold Coast use pick 4 without bidding on Walter...

Imagine if they get say Curtin/Walter/Read/Rogers....

 

[marhalls hawks]

It is a strong draft but my meaning was top 5 to 10 is extremely strong

 

[dinnaz]

My position is pretty clear: prioritise trying to find A+ midfielders and KPF, as well as A. The rest will fall into place. You roughly need 2x A+ and 4x A. The rest of the team will build around that. Then trade in expats to fill holes once you're pushing top 4.



We took him at #28. Jack Ross, Jacob koschitzke, Lachie Schulz, Connor Idun, Toby Bedford are probably the only guys better than him after 28.

That's 5 players out of 50, and only Idun so far is better than an average player.

Oh, I get it, you want to delist them after 3 years and draft in 4th and 5th rounders as replacement?

Lol, I just saw your list. They're just different version of Clark and West. WAFL, or shall I say ROFL players.




You have no idea if you think we can build a list with only 4th and 5th rounders.

But O'Neill should have been a 4th/5th rounder. He was a massive reach on our part and someone I wouldn't have drafted at all. Quite obviously we could have got an equivalent player as a 3rd round rookie.

Player	Current Team	Games Since Drafted
Bailey Smith​	Western Bulldogs​	98​
Connor Rozee​	Port Adelaide​	97​
Nick BlakeyA​	Sydney​	94​
Sam Walsh​	Carlton​	93​
Jack Lukosius​	Gold Coast​	89​
James Rowbottom​	Sydney​	85​
Zak Butters​	Port Adelaide​	84​
Lachlan Schultz​	Fremantle​	83​
Isaac QuaynorA​	Collingwood​	75​
Nick Hind​	Essendon​	73​
Chayce Jones​	Adelaide​	72​
Jordan Clark​	Fremantle​	72​
Bailey ScottF​	North Melbourne​	71​
Ben King​	Gold Coast​	69​
Justin McInerney​	Sydney​	68​
Max King​	St Kilda​	67​
Tom Sparrow​	Melbourne​	66​
Izak Rankine​	Adelaide​	64​
Xavier Duursma​	Port Adelaide​	64​
Tarryn ThomasA​	North Melbourne​	62​
Curtis Taylor​	North Melbourne​	61​
Ned McHenry​	Adelaide​	59​
James Jordon​	Melbourne​	59​
Connor Idun​	GWS​	58​
Bobby Hill​	Collingwood​	57​
Jack Ross​	Richmond​	56​
Noah Answerth​	Brisbane​	55​
Lachlan Sholl​	Adelaide​	53​
Jye Caldwell​	Essendon​	50​
Xavier O'Halloran​	GWS​	45​
Brayden Ham​	Essendon​	45​
Liam Stocker​	St Kilda​	44​
Jacob Koschitzke​	Hawthorn​	44​
Bailey Williams​	West Coast​	42​
Will Hamill​	Adelaide​	38​
Laitham Vandermeer​	Western Bulldogs​	37​
Caleb GrahamA​	Gold Coast​	37​

Callum Wilkie​	St Kilda​	101​
Tom Atkins​	Geelong​	98​
Ethan Hughes​	Fremantle​	68​
Mabior Chol​	Gold Coast​	58​
Jordon Butts​	Adelaide​	57​
Lachie Young​	North Melbourne​	44​
Jake Aarts​	Richmond​	42​

43 players have played more games which is a great way to tell if a player is quality. I'd even have taken Sweet & Fort with Briggs coming along well.
In addition we are dead last and still continuously drop O'Neill when possible - so half his games played have been charity.

It wasn't a 2nd rounder who didn't turn out, it was just pure poor selection of 1 out of 40 similar quality midfielders.

 

[marhalls hawks]

What does west coast give up for Tyler brockman seriusly

 

[TerryFilk]

I honestly think the most realistic trade partner if we split picks now might be Melbourne

They will go all in for Reid, Fremantle have an absolutely brutal run home, I think their pick will come in at 4-6, they’ll also have their first and I think Pickett could be leaving, obviously I don’t know if he’d come here but I think an offer like that would be on the table.

Personally I just want to take Reid, but I do see that being more viable than GWS’s offer currently.

 

[Chump Change]

But O'Neill should have been a 4th/5th rounder. He was a massive reach on our part and someone I wouldn't have drafted at all. Quite obviously we could have got an equivalent player as a 3rd round rookie.

Are you special?

I've shown you who else was available at #28. 5 players out of 50 are not a bust. One looks like he will go on with it (Idun), the other 4 are fringey.

What don't you understand about the chance of picking one of those 5 players was slim?

It's like you're having a big cry because we drafted someone at 28 who plays like someone drafted at 98. I bet you're the type of person who dates a dude for a few years and when it ends you're mad that he wasn't the guy he first presented as.

Player	Current Team	Games Since Drafted
Bailey Smith​	Western Bulldogs​	98​
Connor Rozee​	Port Adelaide​	97​
Nick BlakeyA​	Sydney​	94​
Sam Walsh​	Carlton​	93​
Jack Lukosius​	Gold Coast​	89​
James Rowbottom​	Sydney​	85​
Zak Butters​	Port Adelaide​	84​
Lachlan Schultz​	Fremantle​	83​
Isaac QuaynorA​	Collingwood​	75​
Nick Hind​	Essendon​	73​
Chayce Jones​	Adelaide​	72​
Jordan Clark​	Fremantle​	72​
Bailey ScottF​	North Melbourne​	71​
Ben King​	Gold Coast​	69​
Justin McInerney​	Sydney​	68​
Max King​	St Kilda​	67​
Tom Sparrow​	Melbourne​	66​
Izak Rankine​	Adelaide​	64​
Xavier Duursma​	Port Adelaide​	64​
Tarryn ThomasA​	North Melbourne​	62​
Curtis Taylor​	North Melbourne​	61​
Ned McHenry​	Adelaide​	59​
James Jordon​	Melbourne​	59​
Connor Idun​	GWS​	58​
Bobby Hill​	Collingwood​	57​
Jack Ross​	Richmond​	56​
Noah Answerth​	Brisbane​	55​
Lachlan Sholl​	Adelaide​	53​
Jye Caldwell​	Essendon​	50​
Xavier O'Halloran​	GWS​	45​
Brayden Ham​	​ Essendon​	45​
Liam Stocker​	St Kilda​	44​
Jacob Koschitzke​	Hawthorn​	44​
Bailey Williams​	West Coast​	42​
Will Hamill​	Adelaide​	38​
Laitham Vandermeer​	Western Bulldogs​	37​
Caleb GrahamA​	Gold Coast​	37​

Callum Wilkie​	St Kilda​	101​
Tom Atkins​	Geelong​	98​
Ethan Hughes​	Fremantle​	68​
Mabior Chol​	Gold Coast​	58​
Jordon Butts​	Adelaide​	57​
Lachie Young​	North Melbourne​	44​
Jake Aarts​	​ Richmond​	42​

43 players have played more games which is a great way to tell if a player is quality. I'd even have taken Sweet & Fort with Briggs coming along well.
In addition we are dead last and still continuously drop O'Neill when possible - so half his games played have been charity.

It wasn't a 2nd rounder who didn't turn out, it was just pure poor selection of 1 out of 40 similar quality midfielders.

Right, so you're having a cry because some guy we drafted ended being a dud? You don't think that happens to every other club, all the time? Do you not realise we have a backlog of spuds? Do you not realise if we didn't have the injury list we have, half these guys wouldn't be getting a game and they would quietly be getting delisted?

I've shown you who we've taken in the last 3 drafts, but you want to cry like a bitch over one spud we drafted in 2018. WTF?

 

[dkalphy]

norf will finish last, we will have pick 2. Need to rest senior players and continue tanking

 

[marhalls hawks]

What would west coast give up for Tyler brockman

 

[Cuzz09]

What does west coast give up for Tyler brockman seriusly

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[marhalls hawks]

norf will finish last, we will have pick 2. Need to rest senior players and continue tanking

Exactly play the game and get pick 1 stuff north do you think they aren’t tanking come on of course they are stuff them up

 

[Chump Change]

norf will finish last, we will have pick 2. Need to rest senior players and continue tanking

I feel Oscar is getting ahead of himself. Needs to spend some time in the backline. Baydog needs a rest so Jamo into the ruck. Ggaffy, Sheed, and Petch into the centre square.

 

[marhalls hawks]

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I think that’s about right he is a talent and would thrive in he’s own town

 

[Chump Change]

Yeh i agree to an extent. Clarke came straight from country footy last year and is a level above WAFL currently which makes him an interesting prospect in my eyes. If it were an older player he would have to be relatively quick still, so yes to C.Ward and no to the other two.

I don't think we so much need speed. Just a bigger body who can get the contested footy. You're basically just playing a guy until Ginbey, Hewett etc get better than him, and then can play without him and old their own. I know everyone is switching to fast ball movement, but that will come in the draft. Need hard bodies around the ball because TK and Sheed don't play like this.

 

[RanaNaved]

norf will finish last, we will have pick 2. Need to rest senior players and continue tanking

That wouldn't worry me in most circumstances. I think McKercher is unreal.....But, Ben McKay looks gone, and if they finish last they may have 1 and 2, meaning no McKercher or Reid.

 

[TerryFilk]

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Having a laugh

He’s out of contract and we’ll have pick 1 or 2 in the PSD.

Port’s 2nd at best

 

[TerryFilk]

norf will finish last, we will have pick 2. Need to rest senior players and continue tanking

We’d have to win twice and North would have to not win a single game, they play us and Hawthorn still

I think we finish last on % personally

 

[CountryLad]

Exactly play the game and get pick 1 stuff north do you think they aren’t tanking come on of course they are stuff them up

Honestly I think he’s probably worth a 2nd round pick but probably not pick 19 it holds the equivalence of a first rounder being the first pick on day 2.
Ports second which the Eagles hold is late 2nd so maybe that and something on top unless we find another 2nd round pick somewhere.

 

[Chump Change]

We’d have to win twice and North would have to not win a single game, they play us and Hawthorn still

I think we finish last on % personally

I think Hawks are comfortably better. They get back Sicily this week. I think Norf are on the same level of shitness as us. And we play them at Optus.

We can only hope for Uniacke, Warlord, Simpkin, and Larkey to turn it on.

If we win, I'm not going to be confident. We need Richmond to get past us this weekend for a start.

 

[dinnaz]

Are you special?

I've shown you who else was available at #28. 5 players out of 50 are not a bust. One looks like he will go on with it (Idun), the other 4 are fringey.

What don't you understand about the chance of picking one of those 5 players was slim?

It's like you're having a big cry because we drafted someone at 28 who plays like someone drafted at 98. I bet you're the type of person who dates a dude for a few years and when it ends you're mad that he wasn't the guy he first presented as.




Right, so you're having a cry because some guy we drafted ended being a dud? You don't think that happens to every other club, all the time? Do you not realise we have a backlog of spuds? Do you not realise if we didn't have the injury list we have, half these guys wouldn't be getting a game and they would quietly be getting delisted?

I've shown you who we've taken in the last 3 drafts, but you want to cry like a bitch over one spud we drafted in 2018. WTF?

No, i'm explaining to you that there's generally not a massive difference between players outside of a handful of stars each year. Most of the time there's a clear 25 or maybe 30 and then its a pool of 150 players for the next 50 odd picks and they are only picked up in the end because different recruiters rate different aspects.

Your whole schtick is an oxymoron that nobody actually knows how good a player will be- yet superstars can only come from the top 5 picked. I assume you also think Paddy Dow should be Carlton captain because he is the only mid with A+++ ability.

The point being made is that we never seem to maximise our picks outside of rare occurences. We can definitely pick up a defenstive style midfielder (Hutchins) or limited stoppage player (Trew) later on in the draft. If they bust so be it but we tend to spend our first & second rounders on the same exact limited players which no other recruiter in Australia rates

 

[briztoon]

It is a strong draft but my meaning was top 5 to 10 is extremely strong

No it's not.

Drop out any academy or father son kids, because no one else is getting them.

1. Harley Reid
2. Colby McKercher
3. Dan Curtin
4. Nick Watson

5.Ryley Sanders
6. Connor O'Sullivan

The above 6 players, are the players who have performed consistently across the championships. The exception is Reid, who's been a bit in and out of games.

Duursma has been disappointing.

Nate Caddy has shown flashes, but has had a nearly championships.

Darcy Wilson has looked good, without wowing.

Ollie Murphey deserves to spoken about, and rated higher than where he's currently at.


North traded TWO pick 1's for pick 2, pick 3 and pick 17. They got ripped big time.

Yes, North got two very good kids at pick 2 and 3.

If I'm West Coast, and I'm trading pick 1, I want a top 4 pick and a second pick between 5 and 10 in this draft.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

What do I think Fisher is worth? I'd say your pick 36 would be about right for Fisher if I was just judging him as a player. But as far as I can tell we want him off our books and don't like his lack of defensive intent or poor attitude at times, think theres a few on our list who will be going for similar reasons.

So realistically a late 40's or early 50s pick would probably get it done imo.

We don't really need a guy that another bottom team relegates to the VFL .

Sounds like Carlton want to salary dump him and his 500k-600k a year salary for 2 years .

Didn't GC just give Geelong pick 7 to take bowes salary off them ?

Recon your future 2nd will be enough for us to take him off your hands

 

[Monocle]

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Nope no need to be so generous.

We got screwed by Port and got their second rounder for Rioli, that's the pick I would give Hawthorn.

They won't like that, just as we were pissed with what we were offered for Rioli.

But thats all we can afford to offer them as we need pick 19 ourselves.


Sometimes sh1t happens, with kids that want to go home and be reunited with a family network and Clubs have to cut their losses and move on.

What we do have ( and I would hope we didn't have to do this ), is the capacity and the mechanism, to walk him straight into the PSD, that way he gets to come home and knows at the end of trade week ( if we cant do a deal with Hawthorn and they play hardball ) where his future lies.

I am not wanting to screw Hawthorn over, however we are in such a bad place with our list that we need pick 19 for ourself.

Besides it would be a small slice of karma for Mitchell who slipped out of WA not honouring his contract with us to return to Hawthorn on a similar role.
What he did was sleezy and unethical, it was a move that blindsided us and weakened our coaching stocks.

Am I being a bit vindictive ...... probably.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We don't really need a guy that another bottom team relegates to the VFL .

Sounds like Carlton want to salary dump him and his 500k-600k a year salary for 2 years .

Didn't GC just give Geelong pick 7 to take bowes salary off them ?

Recon your future 2nd will be enough for us to take him off your hands

You guys are chasing Fisher, we are fine to keep him from my understanding but he'd like to leave after being dropped with a better contract offer over with u.

Bowes was owed like 1.2mil per year and was actively shopped around so thats totally different.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

So he would be an improvement, therefore providing the price is low, it’s an advancement.

Sometime it’s the collective small improvements that help make the difference.

I would much prefer Fisher in the side than XON, West, Ckark, Trew, SPS.

All those guys are on bottom dollar .

Fisher has a rumoured 1.1 million over 2 years on his contract.

Salary dump Territory for sure and we are the suckers apparently

 

[Byron_Clanger]

norf will finish last, we will have pick 2. Need to rest senior players and continue tanking

I think we'll finish last by %. We got North Round 20 2:40 on Sunday Arvo at home, so I expect us to just get over the line in that one. Still pisses me off how North bottled that Swans game.