List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[UseR2006]

The fact that Reid is also very good in all three thirds of the ground makes it a no brainer.

 

[UseR2006]

If we do take reid i think we still need outside class and speed.
Is collard a pure forward or can be a wingman?
Is hardeman possibly a wingman?
Any likely sorts around our 2nd onwards?

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Chesser and Edwards are the outside mids. Edwards does well with time and space and Chesser was drafted as an excellent runner with good speed.
Both will be better when they are more outside.

 

[TerryFilk]

If we do take reid i think we still need outside class and speed.
Is collard a pure forward or can be a wingman?
Is hardeman possibly a wingman?
Any likely sorts around our 2nd onwards?

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Yeah we definitely need to improve our wing options, Nic Martin is out of contract at the end of next season, hopefully it stays that way and we can go after him next year, I doubt it’d take our first round pick, so I’d be all for it.

 

[WCE_phil]

Yeah we definitely need to improve our wing options, Nic Martin is out of contract at the end of next season, hopefully it stays that way and we can go after him next year, I doubt it’d take our first round pick, so I’d be all for it.

Have you ever even had a chat with Adrian Dodoro, he would try to argue 10c off the cost of a coffee or double the price of said coffee if he was making it.

 

[TerryFilk]

Have you ever even had a chat with Adrian Dodoro, he would try to argue 10c off the cost of a coffee or double the price of said coffee if he was making it.

Haha, that’s a good point, I think Dodoro might be gone by the end of 2024 though personally. Then again, he has lasted this long…

 

[Cornelius Roy]

If this draft bottoms out quickly and our picks in the 30s are getting pushed back are there first year players in the state leagues with performances that suggest greater upside than what's on offer? Kobe Ryan would be the obvious one, Jack Avery? Sam Gilbey?

With the limited currency we have I'm less and less keen on using that currency to get Devon Roberston. A slower inside mid, is he going to be ahead of say Reid, Ginbey, Culley?

Would like one or both of Brockman and Collard to top up our small forward stocks post Ryan and would like to get Senge as a rookie if we could.

Not sure who I like at that pick 19.

 

[Mori]

The biggest problem we have had is we don't have a balanced team that can defend the field. Building around Hewitt and Reid we need to have mids that can protect and cover for them to get the balanced midfield we had in 2018 which was the last time the team really worked together as a unit.

So the senior players that can't / won't defend need to be moved, particularly the ones that have some value in the market. 3 stand out for me - Ryan, Sheed and Jones. There are clearly others on the list with the same problems but they don't have any value. The 1st thing is to get some return for these players so we get extra picks, upgrade picks or get players in who can help.

I would argue that all 3 Ryan, Sheed, Jones are no longer best 22 at the club.

Ryan is not a small fwd he is a marking fwd and we already have Williams, Allan, Darling, Maric plus resting mids like Reid and Culley. Playing him robs us of a pressure fwd or a midfield rotation.

Burgiel and Chesser should be playing off half back. Half back is a great place for young players to learn the game. With Hunt an option as well and maybe another later draft pick coming in to play here, Jones is expendable.

Kelly, Hewitt, Reid with Gibney and Culley could work, adding Sheed won't work. Sheed on a wing will cause problems with his defensive running and really we would be better off playing Gaff or Edwards ahead of Sheed because all 3 are not in the future plans, but Sheed is the only one who can get us something in return.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

If we do take reid i think we still need outside class and speed.
Is collard a pure forward or can be a wingman?
Is hardeman possibly a wingman?
Any likely sorts around our 2nd onwards?

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Outside mids come into their own when you get seriously good midfielders. Average outside players can look like superstars when you have seriously good mids.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The biggest problem we have had is we don't have a balanced team that can defend the field. Building around Hewitt and Reid we need to have mids that can protect and cover for them to get the balanced midfield we had in 2018 which was the last time the team really worked together as a unit.

So the senior players that can't / won't defend need to be moved, particularly the ones that have some value in the market. 3 stand out for me - Ryan, Sheed and Jones. There are clearly others on the list with the same problems but they don't have any value. The 1st thing is to get some return for these players so we get extra picks, upgrade picks or get players in who can help.

I would argue that all 3 Ryan, Sheed, Jones are no longer best 22 at the club.

Ryan is not a small fwd he is a marking fwd and we already have Williams, Allan, Darling, Maric plus resting mids like Reid and Culley. Playing him robs us of a pressure fwd or a midfield rotation.

Burgiel and Chesser should be playing off half back. Half back is a great place for young players to learn the game. With Hunt an option as well and maybe another later draft pick coming in to play here, Jones is expendable.

Kelly, Hewitt, Reid with Gibney and Culley could work, adding Sheed won't work. Sheed on a wing will cause problems with his defensive running and really we would be better off playing Gaff or Edwards ahead of Sheed because all 3 are not in the future plans, but Sheed is the only one who can get us something in return.

Ryan is one player we should be developing into an outside mid. He can rotate through the forward line.

 

[CountryLad]

Yeah we definitely need to improve our wing options, Nic Martin is out of contract at the end of next season, hopefully it stays that way and we can go after him next year, I doubt it’d take our first round pick, so I’d be all for it.

It’s funny though and I’m not saying we should take this other bloke but Liam Henry has pretty much identical stats to Nic Martin yet the couple of times his name has been mentioned it’s automatically been shut down by posters in the Eagles forums.
People will straight away go ball butcher but his kicking efficiency is as good as Martins. I know stats don’t tell the whole story.
Reckon Henry for a second round pick would be gettable, for a club that wants him.
Reckon he’s out of Freo because he hasn’t signed, wonder what his manager has lined up?

 

[WCE_phil]

I think the club would be hoping in the future (i'm not a believer) that Hough can cover one wing and Chesser the other.

 

[Godfather32]

I think the club would be hoping in the future (i'm not a believer) that Hough can cover one wing and Chesser the other.

I've been saying it for years, Cole to the wing!

 

[The Stid]

Chesser and Edwards are the outside mids. Edwards does well with time and space and Chesser was drafted as an excellent runner with good speed.
Both will be better when they are more outside.

There’s also the forgotten man Burgiel

 

[Spod]

I would argue that all 3 Ryan, Sheed, Jones are no longer best 22 at the club.

Sheed maybe but this a harsh take on Ryan. He is more dangerous and better around the ground than any of our other forwards and seemed to be in good form before he got injured. Jones is filling a very specific role for the team so whether he is technically best 22 is almost irrelevant, though yeah he should be a better defensively.

 

[MrKennedy17]

I do not see how Curtain is a top 10 pick at all. He is being completely overrated pick wise due to him being the most highly related WA guy. I see like a Hurn replacement. A really good Back Flank 3rd option with some midfield potential. 15 to 25. Shannon Hurn

25

Shannon Hurn

Age

37

Ht

187cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

15.7

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

389.5

5star

D

16.1

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

271.6

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

went at 13. Nat Fyfe Fwd Pocket come Brownlow Medal Winning Midfielder pick 20, Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

Slow Well Built Midfielder come Brownlow Medal Winner Pick 13.

I honestly see Collard as a better player likened to Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

who went at Pick 7 or Peter Matera

Peter Matera

Age

55

Ht

183cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.6

3star

G

0.6

3star

. That kid will go Pick 20 to 40. This fella is the closest thing to a Goal kicking Wingman since Roo. Most articles say hes the best in WA.

My preference is Harley Reid Pick 1 & Lance Collard at the next pick we have.
I'm resigned to getting Pick 1 and not being amongst Picks 2 to 7. We wont trade away Reid, but we will try get other picks in other ways.

Guys look at this these 9 guys
Chesser Yeo Collard
Hewett, Kelly, Reid
Ginbey, Culley, Burgiel,

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I do not see how Curtain is a top 10 pick at all. He is being completely overrated pick wise due to him being the most highly related WA guy. I see like a Hurn replacement. A really good Back Flank 3rd option with some midfield potential. 15 to 25. Shannon Hurn went at 13. Nat Fyfe Fwd Pocket come Brownlow Medal Winning Midfielder pick 20, Patrick Cripps Slow Well Built Midfielder come Brownlow Medal Winner Pick 13.

I honestly see Collard as a better player likened to Charlie Cameron who went at Pick 7 or Peter Matera. That kid will go Pick 20 to 40. This fella is the closest thing to a Goal kicking Wingman since Roo. Most articles say hes the best in WA.

My preference is Harley Reid Pick 1 & Lance Collard at the next pick we have.
I'm resigned to getting Pick 1 and not being amongst Picks 2 to 7. We wont trade away Reid, but we will try get other picks in other ways.

Guys look at this these 9 guys
Chesser Yeo Collard
Hewett, Kelly, Reid
Ginbey, Culley, Burgiel,

Charlie Cameron was overlooked the entire national draft and taken in the rookie draft.

Where are these articles saying Collard is the best in WA?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

 

[dinnaz]

The reason why we are so bad is because our midfield. It's been a one man midfield all season with Kelly. Problem for us is we still have both of Sheed and Gaff into next season. If they don't play to standard.
Next season we will be exactly the same again if we can't get the next tier to the level required. Have high hopes though for Hewitt Gibney and desperately we need Reid.

Midfields across the league are all star studded. Need at least 4-5 A,B+ Grade midfielders in the modern game.
Our forward half is pretty decent. If it got supply but it doesn't get enough. Allen has made do with the limited chances he gets.

Reid won't play a heap of midfield in his first few years tho.
He's so good fwd I expect him to spend a lot of time there.

 

[eaglevision]

Is there anyone who physically attended and watched the WA vs Vic Country U18 match at the WACA that thinks we should even consider anything less than the most one sided trade in history for Reid?

 

[Falco]

Burgiel looked good in the limited exposure that we got this year. I hope he can get his hamstrings right - Petruccelle is another who seems to have gotten over his hamstring issues.

 

[WCE_phil]

Is there anyone who physically attended and watched the WA vs Vic Country U18 match at the WACA that thinks we should even consider anything less than the most one sided trade in history for Reid?

As long as the trade secured McKercher then i'm not against it.

I really like Curtin's game and feel as though he is getting harshly marked however I would much rather Ollie Murphy at 19. With Croft going to the dogs and McCabe going to the Hawks i'm finding it hard to see both Murphy and O'Sullivan off the board before the clubs second pick.

Whomever was to trade for pick 1 would take Reid, North are then a huge ???, Hawks from what I have heard are pretty set on Duursma at this stage.

If pick 1 could secure GC pick 4, GC future first and another pick between 15-20 I would take it. A lot of water to go under the bridge however between now and the draft.

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Whilst I'd agree if we had a handful of options, when Gov and Barrass go down (and let's be honest, we'd be blessed to have them both play 20+ games next year) our second tier options are very thin.

HEdwards may be be a little way off but he is a better option than Rotham or Yeo handling big dogs.

Who drafts on the basis their 2 best KPDs go down? That’s a blight on our medical staff that needs to be fixed. Not something to base our draft on

 

[amazingjoshy]

Have you ever even had a chat with Adrian Dodoro, he would try to argue 10c off the cost of a coffee or double the price of said coffee if he was making it.

Living proof of how (un)successful a strategy this is

 

[MrKennedy17]

Charlie Cameron was overlooked the entire national draft and taken in the rookie draft.

Where are these articles saying Collard is the best in WA?

‘Most talented in the State’: Lance in the fast lane to AFL

Lance Collard has a highlight reel to rival any draft prospect, but the untapped Subiaco starlet who is described as ‘most talented in the State for his age’ is yet to fully arrive.

thewest.com.au

But the Subiaco excitement machine, described as the “most talented in the State for his age”, is yet to fully arrive.

He responded with an incredible six goals from 17 touches, with the majority coming off the back of his pressure.

Berryman predicts Collard to be “pretty unstoppable” in the mould of Brisbane superstar Charlie Cameron.

They say he is a couple yrs off being unstoppable.

This is the Player we want to recruit to be our next Superstar attacking Wingman.

 

[eaglevision]

As long as the trade secured McKercher then i'm not against it.

I really like Curtin's game and feel as though he is getting harshly marked however I would much rather Ollie Murphy at 19. With Croft going to the dogs and McCabe going to the Hawks i'm finding it hard to see both Murphy and O'Sullivan off the board before the clubs second pick.

Whomever was to trade for pick 1 would take Reid, North are then a huge ???, Hawks from what I have heard are pretty set on Duursma at this stage.

If pick 1 could secure GC pick 4, GC future first and another pick between 15-20 I would take it. A lot of water to go under the bridge however between now and the draft.

After bids that’s likely to mean we end up with pick 5/6, 20-25 and probably pick 10-12 at best after ladder position and bids next year. Surely that’s not enough?

A lot of Dees supporters also seem to be celebrating that they are getting Reid via some dodgy handshake deal with the eagles. Can anyone cast any light on this?