List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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[The Stid]

U wot?

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Harley leading the boys out on Grand Final day

 

[ROO DOGG]

* it - I'd do a rattler and ask for all top 10 draft picks....For the next decade!

And then..........

 

[new breed]

Breakout game for Zakostelsky with Livingstone being hidden by West Coast as a late out?

Have we shot ourselves in the foot a bit now if ZZ shoots up the draft board?

No Livingstone broke ribs or similar in the qualifying final against Claremont in a CB ruck contest with Zz ....massive contest both flat on their backs in the centre square afterwards , no surprised Livingstone didn't play today .

 

[ROO DOGG]

The NGA is critical though. If you don't want NGA, then you don't want a national competition, and you do want to be complacent as a code.

The NGA allows the AFL to basically poach kids from a young age from other sports, and allows them a pathway to a local AFL team. It's critical to growing the sport in Rugby League heartland.

There's a game next Saturday as a curtain raiser to the GF. It's some of the best 17 year olds in the country. There's a kid playing called Mitch Woods. He already has a contract on the table with the Canterbury Bulldogs. He's a top 2 prospect in the Swans Academy. This guy is no Chris Judd, but he's a potential to get drafted. If he gets drafted, the effect he has on his wider community in Sydney? It's huge. "Hey, did you hear Mitch got drafted into the AFL". It tells everyone around that the AFL is a real prospect. It tells elite kids who have a body shape more suited to AFL than League, that there is a real pathway.

The more kids who grow up in non-AFL territory and make it in the AFL, the more the game grows in those areas.

When you have these teams in non-AFL territories, and fill them full of Victorians, most of them just leave because they want to play for a big Victorian club. Shiel, Treloar, Taranto, Hopper, Bruce, Dixon, Cameron.... You have to have mechanisms to grow local talent. Without it, those teams aren't really sustainable.

The truth is, those pan handling campaigners make bad decision after bad decision.

It also grows a supporter base from freinds and families of those kidds that get drafted in those states and before you know it GWS and Gold Coast have fans, its definitely great for the game.

 

[bzparkes]

It also grows a supporter base from freinds and families of those kidds that get drafted in those states and before you know it GWS and Gold Coast have fans, its definitely great for the game.

Decent crowd for the Suns down at the VFL grand final.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Thats a pretty good offer for waterman.

he should consider himself very lucky to be of 400k a season.

Fuming. Should've let him walk.

$400k x2 with a trigger for a 3rd for a player who's not and never has been a locked in B22 and has a ****ed bowel to boot. Yeah real tough negotiating West Coast.

 

[TerryFilk]

Breakout game for Zakostelsky with Livingstone being hidden by West Coast as a late out?

Have we shot ourselves in the foot a bit now if ZZ shoots up the draft board?

Lol there’s no need to hide Livingstone, he’ll be there post 40.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Fuming. Should've let him walk.

$400k x2 with a trigger for a 3rd for a player who's not and never has been a locked in B22 and has a ****ed bowel to boot. Yeah real tough negotiating West Coast.

Feel the same way. Should've let him walk.

He's done nothing to deserve a pay rise.

A simple 2 year extension is all he's worth, otherwise there would be genuine interest from another club.

 

[Mulldogg]

Lol there’s no need to hide Livingstone, he’ll be there post 40.

That’s what I was alluding too. Today’s game shows ZZ would have been a good late selection as a KPD but after winning BOG honours against second rate rucks for Perth he’s going to garner more attention from other clubs.

More worried about ZZ going up the draft board than Livingstone not being there after 40.

 

[ziad]

Fuming. Should've let him walk.

$400k x2 with a trigger for a 3rd for a player who's not and never has been a locked in B22 and has a ****ed bowel to boot. Yeah real tough negotiating West Coast.

Agreed, but we need depth

 

[ziad]

Feel the same way. Should've let him walk.

He's done nothing to deserve a pay rise.

A simple 2 year extension is all he's worth, otherwise there would be genuine interest from another club.

Like Brander

 

[ROO DOGG]

ZZ a smoky for R1 now???

Zz on his way to the top.

 

[Keys]

Average player salary in 2022 was $387k which was automatically increased by 10% for 2023 under the new pay deal with another increase locked in for 2024 (and beyond)

In that light $400k a year for two seasons isn’t particularly high by AFL standards. One might say it’s average which is about where Waterman sits as an AFL player

Trigger cause I guess would be based on games played which makes sense given his illness

 

[Deepthroat]

Feel the same way. Should've let him walk.

He's done nothing to deserve a pay rise.

A simple 2 year extension is all he's worth, otherwise there would be genuine interest from another club.

100% agree.

He has now opened the door for the sort of expectation that comes with a $400k salary.

If he doesn’t deliver in 2024 he will be a fan favourite whipping boy.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Pretty sure he’s already there.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Decent crowd for the Suns down at the VFL grand final.

Can see the Suns supporter base grow rapidly in the next few years, especially if they start making finals regularly (which they will).

 

[ROO DOGG]

Fuming. Should've let him walk.

$400k x2 with a trigger for a 3rd for a player who's not and never has been a locked in B22 and has a ****ed bowel to boot. Yeah real tough negotiating West Coast.

400k is not that much after the new CBA.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Pretty sure he’s already there.

He should be paying us to let him play, consarnit!

 

[Truckosaurus]

Don't worry guys, that $400k will come down after tax

 

[Goroyals22]

Shaun mannagh 26yo from Werribee, 28 possessions and 6.2 in the vfl gf against the suns… apparently there was some interest about him in the mid season draft. A bit of a mark Lecras

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[Cuzz09]

Geez Id love to make $400k and think it's FA

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[Eddie_Sandbrah]

It also grows a supporter base from freinds and families of those kidds that get drafted in those states and before you know it GWS and Gold Coast have fans, its definitely great for the game.

It takes a number of cycles, and with GWS and GCS, will be longer that Swans. Swans have the advantage that the Eastern suburbs types think they are a bit classier and League is essentially bogan. Sydney's West is pretty boge, and the Goldie is just bogan central, those are not traditionally big footy heads of any code.

The Swans had a god run in about '87. Them, Carlton, and Hawks at top of the ladder. Healy, Williams, Wokka, and that creepy doctor dude. That got them some fans.

Then they went backwards. Bottom of ladder, low crowds. Barrassi had to come in for a bit and then they got Eade.

Took them to the 1996 GF. Crowds are up, memberships are up.

The next dip, some fans drop off but they were getting 25k per game.

Then came the run up to the 2005 premiership. They've had 35k crowds and a loyal membership base ever since.

It takes many cycles to find those glued on supporters. GCS and GWS will take longer, but it is inevitable.

 

[Obeanie1]

Feel the same way. Should've let him walk.

He's done nothing to deserve a pay rise.

A simple 2 year extension is all he's worth, otherwise there would be genuine interest from another club.

With the new CBA $400k is close to the average

It isn't huge money and likely a pay cut.

 

[ArdentEagle]

Zz on his way to the top.

He's got legs, he knows how to use them.
He's a Rough Boy!
Perfect forward too - He can Double Back.


I'm gong to leave Tush and Pearl Necklace alone however!!!

 

[Dark Sharks]

I made 370k once.

It's not what it's cracked up to be. Tax man took my pants down, no dinner, no nice meal first... nothing.



Not sure my anooos has fully recovered tbh.