List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion, 2023: Picks 1,20,34,39,53 ,58

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Wooshaaaa]

When De Goey went to Germany to visit Hamstring Hans he partially paid for it.

Hannebery also went OS for treatment and I believe he paid for all of it.

Athletes have personal responsibility for their own bodies, and it is not too much to ask for them to contribute to their own specialist services above and beyond ordinary rehab/injury prevention.

So would you pay for a work related injury suffered in the work place? I bet you wouldn't. You would expect work cover to cover all the bills. This is why medical costs need to be exempt from the soft cap.

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[Wooshaaaa]

Wanted to throttle Simmo every time he threw Yeo into the guts this year.

I've been shouting that since this time last year. I was almost "run out of town" on this very forum for suggesting it.

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[Chris_6678]

Who cares who pays who. They are going out of their way to get their body fit.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

So would you pay for a work related injury suffered in the work place? I bet you wouldn't. You would expect work cover to cover all the bills. This is why medical costs need to be exempt from the soft cap.

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As others have said, work cover will pay for some costs, not all of them regardless of the expense .

If the injury could be fixed by you spending time in a zero gravity environment, they might pay to put you in some sort of simulator. They won’t pay for you to go up to the international space station.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Not sure how bidding within x-positions would work. There's have to be some accurate crystal balls for clubs to have the draft capital ready to roll out.

E.g. FS projected to go pick 15, so destination club has pick around that mark handy. Someone unexpectedly bids on him at pick 10. Now destination club has no way of obtaining him.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the current points system, it's the discounts & use of unlimited minor picks that grinds the gears.
Maybe remove discount and limit it to 2 draft pick combos only.

Clubs have a pretty good idea; they already do this by amassing points. Secondly, if you don't rate the player anywhere near the bid position why would you both amass draft capital to expend on the player, if someone bid on Bailey Banfield, we wouldn't be rushing up the draft order to select him would we?

In any case live trading exists.

 

[ArdentEagle]

You know Gov and HEdwards also partially paid, right?

No I didn't. I still don't really like it though.

Perhaps we're having a real clean out

 

[ArdentEagle]

Didnt 3 of them go for treatment? Hedwards and gov? (Could be wrong)
An article a few weeks ago said they'd gone for treatment and were paying for some of it themselves

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I just found out mate. I think it's a dick move by the club really. We've got coin, we should be looking after our players

 

[bzparkes]

I just found out mate. I think it's a dick move by the club really. We've got coin, we should be looking after our players

Not really. They do look after them. You can't expect your employer to pay for every single expense you incur. They provide pretty much everything else anyway. Otherwise, why not have the club pay for those Bali camps the players took themselves on last year?

The fact they're actually help paying to send them to Qatar during the off-season to begin with is more than they should expect.

Sure the club gets a benefit from it but so do the players.

 

[shooshka]

So 19's trade value for points is also devalued because the AFL is handing out assistance and compo picks to it seems everyone else.......except for the team that finished stone morherless last!

The reason why we will need priority assistance in another year is because our natural picks apart from our 1st are being pushed into the 30's by giving other clubs assistance.

AFL creating a welfare mentality. And jobs for the boys.

Well that depends when we trade it (which in many ways is the dumbest part).

Our current selection 20 (probably 21 or later after compo) retains its points value at the Walter bid, then goes lower each time a bid is matched.

Dealing it to the GC for 10 would be good business (essentially we get pick 20/21 points value for pick 27).


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[shooshka]

I just found out mate. I think it's a dick move by the club really. We've got coin, we should be looking after our players

Soft cap is the problem.

It is why the AFL should remove medical from the cap (won’t because of minnows though).




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[Obeanie1]

Well that depends when we trade it (which in many ways is the dumbest part).

Our current selection 20 (probably 21 or later after compo) retains its points value at the Walter bid, then goes lower each time a bid is matched.

Dealing it to the GC for 10 would be good business (essentially we get pick 20/21 points value for pick 27).


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We should be trading for 10 for sure if they have it.

Good points.

 

[BartBart]

It’d be nice to have an uncompromised draft.

Priority picks screwed the drafts in the 2000’s along with a far too generous F/S system

Then just as the PP system was being phased out we had the expansion drafts of Gold Coast and GWS coupled with the introduction of free agency along with its flawed compensation system

Just as the impacts of expansion started to diminish along came the academies

It’s all a bit of a mess and even if it’s gets resolved soon there’s the Tasmanian team entering the comp on the horizon in 2028

The newly agreed CBA expires in 2027. That should be the AFL’s target to resolve all the inequities and unintended consequences that currently exist. Some solutions don’t need to wait until 2027 to be introduced

Academies

I accept that the academies are a necessary evil of growing the game in the northern states and they are part of the solution to player retention for those clubs

However, eligibility to academies needs to be tightened. Father/sons of clubs should be excluded - see Nick Blakely and Hodges’ kids. Also kids who relocate from another state that have already been introduced to Aussie rules after a certain age should also be exempt - see Walter

Then the bidding system needs to be fine tuned. The points system is ok but do away with the silly 20% discount which is irrelevant given points have no other purpose. I’d also suggest that to match a bid a club needs to forfeit at least one pick within 18 places (the equivalent of one round of picks) plus whatever else is necessary to match any points deficit

For example, for a bid on Walter at 2 Gold Coast would need to use pick 20 or lower than other picks to match points. Then if Read is bid on at say 5, they’d need pick 23 or lower as a minimum. In this instance, trading away pick 4 becomes a risk

Father/Sons

Retain the existing system but matching bids is the same as academy bids explained above

Free Agency

Do away with restricted FA and compensation. If you must have compensation then nothing in the first round and remove any attachment to ladder position - compensation to be beginning of or middle of a round with beginning of round 2 the highest possible compensation.

Players to be eligible for FA after 8 years with a limited eligibility after 6 years designed to help lower clubs and handicap top clubs as follows :

• Top 6 clubs unable to sign a FA with 6 year’s service
• Bottom 6 clubs able to sign a FA with 6 years service AND have players with 6 years on their list protected from FA
• Middle 6 clubs are able to sign players with 6 year’s service as a FA (excluding from bottom 6 teams) and can’t lose players with 6 years service to a top 6 team

This stops contending clubs poaching players entering their prime from bottom clubs and gives lower clubs the ability to chase free agents from higher clubs to fast track a rebuild

The academy and F/S changes could be made next year whilst the FA changes probably need to wait until the next CBA. The compensation for FA could be made sooner though

Not to mention the Tasmania picks in a few years assuming NM don't relocate.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Please draft him...we'll deal with whatever in three years time.

 

[ShaunDuggan]

Please draft him...we'll deal with whatever in three years time.

Anyone got the copy paste from this article?

 

[Keys]

Anyone got the copy paste from this article?

The above is a Stickdick copy pasta from this article that isn’t paywalled

A really great article on Harley.
And I'm not just saying it because they used my photos throughout the article.

Reid's manager strongly condemned and denied the rumour, and Reid himself reiterated it was not true, saying that he would be happy to become an Eagle.

"Obviously, Perth is a long way, but when you look at it, if you ever have got to really move interstate, I feel like it would be best to do it at the start of your career," he said.

"It's everyone's dream, really, so you'd be probably silly not to take the opportunity."

"It's an honour to be drafted and I'll be happy just to play AFL footy, wherever that is."

'You'd be probably silly not to take the opportunity': Harley Reid opens up on country life and the prospect of moving to Perth

 

[JackOutback]

As others have said, work cover will pay for some costs, not all of them regardless of the expense .

If the injury could be fixed by you spending time in a zero gravity environment, they might pay to put you in some sort of simulator. They won’t pay for you to go up to the international space station.

 

[MrWoollie]

I just found out mate. I think it's a dick move by the club really. We've got coin, we should be looking after our players

We've got coin but we're not allowed to spend it without getting AFL tax whacked at ridiculous levels.

Not allowed to pay extra wages to get stars (salary cap), not allowed to spend money on rehab, S&C staff, extra physios or doctors or specialists (soft cap), not allowed to lease aircraft to help with travel wear and tear (soft cap) etc.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

As others have said, work cover will pay for some costs, not all of them regardless of the expense .

If the injury could be fixed by you spending time in a zero gravity environment, they might pay to put you in some sort of simulator. They won’t pay for you to go up to the international space station.

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[ArdentEagle]

Not really. They do look after them. You can't expect your employer to pay for every single expense you incur. They provide pretty much everything else anyway. Otherwise, why not have the club pay for those Bali camps the players took themselves on last year?

The fact they're actually help paying to send them to Qatar during the off-season to begin with is more than they should expect.

Sure the club gets a benefit from it but so do the players.

I'm of the opinion, if it's a work related injury, they should cover the whole thing.

 

[ArdentEagle]

We've got coin but we're not allowed to spend it without getting AFL tax whacked at ridiculous levels.

Not allowed to pay extra wages to get stars (salary cap), not allowed to spend money on rehab, S&C staff, extra physios or doctors or specialists (soft cap), not allowed to lease aircraft to help with travel wear and tear (soft cap) etc.

I understand but this isn't a Simmo payout. We could comp for sure. I just don't agree on this one. They could have covered the whole costs.

 

[bzparkes]

I'm of the opinion, if it's a work related injury, they should cover the whole thing.

They do.

But if you decide on your own volition to seek out an independent medical practitioner, that's on you.

In any industry.

It'd be like telling your insurance company you'll damn well choose your own mechanic and they're dicks if they don't let you.


Not that I'm suggesting insurance companies aren't dicks...

 

[ArdentEagle]

They do.

But if you decide on your own volition to seek out an independent medical practitioner, that's on you.

In any industry.

It'd be like telling your insurance company you'll damn well choose your own mechanic and they're dicks if they don't let you.


Not that I'm suggesting insurance companies aren't dicks...

Some insurance companies do let you pick your own mechanic. Mine does.
It's in clubs interest to get you working to peak efficiency as soon as possible.

I don't agree with it.

 

[The Stid]

Is the Futures Match usually streamed anywhere?

 

[Keys]

Is the Futures Match usually streamed anywhere?

Don’t they broadcast it as part of the GF coverage?

 

[The Stid]

Don’t they broadcast it as part of the GF coverage?

An article just popped up on X regarding this game, it’ll be streamed on the AFL App/website