List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2021 offseason edition

[Keys]

So the 2021 season is officially done and dusted.

It’s time now to fully turn our attention to the off season and what we can do through the trade period/draft to chase down Melbourne in 2022.

List and personnel changes have already been made and I’ll update this OP as and when any further changes are made.

As it stands these are our official list changes :

Out -
• Venables (R) - retired
• Vardy - retired
• Hutchings (R) - delisted
• Ah Chee (R) - delisted
• Ainsworth - delisted
• Johnson - delisted
• Collins (R) - delisted
• Brander - cluster****
• Cameron - retired/delisted not that it was officially acknowledged by the club
• Sheppard - retired

Inactive listed -
• Cole
• Chesser

In -
• Petrevski-Seton - traded for pick 52
• Chesser - Pick 14
• Hough - Pick 31
• Bazzo - Pick 37
• Williams (Jack) - Pick 57
• Clark - Pick 62
• Dixon - SSP
• Joyce - SSP
• Strnadica - SSP
• Naish - SSP

Players on main list - 37 (Including 2 inactive)
Players on rookie list - 7

Future trade picks :
In - Port Adelaide future 2nd
Out - Future 4th

Assistant Coaches :
• Out - Graham, Hickmott
• In - Schofield (Strategy and Stoppage), Knights (Midfield), Wiley (WAFL coach), Brennan (development)

Link to contract status of all players -

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[WCE_Talk]

Fremantle and us apparently very interested in Josh Rachele


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[Miguel Sanchez]

Stop deleting all the posts you mod campaigners.

Watching Fivey argue with people is a board meme and I refuse to have it taken away.

Mods from Wish?

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

Fivey rn.

 

[shooshka]

You’re the one who told the other poster to take a history lesson.

What would he have learned?

I learnt that tanking comes from boxing, and taking a dive is what people do into swimming pools, known in the US at the time as tanks.

What I didn't learn is whether that only applies to teams who play senior players out of position so they lose, or if it also applies to teams who trade away senior players which will result in them losing most games (which is the plan).

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[Cornelius Roy]

Fremantle and us apparently very interested in Josh Rachele


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Perhaps we see him having the ability to play through the midfield one day.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Fivey rn.

Me actually trying any of those moves

 

[shooshka]

It was actually Melbourne's 1st rnd pick for 2022 (not Adelaide's R2 pick - admittedly probably not a lot of difference) so technically 3 x 1st round picks - 2 of which are likely to be in the top 5 or 6.

That's a huge price & smacks of desperation

Yep. On 2021 positions:

4 (2021)
4 (2022)
18 (2022)

For
1 (2021)
19 (2022)

If Adelaide hold or get worse, Nth improve at all, and Melbourne fails to go B2B then that is a massive price.

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[WCE_Talk]

Perhaps we see him having the ability to play through the midfield one day.

Possibly, I don’t mind this pick at all though, he rips games apart.


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[Keys]

Stop deleting all the posts you mod campaigners.

Watching Fivey argue with people is a board meme and I refuse to have it taken away.

No

 

[Free Agent]

I may be very much in the minority, but i would absolutely take Mac Andrews at 10

The concern for me would be our strength on conditioning team.........Andrews, realistically, is needing to put on about 20kgs to be truly competitive (he presently weights 70kgs). And our strength and conditioning teams are not know for churning out brutes....

As someone earlier in the thread said, he could be Tony Notte

Tony Notte

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

0.5

1star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

6.5

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.5

3star

M

0.5

1star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

V2.0

With a top line strength and conditioning team though, i would select him in a heartbeat. But knowing us, after 3 years in the system, he probably ends up looking much the same

Still, i am sure he would be posting a great 2km time trial result......

Agreed we despretely need youth. We sort of become a retirement village last few season.

No trading draft picks. Pick 10 is alright but after next season when Kennedy and Hurn retire we should be looking to offload players and try to work out how to get a top 3 pick. We in the list period where we need to find a few top talent superstars in the draft and develop them to take us to the next era. 2022 is the last season with this aging list. Big things need to happen list wise regardless of next year's result come end of 2022 season.

Trades to be done for picks and focus on bringing in the youth these next few off season.

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[JackOutback]

Mr Ray of sunshine predictable as usual. Opinions, not sheep stations. In mine Simmo should have got the arse for that coaching train wreck year from hell but I can live with the assistants clean out. As for the players, at the very least we should have publically shopped a few around after the sh*t they dished up this year. I quite liked Sam Mitchells approach to the draft stating all his +26 yo players are expendable, at the very least it gets the whole list on edge and in fear of the bastard calling the shots. Clearly the shadow mastermind of 2018

Fear as a motivator is generally short term and more likely to breed resentment. It’s a sign of lack in leadership, not the opposite. It certainly wasn’t the driver in 2018 (family, friends, flags).

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Perhaps we see him having the ability to play through the midfield one day.

If we want someone to play through the midfield, WHY NOT PICK AN INSIDE OR BALANCED MID.

We need to tell the Pieman to deliver on what he has not been able to do since Shuey in the 2008 draft.

Deliver us a high priority genuine midfielder that will help us win contested ball.

If there were very few genuine midfield options around our pick, fine, we have to make do. But in this draft, FFS, there are half a dozen that would make sense at pick 10. And while he is at it, another mid at one of 29 or 35 please.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Fremantle and us apparently very interested in Josh Rachele


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Can't say I'm disappointed with this, he's very classy and one of the first players I thought wow about in this draft class.
IMO a better Erasmus.

But still a half fwd, that can play midfield.

 

[ArdentEagle]

It was actually Melbourne's 1st rnd pick for 2022 (not Adelaide's R2 pick - admittedly probably not a lot of difference) so technically 3 x 1st round picks - 2 of which are likely to be in the top 5 or 6.

That's a huge price & smacks of desperation

Wow!
How would you rate him?
Have to be a potential generational talent for that price. Surely?

 

[Keys]

Agreed we despretely need youth. We sort of become a retirement village last few season.

No trading draft picks. Pick 10 is alright but after next season when Kennedy and Hurn retire we should be looking to offload players and try to work out how to get a top 3 pick. We in the list period where we need to find a few top talent superstars in the draft and develop them to take us to the next era. 2022 is the last season with this aging list. Big things need to happen list wise regardless of next year's result come end of 2022 season.

Trades to be done for picks and focus on bringing in the youth these next few off season.

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Players off contract end of next year

Priority signings - Barrass, Rioli

Veterans- Hurn, Kennedy, Shuey, Redden, Naitanui

Form dependant - Cole, Nelson, Witherden, Jones

Emerging - Williams, HEdwards, LEdwards, Winder, Jamieson, Trew, West

Unless me start moving contracted players all of a sudden I’m not sure what you’re hoping for is going to happen

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

In 2013 we took Sheed - good job team and delivering a midfielder (I was thinking he was more balanced but is proving more outside)
In 2014, we were told Duggan was a midfielder despite most of his Western Jest being as a HBF with the occasional run through the midfield
In 2015, we traded for Redden and hoped Partington would be our inside mid
In 2016, we were fed a story that Venables was a midfielder, despite all his footage in teh carnival indicating a class HFF with an occasional run through the middle.
In 2017 we took 2 talls and then 2 forwards and then an overage Ainsworth who .... we know how this finished. We were told Allen may be that mid (yes - a ruck mid). It was our KPP we picked first that we screwed up his development as a winger and now he is almost out of th eclub
In 2018 we took XON and Foley hoping they were mids but neither there yet
In 2019 we traded for Kelly and have only Jamieson left on the list from that draft
In 2020 we were still impacted by the Kelly deal did we did manage to get Luke Edwards

Grim reading

 

[ArdentEagle]

Can't say I'm disappointed with this, he's very classy and one of the first players I thought wow about in this draft class.
IMO a better Erasmus.

But still a half fwd, that can play midfield.

The way I see it, its more about a group of draftees or combination thereof.
If Rachele is clearly the best player on the board then I'm fine with us taking him but then we need to balance it out by taking the best inside mid at our next pick. Gotta admit, I have a bit of a football crush on Sheldrick now after that final.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

If we want someone to play through the midfield, WHY NOT PICK AN INSIDE OR BALANCED MID.

We need to tell the Pieman to deliver on what he has not been able to do since Shuey in the 2008 draft.

Deliver us a high priority genuine midfielder that will help us win contested ball.

If there were very few genuine midfield options around our pick, fine, we have to make do. But in this draft, FFS, there are half a dozen that would make sense at pick 10. And while he is at it, another mid at one of 29 or 35 please.

Agreed, I was just taking the piss. Honestly, my biggest hope is that somehow Hobbs slides to us which won’t happen.

 

[ArdentEagle]

AsterixTheGaul
If the WA boys, Callahan, Ward, Hobbs and Goater are all off the board by our first pick. Who would you go for? (Wilmot is primarily a defender?)

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

AsterixTheGaul
If the WA boys, Callahan, Ward, Hobbs and Goater are all off the board by our first pick. Who would you go for? (Wilmot is primarily a defender?)

Roberts, Goater are probably my next 2

 

[Monocle]

Possibly, I don’t mind this pick at all though, he rips games apart.


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Nice that he rips games apart, but I would feel a lot more upbeat about taking him at pick # 10, if I knew that he could do a midfield rotation and not just solely be a HFF.

Can't say I'm disappointed with this, he's very classy and one of the first players I thought wow about in this draft class.
IMO a better Erasmus.

But still a half fwd, that can play midfield.

No question, ECE, that he is a quality footballer and a very smooth mover, I hear that his leadership qualities are also top notch

Also a very nuggety little bugger and he would be an ideal replacement for Cripps



But my question to both of you is this:

Who is going to get it to him in the forward line, if we don't start getting some contested ball winners, to play further up the ground ?

This is why it's a real bastard that we haven't been able to see the players in the Championships.

That said if MJ and Erasmus are off the board come our pick then I could live with taking him at # 10, he is a very silky one touch player.

ECE have you seen him play any midfield minutes ?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

In 2013 we took Sheed - good job team and delivering a midfielder (I was thinking he was more balanced but is proving more outside)
In 2014, we were told Duggan was a midfielder despite most of his Western Jest being as a HBF with the occasional run through the midfield
In 2015, we traded for Redden and hoped Partington would be our inside mid
In 2016, we were fed a story that Venables was a midfielder, despite all his footage in teh carnival indicating a class HFF with an occasional run through the middle.
In 2017 we took 2 talls and then 2 forwards and then an overage Ainsworth who .... we know how this finished. We were told Allen may be that mid (yes - a ruck mid). It was our KPP we picked first that we screwed up his development as a winger and now he is almost out of th eclub
In 2018 we took XON and Foley hoping they were mids but neither there yet
In 2019 we traded for Kelly and have only Jamieson left on the list from that draft
In 2020 we were still impacted by the Kelly deal did we did manage to get Luke Edwards

Grim reading

Really ?
Redden was runner up BnF in a premiership year
Sheed was 2nd best on ground in the GF including slotting the winning goal
Duggan is good and if you look at his draft year a good pick
Venables had all the physical attributes to be a midfielder akin to shuey

But I agree we over paid for Kelly. Should have kept that earlier 2nd rounder minimum .
I don't hate the jammo pick . Unfortunately at that point in the draft you pick a player with good attributes who need developing. Jammo showed more talent as a pure ruck than Williams this year .

This draft/trading won a flag for us and Kelly was our best mid this year until he injured his knee then he was puss obviously due to playing through injury .

Seriously we won a flag 3 years ago

 

[WCE_Talk]

Nice that he rips games apart, but I would feel a lot more upbeat about taking him at pick # 10, if I knew that he could do a midfield rotation and not just solely be a HFF.




No question, ECE, that he is a quality footballer and a very smooth mover, I hear that his leadership qualities are also top notch

Also a very nuggety little bugger and he would be an ideal replacement for Cripps



But my question to both of you is this:

Who is going to get it to him in the forward line, if we don't start getting some contested ball winners, to play further up the ground ?

This is why it's a real bastard that we haven't been able to see the players in the Championships.

That said if MJ and Erasmus are off the board come our pick then I could live with taking him at # 10, he is a very silky one touch player.

ECE have you seen him play any midfield minutes ?

He has been very effective at pinch hitting in the midfield, whether he can do that at AFL level in the future isn’t a guarantee. He wouldn’t be my first choice because as you said, I agree we need a pure midfielder, I just wouldn’t be mad if we took Rachele if all the truly quality midfielders were gone before our pick.


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[AsterixTheGaul]

Really ?
Redden was runner up BnF in a premiership year
Sheed was 2nd best on ground in the GF including slotting the winning goal
Duggan is good and if you look at his draft year a good pick
Venables had all the physical attributes to be a midfielder akin to shuey

But I agree we over paid for Kelly. Should have kept that earlier 2nd rounder minimum .
I don't hate the jammo pick . Unfortunately at that point in the draft you pick a player with good attributes who need developing. Jammo showed more talent as a pure ruck than Williams this year .

This draft/trading won a flag for us and Kelly was our best mid this year until he injured his knee then he was puss obviously due to playing through injury .

Seriously we won a flag 3 years ago

I’m not talking list build, I’m focussing in on the Pieman’s blind spot.

He is terrific in other areas. Talls, hbf, forwards

We traded for a Kelly, Redden and Yeo.

So in 2021 when we have a group of mids lining up at our pick, he needs to take one.

 

[Monocle]

He has been very effective at pinch hitting in the midfield, whether he can do that at AFL level in the future isn’t a guarantee. He wouldn’t be my first choice because as you said, I agree we need a pure midfielder, I just wouldn’t be mad if we took Rachele if all the truly quality midfielders were gone before our pick.


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