List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[shooshka]

Yep, happens each year and nab league is significantly weakened.

But I was hoping it happened as I really wanted to see him play midfield. As previously stated and as you can probably recall this was coming of age for Finn Callaghan last year. He got more inside midfield time, and it accelerated his growth as he did it with aplomb. No different for Sheezel, and just hopefully means he gets a run through there at the champs now. He was still up against Dozzi, who quite a proficient midfielder.

It's good for us.

We are looking like pick 1, or at worst pick 2. Very, very small chance it will be pick 3.

The more players that push themselves into that potentially elite bracket - and into the top 1 calculation - the better off we are.

Both because we would have a greater range of players to select from, and also because there is the opportunity that some teams have different rankings to us - so may want to get up the queue to get a player. At the moment with Ashcroft and Wardlaw the clear top 2, trading down from #1 would seemingly be a terrible move. If that becomes a group of 4 or 5 players then maybe trading down (potentially getting a 2nd or even late 1st depending on how far back we go) might be viable.

 

[Schtinker]

It's good for us.

We are looking like pick 1, or at worst pick 2. Very, very small chance it will be pick 3.

The more players that push themselves into that potentially elite bracket - and into the top 1 calculation - the better off we are.

Both because we would have a greater range of players to select from, and also because there is the opportunity that some teams have different rankings to us - so may want to get up the queue to get a player. At the moment with Ashcroft and Wardlaw the clear top 2, trading down from #1 would seemingly be a terrible move. If that becomes a group of 4 or 5 players then maybe trading down (potentially getting a 2nd or even late 1st depending on how far back we go) might be viable.

Also gives Rohan more choice which isn't necessarily a good thing.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Are you all saying Hewitt and Broadbent were better last year than this year?

Pie Man hyperventilating as we speak. One of them will be pick one now.

 

[archiemoses]

Pie man will split pick one for two top tens and take Hewett and Broadbent

 

[kane249]

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[Obeanie1]

That’s the point though. Teams at the bottom would have an incentive to cash in. Get draft picks, strengthen their chances of losing games to improve their own picks, and remove salary from their books. Happy days.

Imagine if we said, oh we are screwed, let’s trade gov (let’s assume gov wants to win and says yes) to the saints/blues to solve their backline issues he’s 30 and on big $’s. We’ll get back their first pick.

Saints jump up into premiership contenders, we lock in wooden spoon. Win win all round. Except for us being absolutely unwatchable.

We are unwatchable now.

If two clubs and said player all think it is for the best then go for it.

What about a fringe player who cant get consistent games and will look elsewhere anyway. The team trading would get more mid season than at seasons end.

Lots of scenarios. And yes if clubs stuff up hey stuff up.

 

[Convocation]

Not sure where I should put this, and/or if someone has already pointed it out, but on coast to coast podcast, Oscar made the comment that he could see Tom Cole

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going into a midfield role. The presumption would be, that they have trialed Tom in this position during training in the past and his shown something.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Not sure where I should put this, and/or if someone has already pointed it out, but on coast to coast podcast, Oscar made the comment that he could see Tom Cole going into a midfield role. The presumption would be, that they have trialed Tom in this position during training in the past and his shown something.

So what you're saying is that he's a half back flanker with midfield potential?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

We are unwatchable now.

If two clubs and said player all think it is for the best then go for it.

What about a fringe player who cant get consistent games and will look elsewhere anyway. The team trading would get more mid season than at seasons end.

Lots of scenarios. And yes if clubs stuff up hey stuff up.

I have no issues with fringe players.

Issue is that you’re guaranteed to see teams lower down give up contributing players for future picks. Would cause teams lower down to get far worse, good teams get better.

You just have to be prepared to see that happen and be ok with it if you want mid season trades.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

We are unwatchable now.

If two clubs and said player all think it is for the best then go for it.

What about a fringe player who cant get consistent games and will look elsewhere anyway. The team trading would get more mid season than at seasons end.

Lots of scenarios. And yes if clubs stuff up hey stuff up.

Spot on that we are unwatchable at the moment.

A Freo mate was away for the weekend and passed his tickets to me. I am needing a fix of decent live football that is enjoyable and Lions v Dockers filled the need. Going to the game, I felt like I was going next door to see the FIFO's wife as my wife was in hospital for a hysterectomy. Oh dear.

Yes, I felt dirty. But there again I feel no joy going to the Eagles games now (and this year I went to all bar 1 of the AFLW miserable games to make matters worse). The Sunday game was excellent and was a difference it was to see the players having fun and able to show their skills. Leadership on all lines - something our boys seem void of ATM. It was also refreshing to see two teams evenly matched in the midfield. You know the midfield - that is what most clubs call their engine room and we call it our low priority. Full of players from both sides who get a lot of the ball and put on pressure.

So yes, trading Guv and Gaff mid season would not be an issue for me. Both have been on LT contracts and in the back end of their careers. They are senior players that show very little leadership on the field and would benefit from a fresh start and a chance to be at the pointy end of the competition before they retire.

Get a late first for Guv and a mid to late 2nd for Gaff and it accelerates the rebuild. We still have the likes of Barrass, Edwards, Duggan, Cole in defence to bring in youth around them and while Simpson stubbornly plays Gaff as an inside mid, he is no loss. Might even do a bit better on picks if we wear all of this year and even possibly some of next years salary hit.

I could see a Doggies/Blues/Saints wanting Guv - they may even add another year or so on his deal.

Gaff has less appeal and maybe a Cats or Giants team might appreciate his outside run. Gaff has been good over the years with his fitness so no drama or another 2 or 3 years at the right club.

I would go a step further than just a midseason trade - suggest the AFLPA desire for lower free agency to be countered with clubs trading them (so long as they are better off financially with the deal - a la the US model). Drop FA to 5 years with no compensation inside the first 2 rounds and a proviso that players are on a similar if not better deal.

I realise this is all hypothetical but it highlights to me the need for increased options in list management.

 

[Monocle]

Not sure where I should put this, and/or if someone has already pointed it out, but on coast to coast podcast, Oscar made the comment that he could see Tom Cole going into a midfield role. The presumption would be, that they have trialed Tom in this position during training in the past and his shown something.

Tom Cole has played as a midfielder before, in his draft cohort year both for VIC Country and also at his TAC Cup Club - Bendigo Pioneers.
We nabbed him in his draft year as he was defiantly on Hawthorn’s radar and a contact of mine had told me pre draft that he thought Cole was going to be a mid at the Hawks.
We took him with pick 36 and the Hawks had pick 44.

So I am not surprised with those comments.

 

[Schtinker]

Tom Cole has played as a midfielder before , in his draft cohort year both for VIC Country and also as his TAC Cup Club - Bendigo Pioneers.
So I am not surprised with those comments.

Tom Cole could be the next Liam Duggan

 

[Cuzz09]

Tom Cole

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1.8

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was looking like the new LeCras when he bobbed forward in 2020.

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[Monocle]

Tom Cole could be the next Liam Duggan

Tom Cole was looking like the new LeCras when he bobbed forward in 2020.

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From what I watched of Cole in his draft year there is absolutely no reason why he can’t play as a mid in the AFL.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Not sure where I should put this, and/or if someone has already pointed it out, but on coast to coast podcast, Oscar made the comment that he could see Tom Cole going into a midfield role. The presumption would be, that they have trialed Tom in this position during training in the past and his shown something.

Cole has played midfield as a junior and I understood why he went HBF but happy to see the Schofield or Knights see possibilities as a mid.

He would free up Gaff to go back to his wing. He actually lays tackles and would be putting a load more pressure on at the contest versus Sheed or Gaff.

Is he a dynamic mid? Not from the games I saw in the carnival but he was more than serviceable. Apart from his injury this year, he has been healthy and robust week to week.

Better skills that West and should offer some maturity in an area of weakness. As a reference point, I see more midfield in Tom than I did in Veneables.

 

[Convocation]

Cole has played midfield as a junior and I understood why he went HBF but happy to see the Schofield or Knights see possibilities as a mid.

He would free up Gaff to go back to his wing. He actually lays tackles and would be putting a load more pressure on at the contest versus Sheed or Gaff.

Is he a dynamic mid? Not from the games I saw in the carnival but he was more than serviceable. Apart from his injury this year, he has been healthy and robust week to week.

Better skills that West and should offer some maturity in an area of weakness. As a reference point, I see more midfield in Tom than I did in Veneables.

Appreciate the insight from yourself and Monocle.
Will be genuinely interesting to see (bar injuries/monkey pox outbreak) how we line up next year, and what a full pre-season (hopefully), under Knights/Schofield looks like.

Tom Cole draft profiles for those interested (Align with AsterixTheGaul and Monocle thoughts.

2015 Draft Profile: Tom Cole

Tom Cole (Bendigo Pioneers) Height: 186 cm Weight: 80 kg Position: Utility Player comparison: Matthew Boyd Strengths: Versatility, inside work, leadership Weaknesses: Speed, outside game First year impact: Low to medium Bendigo’s Tom Cole is your footballer’s footballer. There is nothing too...

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17 days to the draft: Meet the classy and versatile Tom Cole

The classy and versatile defender could be a draft bargain

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[JackOutback]

Tom Cole was looking like the new LeCras when he bobbed forward in 2020.

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Try him in the ruck, I say.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Biggie - appreciate your thoughts on Kane Bevan. He is a Falcon and came from the junior club I think you are familiar with


He is getting a load of it at Colts and is damn consistent. Looking at the power rankings, he is not in side the top 25 meaning he could be there for our or Port's second rounder.

 

[Dugg]

From what I watched of Cole in his draft year there is absolutely no reason why he can’t play as a mid in the AFL.

For what it's worth, Allen was on board this train on one of the recent podcasts

 

[WCE_phil]

Biggie - appreciate your thoughts on Kane Bevan. He is a Falcon and came from the junior club I think you are familiar with


He is getting a load of it at Colts and is damn consistent. Looking at the power rankings, he is not in side the top 25 meaning he could be there for our or Port's second rounder.

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Knocks are speed, lack of outside game and kicking. His hands are good, not great. I'd suggest a third round type at this stage but could go much lower. Is very physically developed in comparison to a lot of the guys he's playing against and WA doesn't have a lot of top mid potential in this years draft. If he goes and has a great champs and then comes back and plays seniors he could go up the rankings but has some serious red flags. Essentially like any player likely to be drafted late second round onwards in any draft.

 

[WCE_phil]

Just in regards to Hewett he is slipping as there has been no sign of development over last year. He is still WA's leading midfield prospect and has versatility over the ground. He needs to have a big champs as that balanced mid and then come back to WAFL level and step it up a level to re-enter that top 5 pick area.

I'd like to see him go back to colts or even ressies and play his preferred position for a few games to rebuild confidence.

In regards to Broadbent I still rate him very highly. His knocks are that although he has a late Birthday he looks to be very, very physically developed for his age (man child like darling) and the scope for further improvement isn't huge and that he isn't overly athletic or tall. In saying that I think he is WA's second best tall prospect and still the leading true ruck prospect in the draft. Has very good skills for a ruck and is a good tap ruckman. I thought considering he was playing against men and two rucks to one with just a bit of support from Scully he was exceptional in the academy game.

I think recruiters ask too much. I don't think he's going to be a superstar ruck in the AFL but in a professional environment can see him being a very consistent lead ruck after only a couple of years and in that next tier down. If you need a ruck (we bloody well do) he is a very, very good prospect and I would consider him an almost certainty to play 200 AFL games. The knock is that he seems to be the same player now as he was coming from Collie 2 years ago. I do tend to overrate rucks and outside of his skills he has a fair few Scott Jones vibes about him. He has also been outpointed in the ruck at least last once even at colts level this year. His best game of the year was the academy game. You're hoping for a Todd Goldstein

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in drafting him but with better kicking skills. You could however particularly in this age of taller and taller players end up with a not overly athletic ruck who struggles against taller, developed men and doesn't make it however I think he will always be a physical beast similar to Darling in that he is very strong for his size. So perhaps a mumford with better skills is a more apt description.

At the game I actually had him best on ground for the Academy. Only after the TV rewatch did I change that call to Wardlaw.

 

[Biggie]

Biggie - appreciate your thoughts on Kane Bevan. He is a Falcon and came from the junior club I think you are familiar with


He is getting a load of it at Colts and is damn consistent. Looking at the power rankings, he is not in side the top 25 meaning he could be there for our or Port's second rounder.

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Love to help you mate. I’m not across the junior males however I know people who are. Gimme 24hrs or so

 

[Biggie]

Knocks are speed, lack of outside game and kicking. His hands are good, not great. I'd suggest a third round type at this stage but could go much lower. Is very physically developed in comparison to a lot of the guys he's playing against and WA doesn't have a lot of top mid potential in this years draft. If he goes and has a great champs and then comes back and plays seniors he could go up the rankings but has some serious red flags. Essentially like any player likely to be drafted late second round onwards in any draft.

Or Phil can answer

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Nah, missed it. Decided to watch WC vs Adelaide, clearly I'm a masochist. The replay is up now though, so I'll definitely take a look.

Watched first half this morning, was all class in windy conditions! Movement at stoppages was a highlight and overall disposal.

 

[Mattman93]

Watched first half this morning, was all class in windy conditions! Movement at stoppages was a highlight and overall disposal.

Where can I watch this?