List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

No one remembers spoons. Everyone remembers flags.

Unless you're St Kilda, in which case you remember the Wizard Cups

 

[shooshka]

A lot of great ideas AsterixTheGaul
3. All players drafted interstate get a $25k additional payment for the period of their initial contract. This to be outside the cap.
Great idea but needs a little work. I assume most players move in some way, even if it's country vic (say somewhere like Mildura) to Melbourne it's far enough removed from family to warrant the extra cash.

4.a) First round picks are contracted for 4 years, second round 3 years, third and fourth rounders for 2 years and all later picks for 1 year.
From what I can tell about contracts it should be done your way with incentives to encourage the idea that once you're drafted you're there for the long haul. However there creates problems with less flexibility as essentially everyone will be on longer contracts than they deserve. A pick #40 who technically is a 2nd rounder may only warrant 2 years but be locked into a 3rd.

4.b) (note that the rookie draft is eliminated and clubs have a chance to pass a pick and come back in later in the draft.
Abolishing the rookie list and adding the extra cash to the salary cap is a straightforward idea and leave the rookie list as catB or overseas only. However from a list management point of view I love the extra time between the National and Rookie drafts to assess what you've ended up with and re calibrate with that in mind. As the ND is currently 2 days it should be possible to stretch it to a 3rd or just compact it to 2 longer days with plenty of time for picks.

6. To match an academy bid or a F/S bid, the matching club must have a draft pick within 17 places of where the bid was made.
The idea that a top 4 team can have pick 1 or 2 is ridiculous. There needs to be something done, I think a change in the points allocated to each pick should fix it up with top picks doubling in value. And no discount for top 10.

8. Eliminate the rule of needing to use 2 first round picks in a 4 year period. If list managers want to go different routes, then let them.
Stupid rule anyway. Teams bottom out and picks $18 & $19 4 years ago wont stop that.


The FA system is essentially broken. Compensation picks are either overs or unders in a lot of cases. Its definitely skewed to bigger Victorian clubs attracting better players. Savvy teams like Hawthorn and Richmond have gotten All Australian level talent for free and kept their draft hand intact while competing for flags at the same time.
Scrap compensation picks and then perhaps any FA inbound must count 50% extra to the salary cap and vice versa. If a player moves for cash then this will solve that problem, and if they move for success then the top team isnt getting that much of a free hit.

Scrap any mid season player aqcuisitions altogether. The mid season draft was originally designed with the idea for a club to top up because of injuries. However its now just a pre-draft with problems where the only pickups are 19 yr olds.
A mid season trade period would ruin the fabric of the game. Down periods create the fortitude for strong teams. Many players would be expected to jump ship after a tough 6 months - to a better team. There are up to 45 players on a team list, if built properly then there should be no problems fielding a competitive side just clubs hate to lisst an average state league player over potential.

You may be the first person ever to suggest that the draft/s should last longer.

Recruiters have 12 months between main drafts, and much longer assessing talent at u14/u16 etc level prior to that. Why would they need another 24hrs for a 3rd draft day.

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[AsterixTheGaul]

meh no one actually cares about wafl and aflw spoons



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[Ishmael_]

Freo has, despite themselves, done well in timing their run here. They've been fortunate to have their top end talent midfielders come on quite young but now they have that young talent in place and enough senior talent to complement them.

I actually think we're in a slightly better position as we have a number of players in that 24-28 age group that should be around by the time our kids drafted now hit 22-23.

Whether Chesser, Culley and whoever we pick this year come on and come on quick is of course up in the air, but the opportunity is there to make a run in 2024/25.

 

[dinnaz]

You may be the first person ever to suggest that the draft/s should last longer.

Recruiters have 12 months between main drafts, and much longer assessing talent at u14/u16 etc level prior to that. Why would they need another 24hrs for a 3rd draft day.

With all the current drafts in total there's already like 5 days of it over the year. Why not make it 3 and done?
Say you take best available ND picks which is Tall, Mid, Flank, Mid.
You still have 2 spots left do you take a project ruck or a more solid choice? Plus after wheeling and dealing for 6 straight hours and need to confer amongst the recruiting department, head coach, manager etc I would hope talks aren't just a 5 minute conversation. This is all planning unable to be done until you have an idea of what you have actually drafted already.

 

[Obeanie1]

Someone tell me about Wardlaw. Have heard very good things, but have seen very little of him. Is he going to be as good as projected?

From very limited vision and reading a bit he sounds like a slightly taller J Selwood. Cracks in hard, gets his own ball, doesn't give up but can be rough around the edges with disposal. But that describes a good inside mid.

 

[dinnaz]

From very limited vision and reading a bit he sounds like a slightly taller J Selwood. Cracks in hard, gets his own ball, doesn't give up but can be rough around the edges with disposal. But that describes a good inside mid.

Tackles better but gets less footy. But importantly has good pace and athletic leap. Disposal wise id say plays within himself a touch which in 90% of cases is the best option.

 

[Godfather32]

Tackles better but gets less footy. But importantly has good pace and athletic leap. Disposal wise id say plays within himself a touch which in 90% of cases is the best option.

So would you take him or Busslinger if you had the choice

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

From very limited vision and reading a bit he sounds like a slightly taller J Selwood. Cracks in hard, gets his own ball, doesn't give up but can be rough around the edges with disposal. But that describes a good inside mid.

His listed height is shorter than Selwood, for what it’s worth.

 

[JackOutback]

Everyone wanting pick 1, BS I don't want the spoon - ever.

Damn straight. That first and only one still hurts.

 

[dinnaz]

So would you take him or Busslinger if you had the choice

For some terrible comparisons would you rather Joel Selwood or Darcy Moore? We need everything but midfielders more so thats what we take and Wardlaw does have upside, he's not just a vanilla inside mid.
I think Busslinger is a rarer commodity and would love him though.
The upcoming champs will sort the men from the boys

 

[paran]

Damn straight. That first and only one still hurts.

Should have pulled it out by now...

 

[bzparkes]

We really don't need yet another tall defender, especially if we end up with pick 1, when he's not even considered the number 1 pick, at this stage.

 

[random260]

War lord or bust sadly. This draft is paper thin. So we need pick one.

 

[WCE_Talk]

War lord or bust sadly. This draft is paper thin. So we need pick one.

This draft is not paper thin at all.


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[random260]

This draft is not paper thin at all.


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KPD/KPF sure it's not paper thin seems like it's on par with 2018. But mids it seems like it's paper thin?

 

[Monocle]

War lord or bust sadly. This draft is paper thin. So we need pick one.

I just cant agree with that, its lower in the number of kids with high end talent but it goes pretty deep.
Good number of mids and a handy number of tall's but thin on ruckmen.

 

[dinnaz]

I just cant agree with that, its lower in the number of kids with high end talent but it goes pretty deep.
Good number of mids and a handy number of tall's but thin on ruckmen.

In my eyes its a below average draft in terms of raw number. Some years you have 30-35 or so really good options but its tough to find that this year. Saying that & you hear it all the time next year looks to have a higher than usual amount of guys playing well.

Right now halfway through the season-> the top end like 2017 isn't an outstanding player who is obviously ahead of the pack but there's good options for a range of positions in the top 10-15

WA: below average
SA: above average
Allies: Average
Vic Metro: Average
Vic Country: Slightly Below Average

 

[ThePuma #9]

Damn straight. That first and only one still hurts.

Really?

Finishing last led us to a draft pool of Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett and Jeremy McGovern. You'd be hard pressed to find any other year in the last 20 for us that has brought that much talent in within one draft year. I couldn't care less if we finish dead last this year if it means we have access to Wardlaw and the first pick of the second round which has shown to be worth it's weight in gold.

To be able to access any potential sliders from the first round overnight and to hear all the potential offers for that pick for any clubs desperate for a particular slider is so valuable to a rebuilding club.

It's not finishing last that worries me, what worries me is a prolonged period of cellar dwelling, something we can help mitigate with the first crack at the best available talent in Rounds 1 & 2.

West Coast are in the premiership winning business, i can live with the rare wooden spoon if it means we compete more often for success than other clubs do.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Really?

Finishing last led us to a draft pool of Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett and Jeremy McGovern. You'd be hard pressed to find any other year in the last 20 for us that has brought that much talent in within one draft year. I couldn't care less if we finish dead last this year if it means we have access to Wardlaw and the first pick of the second round which has shown to be worth it's weight in gold to be able to access any potenital sliders from the first round overnight and to hear all the potential offers for that pick for any clubs desperate for a particular slider.

We got lucky with a couple of picks in the 20s and a rookie draft pick. That’s got nothing to do with winning a spoon.

 

[ThePuma #9]

We got lucky with a couple of picks in the 20s and a rookie draft pick. That’s got nothing to do with winning a spoon.

Actually we got a slider in Jack Darling with the priority pick that finishing last afforded us. Jack was touted to be a first round pick but slid due to the infamous tent incident and the "reputation" for trouble recruiters labeled him with. A pick we would never have had if we didn't finish last mind you, so it's a rather apt comparison to what the first pick of the second round could provide us this year.

First dibs at a first round slider.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

We got lucky with a couple of picks in the 20s and a rookie draft pick. That’s got nothing to do with winning a spoon.

Plus Gaff was Pick 4

 

[JackOutback]

Really?

Finishing last led us to a draft pool of Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett and Jeremy McGovern. You'd be hard pressed to find any other year in the last 20 for us that has brought that much talent in within one draft year. I couldn't care less if we finish dead last this year if it means we have access to Wardlaw and the first pick of the second round which has shown to be worth it's weight in gold.

To be able to access any potential sliders from the first round overnight and to hear all the potential offers for that pick for any clubs desperate for a particular slider is so valuable to a rebuilding club.

It's not finishing last that worries me, what worries me is a prolonged period of cellar dwelling, something we can help mitigate with the first crack at the best available talent in Rounds 1 & 2.

West Coast are in the premiership winning business, i can live with the rare wooden spoon if it means we compete more often for success than other clubs do.

Yes, really. You get an almost identical hand for finishing second last without the ignominy of finishing dead last. The irony, of course, being that we didn’t even get pick 1 after finishing last in 2010 and we still drafted well that year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Teams that have won a spoon then a flag within ten years, since 2000:
Richmond (2007 - 2017)
West Coast (2010 - 2018)

Yep, that’s a path we should be looking to head down.

 

[Chump Change]

Really?

Finishing last led us to a draft pool of Andrew Gaff, Jack Darling, Scott Lycett and Jeremy McGovern. You'd be hard pressed to find any other year in the last 20 for us that has brought that much talent in within one draft year. I couldn't care less if we finish dead last this year if it means we have access to Wardlaw and the first pick of the second round which has shown to be worth it's weight in gold.

To be able to access any potential sliders from the first round overnight and to hear all the potential offers for that pick for any clubs desperate for a particular slider is so valuable to a rebuilding club.

It's not finishing last that worries me, what worries me is a prolonged period of cellar dwelling, something we can help mitigate with the first crack at the best available talent in Rounds 1 & 2.

West Coast are in the premiership winning business, i can live with the rare wooden spoon if it means we compete more often for success than other clubs do.

Jack probably has this recurring nightmare where he's at a Midwest diner and some old waitress chewing gum walks up to take the order and pulls out her calculator and says, "right, you've won for 4 flags, but you have that wooden spoon, so the grand total is 3 flags. Pay at the counter on your way out".

I have a different recurring dream where we're a couple points down and Dom Sheed slots it to make it 4 flags.