List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[JackOutback]

Order of recruiting preference

1: Culley
2: Scully
3: Curry
4: Derksen Robitton
5: Buttlicker
6: Evan Tanner
7: Will Brodie

If we can land at least 7 of these players we can basically bank five years worth of credits.

I have all of them in my top 5.

 

[Chump Change]

What's the bigfooty hive mind's thoughts on taking a key defender with our 1st pick in the ND? #2 behind north because I don't want the spoon and they're still worse than us even with 18 of our best 22 injured.

That's equivalent to saying the world is flat.....

Let me show you what most people can calculate in their head in millseconds. Let me break it down nice and slow:

Top 2 draft picks since 2000:

2000 Nick Riewoldt Justin Koschitzke
2001 Luke Hodge Luke Ball
2002 Brendon Goddard Daniel Wells
2003 Adam Cooney Andrew Walker
2004 Brett Deledio Jarryd Roughead
2005 Marc Murphy Dale Thomas
2006 Bryce Gibbs Scott Gumbleton
2007 Matthew Kreuzer Trent Cotchin
2008 Jack Watts Nic Naitanui
2009 Tom Scully Jack Trengove
2010 David Swallow Harley Bennell
2011 Jonathon Patton Stephen Coniglio
2012 Lachie Whitfield Jonathan O'Rourke
2013 Tom Boyd Josh Kelly
2014 Paddy McCartin Christian Petracca
2015 Jacob Weitering Josh Schache
2016 Andrew McGrath Tim Taranto
2017 Cam Rayner Andrew Brayshaw
2018 Sam Walsh Jack Lukosius
2019 Matt Rowell Noah Anderson
2020 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan Riley Thilthorpe
2021 Jason Horne-Francis Sam Darcy
(44)

Midfield
Luke Hodge
Luke Ball
Brendon Goddard
Daniel Wells
Adam Cooney
Andrew Walker
Brett Deledio
Marc Murphy
Dale Thomas
Bryce Gibbs
Trent Cotchin
Tom Scully
Jack Trengove
David Swallow
Harley Bennell
Stephen Coniglio
Lachie Whitfield
Josh Kelly
Christian Petracca
Andrew McGrath
Tim Taranto
Cam Rayner
Andrew Brayshaw
Sam Walsh
Matt Rowell
Noah Anderson
Jason Horne-Francis
(27)


KPF
Nick Riewoldt
Justin Koschitzke
Jarryd Roughead
Scott Gumbleton
Jack Watts
Jonathon Patton
Jonathan O'Rourke
Tom Boyd
Paddy McCartin
Josh Schache
Jack Lukosius
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
Riley Thilthorpe
Sam Darcy
(14)

Ruckman
Matthew Kreuzer
Nic Naitanui
(2)

KPD
Jacob Weitering
(1)



A+ Graders - Midfield
Luke Hodge
Brendon Goddard
Trent Cotchin
Lachie Whitfield
Josh Kelly
Christian Petracca
Andrew Brayshaw
Sam Walsh
Matt Rowell
(9)

A graders - Midfield
Adam Cooney
Brett Deledio
Marc Murphy
Tim Taranto
Noah Anderson
(5)

Somewhere in between - Midfield
Daniel Wells
Dale Thomas
Bryce Gibbs
Tom Scully
David Swallow
Stephen Coniglio
Andrew McGrath
(7)

Bust - Midfield (some these might be good players but even if they play 200 games off half back, unless they were exception, let's call them a bust for a top 2 pick)
Luke Ball
Andrew Walker (he was a more than handy player though, just not a top 2 pick)
Jack Trengove
Harley Bennell
(4)

A+ Graders - KPP
Nick Riewoldt
Jarryd Roughead

A graders - KPP
Jack Lukosius

Somewhere in between - KPP

Bust - KPP
Justin Koschitzke
Scott Gumbleton
Jack Watts
Jonathon Patton
Jonathan O'Rourke
Tom Boyd
Paddy McCartin
Josh Schache


A+ Graders - KPD

A graders - KPD
Jacob Weitering

Somewhere in between - KPD

Bust - KPD


A+ Graders - ruckmen

Nic Naitanui

A graders - ruckmen

Somewhere in between - ruckmen
Matthew Kreuzer

Bust - ruckmen



Too early to place
Cam Rayner
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
Riley Thilthorpe
Jason Horne-Francis
Sam Darcy
(5)



Right, let's analise the data;

Out of the last 44 top 2 picks, 1 has been a KPD. These people who are recruiting heads of the 18 clubs are elite at what they do. What they say is, "Don't ever spend a top 2 pick on a KPD unless they are exceptional". Weitering won the u18s medal for best player. He was the best player.

Out of 25 midfielders (excluding the ones who are too new to be classified), 9 have ended up as A+ midfielders. A more than 33% chance of finding a player who is capable of helping your team be a top 4 midfield (because you simply can't do it without at least one A+ midfielders).

There's over a 50% chance of getting an A grade midfielder or better.

There's a 1 in 4 chance of getting a handy midfielder, and only a 1 in 6 chance of getting a dud.

Out of the 11 eligible KPFs, there's a 20% chance of getting an A+, a slightly less than 30% chance of getting an A grade or better, and a staggering 80% chance of getting a dud.


The idea that we should pick a KPD is absurd. It would also be foolish to pick a KPP. The numbers say midfielder.

If you win the toss and it's overcast and the pitch is green, consider bowling first. Then choose to bat".

** edit: potentially Scully is a dud. Many would have Ball as serviceable.

 

[Spooky17]

That's equivalent to saying the world is flat.....

Let me show you what most people can calculate in their head in millseconds. Let me break it down nice and slow:

Top 2 draft picks since 2000:

2000 Nick Riewoldt Justin Koschitzke
2001 Luke Hodge Luke Ball
2002 Brendon Goddard Daniel Wells
2003 Adam Cooney Andrew Walker
2004 Brett Deledio Jarryd Roughead
2005 Marc Murphy Dale Thomas
2006 Bryce Gibbs Scott Gumbleton
2007 Matthew Kreuzer Trent Cotchin
2008 Jack Watts Nic Naitanui
2009 Tom Scully Jack Trengove
2010 David Swallow Harley Bennell
2011 Jonathon Patton Stephen Coniglio
2012 Lachie Whitfield Jonathan O'Rourke
2013 Tom Boyd Josh Kelly
2014 Paddy McCartin Christian Petracca
2015 Jacob Weitering Josh Schache
2016 Andrew McGrath Tim Taranto
2017 Cam Rayner Andrew Brayshaw
2018 Sam Walsh Jack Lukosius
2019 Matt Rowell Noah Anderson
2020 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan Riley Thilthorpe
2021 Jason Horne-Francis Sam Darcy
(44)

Midfield
Luke Hodge
Luke Ball
Brendon Goddard
Daniel Wells
Adam Cooney
Andrew Walker
Brett Deledio
Marc Murphy
Dale Thomas
Bryce Gibbs
Trent Cotchin
Tom Scully
Jack Trengove
David Swallow
Harley Bennell
Stephen Coniglio
Lachie Whitfield
Josh Kelly
Christian Petracca
Andrew McGrath
Tim Taranto
Cam Rayner
Andrew Brayshaw
Sam Walsh
Matt Rowell
Noah Anderson
Jason Horne-Francis
(27)


KPF
Nick Riewoldt
Justin Koschitzke
Jarryd Roughead
Scott Gumbleton
Jack Watts
Jonathon Patton
Jonathan O'Rourke
Tom Boyd
Paddy McCartin
Josh Schache
Jack Lukosius
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
Riley Thilthorpe
Sam Darcy
(14)

Ruckman
Matthew Kreuzer
Nic Naitanui
(2)

KPD
Jacob Weitering
(1)



A+ Graders - Midfield
Luke Hodge
Brendon Goddard
Trent Cotchin
Lachie Whitfield
Josh Kelly
Christian Petracca
Andrew Brayshaw
Sam Walsh
Matt Rowell
(9)

A graders - Midfield
Adam Cooney
Brett Deledio
Marc Murphy
Tim Taranto
Noah Anderson
(5)

Somewhere in between - Midfield
Daniel Wells
Dale Thomas
Bryce Gibbs
Tom Scully
David Swallow
Stephen Coniglio
Andrew McGrath
(7)

Bust - Midfield (some these might be good players but even if they play 200 games off half back, unless they were exception, let's call them a bust for a top 2 pick)
Luke Ball
Andrew Walker (he was a more than handy player though, just not a top 2 pick)
Jack Trengove
Harley Bennell
(4)

A+ Graders - KPP
Nick Riewoldt
Jarryd Roughead

A graders - KPP
Jack Lukosius

Somewhere in between - KPP

Bust - KPP
Justin Koschitzke
Scott Gumbleton
Jack Watts
Jonathon Patton
Jonathan O'Rourke
Tom Boyd
Paddy McCartin
Josh Schache


A+ Graders - KPD

A graders - KPD
Jacob Weitering

Somewhere in between - KPD

Bust - KPD


A+ Graders - ruckmen

Nic Naitanui

A graders - ruckmen

Somewhere in between - ruckmen
Matthew Kreuzer

Bust - ruckmen



Too early to place
Cam Rayner
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan
Riley Thilthorpe
Jason Horne-Francis
Sam Darcy
(5)



Right, let's analise the data;

Out of the last 44 top 2 picks, 1 has been a KPD. These people who are recruiting heads of the 18 clubs are elite at what they do. What they is, "Don't ever spend a top 2 pick on a KPD unless they are exceptional". Weitering won the u18s medal for best player. He was the best player.

Out of 25 midfielders (excluding the ones who are to new to be classified), 9 have ended up as A+ midfielders. A more than 33% chance of finding a player who is capable of helping your team be a top 4 midfield (because you simply can't do it without at least one A+ midfielders.

There's over a 50% chance of getting an A grade midfielder or better.

There's a 1 in 4 chance of getting a handy midfielder, and only a 1 in 6 chance of getting a dud.

Out of the 11 eligible KPFs, there's a 20% chance of getting an A+, a slightly less than 30% chance of getting an A grade or better, and a staggering 80% chance of getting a dud.


The idea that we should pick a KPD is absurd. It would also be foolish to pick a KPP. The numbers say midfielder.

If you win the toss and it's overcast and the pitch is green, consider bowling first. Then choose to bat".

 

[hbk2015]

I know alot of people want Culley, but we could do a lot worse than picking Casey Voss or Josh Carmichicael.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Allen and Edwards officially added to the inactive list, so we’ll have two picks.

 

[EagleMan87]

Allen, Edwards to join inactive list

The West Coast Eagles will place a pair of promising youngsters on the inactive list

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

Allen and Edwards have been added to the inactive list.

 

[Biggie]

 

[Ochre]

You know, I'm beginning to think the club wasn't telling the truth when they said February that Oscar's foot issue would only keep him out of training for a week

 

[dinnaz]

Florenca at #1

 

[RookiePick]

Allen gorn for the season. It's almost like the fans can see through the club's bullshit straight off the bat these days.

Disappointing that Leddy has such a serious injury. The kid hasn't got any spare pace to lose.

 

[jaxxon]

Those two poor young bastards. They never stood a chance.

 

[Bender_]

Allen out would mean we're likely to pick a tall with at least one of the picks.

 

[hbk2015]

Surely we just take the 2 best mids available

 

[Spod]

Was easy to see this coming, but it's a real bummer to have probably our three most promising young players from the last few years all on the LTI list in a rebuild. Hopefully we put that probable MSD pick 1 to good use.

 

[bh90210fan]

Florenca at #1

I’m convinced you are the pieman himself

 

[Truckosaurus]

Whoever we take in the MSD we should run an injury pool on. Site of injury and round injured.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

You know, I'm beginning to think the club wasn't telling the truth when they said February that Oscar's foot issue would only keep him out of training for a week

Also when they said Edwards would play WAFL minutes on the weekend just gone.

 

[dinnaz]

Top 2 draft picks since 2000:

2000 Nick Riewoldt Justin Koschitzke
2001 Luke Hodge Luke Ball
2002 Brendon Goddard Daniel Wells
2003 Adam Cooney Andrew Walker
2004 Brett Deledio Jarryd Roughead
2005 Marc Murphy Dale Thomas
2006 Bryce Gibbs Scott Gumbleton
2007 Matthew Kreuzer Trent Cotchin
2008 Jack Watts Nic Naitanui
2009 Tom Scully Jack Trengove
2010 David Swallow Harley Bennell
2011 Jonathon Patton Stephen Coniglio
2012 Lachie Whitfield Jonathan O'Rourke
2013 Tom Boyd Josh Kelly
2014 Paddy McCartin Christian Petracca
2015 Jacob Weitering Josh Schache
2016 Andrew McGrath Tim Taranto
2017 Cam Rayner Andrew Brayshaw
2018 Sam Walsh Jack Lukosius
2019 Matt Rowell Noah Anderson
2020 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan Riley Thilthorpe
2021 Jason Horne-Francis Sam Darcy

Hodge
Roughead
Thomas
Cotchin
Boyd
Petracca
Played in a winning premiership team at some point. Thats a 15% success rate

Say this upcoming draft is 2015 do we take Weitering as the best player?

 

[RookiePick]

Also when they said Edwards would play WAFL minutes on the weekend just gone.

Get your tweeter on Miggy. This should not stand.

 

[Bender_]

Surely we just take the 2 best mids available

That's too obvious though.

 

[JackieMoon33]

Allen out would mean we're likely to pick a tall with at least one of the picks.

Doubt that. This is a strategic move for the future, not to go like for like.

 

[Shmiddy15]

Excellent, everything is falling into place to pass on Culley with pick 1.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Whoever we take in the MSD we should run an injury pool on. Site of injury and round injured.

It’s a good point, surprised Joyce wasn’t one of the players inactivated.

 

[dinnaz]

I’m convinced you are the pieman himself

I think anyone we pick up is probably hard up against it to last past this year . Saying that Florenca has this year exploded from being a tidy WAFL player to one of the best (admittedly only a handful of games played). A bit like when Tim Kelly got his ducks in a row 2017.

 

[Bender_]

Doubt that. This is a strategic move for the future, not to go like for like.

Oh I'm not advocating for it, but our recruiters love choosing talls and now they have an excuse.