List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Chump Change]

Starting to warm the idea of drafting Tstas, good build, has good kick and pace.

Only knock is his defensive efforts, but he seems to have a good tank to work on that.

Curious to see how he plays in that Vic metro vs Vic country game next month.

But he was putting up 43 and 3 goal games at TAC level, he got a lot of footy in the inside too.

I'm sceptical. Not saying he won't be a good player, but if he is what I think he is, guys like him need to play with elite ball winners to get the best out of them. I think he'll slide to somewhere between 5 - 10. He'll fit right into Port, Suns, Bulldogs. If we take him, we will still have to find a Yeo and Shuey. Tsatas looks more like Sheed but 6 times as quick.

 

[Chump Change]

Think Jack Macrae, not the guy to carry the contested burden but still will be involved offensively.

I think Ashcroft is closer to McCrae - a balanced possession monkey. A little bit vanilla, but gets the ball all the time and uses it well (as opposed to a pure possession monkey like Tom Mitchell). I think Tsatas has a bit more X factor in breaking lines etc, but I think there is a risk that if the heavy machinery aren't elite or don't play well, he may go missing.

 

[Chump Change]

Getting Robertson and Culley addresses inside mids, Tstas as a balanced mid. Chesser also balanced.

This is chicken counting. We should all know from experience it never works out how we think it's going to work out. We need to keep drafting a pool of mids and let them sort out who is elite and takes the midfield spots and who gets relegated to the flanks, or maybe even a specialist wingman.

Culley looks to me an out and out insider, so either he's good enough or isn't. He doesn't appear to be a guy you shove on a flank. Whereas Chesser, if he's not in the top 6 or 7, plays a Jordan Clarke role of half back.

The problem with getting Tsatas - we need to have some A+ grade mids, otherwise he is probably wasted. I like Culley and want Robertson but I'm far from, "right, we've got our ball winners, all is good". Quality matters, in fact it is key.

 

[Chump Change]

Tsatas has two weaknesses, yes people have mentioned his defensive game. It's not horrendous btw. However his kicking whilst at speed and under pressure is very suspect. Im telling everyone here he is the closest i've seen in a player to Polec as a junior. It's uncanny.

I've also heard the knock on his disposal at pace. Reminds me of Johanneson. I watched him in that game against Pies VFL. He ended up with a heap of disposals and a goal, but had nowhere near the influence of Warlord.

He's way too risky for where our list is and what pick we have. Warlord is least risky, Sheezel looks like a gun but has some risk in go home factor and can he play mid at the highest level, whereas Phillipou is risky but with massive upside.

As it stands, I'm only seeing 3 options - Warlord, Sheezel, Phillipou. And I think North will take Sheezel.

 

[Obeanie1]

I thought someone already mentioned the rumour is Essendon.

Yes me.

 

[The wily weagle]

With the greatest of respect, why are we putting so much stock into Chesser?

Kid had played a grand total of 3 games in the last 3 years, has spent an entire year out of the game after being perennially injured, last played against kids as opposed to the grown men he will be playing against and has the misfortune of having been drafted into a club with arguably the most inept medical team in the AFL when he hasn't been able to get his body right

Lets see if we can get the kid on the park first. Which isn't a given.

 

[Godfather32]

With the greatest of respect, why are we putting so much stock into Chesser?

Kid had played a grand total of 3 games in the last 3 years, has spent an entire year out of the game after being perennially injured, last played against kids as opposed to the grown men he will be playing against and has the misfortune of having been drafted into a club with arguably the most inept medical team in the AFL when he hasn't been able to get his body right

Lets see if we can get the kid on the park first. Which isn't a given.

Yeah people are talking like Chesser is locked in to be a star. He could be, but he could also be injured for the next 4 years and barely see park....or he could just be shit.

 

[dkalphy]

so we got PA second rounder but their gona get it right way back when they lose Amon lol

 

[DanWCE]

Surfing background the new basketball

 

[SumaGodCoach]

There are some clear similarities between Aaron Naughton

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Aaron Naughton

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25

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196cm

Wt

92kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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10.7

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

0.8

1star

G

0.5

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.0

1star

and Jedd Busslinger during their draft years. Here is Aaron Naughtons draft profile - Aaron Naughton
The clear similarities are their ability to read the play, take intercept marks and their agility. Busslinger however is 3cm taller then Naughton(197cm vs 194cm) and a much better kick. The longer I've thought about it, the more bullish I am on Jedds chances to become a key forward at the next level. If this is a legitimate possibility and not just wishful thinking on my behalf I can definitely see us picking him at 2, even though Wardlaw, Sheezel and Phillipou may seem like the more logical choice. We can sometimes tend to pigeon hole someone as a forward or backman in what could be seen as tunnel vision and should be more open minded about where a player might end up playing at the next level. As I am something of a draft nuffie dilettante, it would be interesting to hear what some of the more experienced draft watchers think about Busslingers potential to become a forward? WCE_phil Eastcoasteagle Monocle

The recent talk of Cadman got me redoing my rankings. I have Busslinger at 4 and Cadman at 10. I really can't see us going Cadman unless we trade back and Busslinger is taken before our pick. Busslinger is a way better kick then Cadman and kicking skills are something we value highly.

 

[dkalphy]

With the greatest of respect, why are we putting so much stock into Chesser?

Kid had played a grand total of 3 games in the last 3 years, has spent an entire year out of the game after being perennially injured, last played against kids as opposed to the grown men he will be playing against and has the misfortune of having been drafted into a club with arguably the most inept medical team in the AFL when he hasn't been able to get his body right

Lets see if we can get the kid on the park first. Which isn't a given.

No trust me, Chesser is going to be a gun. He was in line to play round 1, has all the attributes. Good size, endurance, pace, kicking...

 

[Shmiddy15]

I've watched a couple games of Wardlaw and he seems to be far and away the superior option to the other guys commonly mentioned, that were also playing in those games (Sheezle, Tsatas, even ashcroft to an extent). Hewett was in the academy game as well, and just doesn't compare to Wardlaw.

He has speed, is a brilliant tackler and makes good decisions in heavy traffic and in space. Praying that North do something crazy and overlook him so that he's there at live pick 2. We'd be insane to select anyone else (other than maybe Phillipou who I haven't seen).

 

[dkalphy]

There are some clear similarities between Aaron Naughton and Jedd Busslinger during their draft years. Here is Aaron Naughtons draft profile - Aaron Naughton
The clear similarities are their ability to read the play, take intercept marks and their agility. Busslinger however is 3cm taller then Naughton(197cm vs 194cm) and a much better kick. The longer I've thought about it, the more bullish I am on Jedds chances to become a key forward at the next level. If this is a legitimate possibility and not just wishful thinking on my behalf I can definitely see us picking him at 2, even though Wardlaw, Sheezel and Phillipou may seem like the more logical choice. We can sometimes tend to pigeon hole someone as a forward or backman in what could be seen as tunnel vision and should be more open minded about where a player might end up playing at the next level. As I am something of a draft nuffie dilettante, it would be interesting to hear what some of the more experienced draft watchers think about Busslingers potential to become a forward? WCE_phil Eastcoasteagle Monocle

The recent talk of Cadman got me redoing my rankings. I have Busslinger at 4 and Cadman at 10. I really can't see us going Cadman unless we trade back and Busslinger is taken before our pick. Busslinger is a way better kick then Cadman and kicking skills are something we value highly.

I'm worried about Busslingers build, i dont think he'll fill out like Naughton

 

[dkalphy]

I do like the idea of going into a following year with an additional second round pick, like we're doing this year. Happy to do that again this year

 

[Cuzz09]

I do like the idea of going into a following year with an additional second round pick, like we're doing this year. Happy to do that again this year

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[ArdentEagle]

I've watched a couple games of Wardlaw and he seems to be far and away the superior option to the other guys commonly mentioned, that were also playing in those games (Sheezle, Tsatas, even ashcroft to an extent). Hewett was in the academy game as well, and just doesn't compare to Wardlaw.

He has speed, is a brilliant tackler and makes good decisions in heavy traffic and in space. Praying that North do something crazy and overlook him so that he's there at live pick 2. We'd be insane to select anyone else (other than maybe Phillipou who I haven't seen).

Bang on! He's no longer flavour of the month but I'm with you. Seems a few of the experts on the DB still really rate him too.

Ohhhhhh Warlord.

 

[Bacchus]

With all this talk about replacing JK, needing to replace JK, don’t people think OAllen is any good or that he’s going to come back from his injury? Or is he just a spare parts player?
The JK replacement is already at the club - 23 yo, 59 games, 196 cm, shown he can play the position.
It could be argued that JK going on as long as he did held back Allen’s development.
If we recruit another kpf he’s going to get frustrated playing in the seconds or attempted to be mounded into a wingman or flanker and we all know where that ends.

 

[ziad]

With all this talk about replacing JK, needing to replace JK, don’t people think OAllen is any good or that he’s going to come back from his injury? Or is he just a spare parts player?
The JK replacement is already at the club - 23 yo, 59 games, 196 cm, shown he can play the position.
It could be argued that JK going on as long as he did held back Allen’s development.
If we recruit another kpf he’s going to get frustrated playing in the seconds or attempted to be mounded into a wingman or flanker and we all know where that ends.

I think its more that Allen has huge potential but isnt proven. If he presumably is good by the time he is settled JD will be on the way out - we need a developer.

 

[Godfather32]

I think its more that Allen has huge potential but isnt proven. If he presumably is good by the time he is settled JD will be on the way out - we need a developer.

You mean like Jack Williams?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Worried about what long term Beagle exposure could do to J Williams.

 

[Godfather32]

Worried about what long term Beagle exposure could do to J Williams.

Probably turn him into a defensive wing

 

[Kegs15]

Worried about what long term Beagle exposure could do to J Williams.

Yeah hard to think he wouldn't be better serviced next year playing for West Perth or Claremont. He'd be playing more second or third fiddle there but tbh that's how he'd debut in the AFL side anyway so probably better for learning a role in a functional side

 

[Kegs15]

I've watched a couple games of Wardlaw and he seems to be far and away the superior option to the other guys commonly mentioned, that were also playing in those games (Sheezle, Tsatas, even ashcroft to an extent). Hewett was in the academy game as well, and just doesn't compare to Wardlaw.

He has speed, is a brilliant tackler and makes good decisions in heavy traffic and in space. Praying that North do something crazy and overlook him so that he's there at live pick 2. We'd be insane to select anyone else (other than maybe Phillipou who I haven't seen).

Yeah from what I've seen of Wardlaw he's my pick - know Phillipou could be anything but just think it'll be hard to pass up a quick, tough, contested weapon who's all but guaranteed to be quality and exactly what we need

 

[Bacchus]

I think its more that Allen has huge potential but isnt proven. If he presumably is good by the time he is settled JD will be on the way out - we need a developer.

I don’t think anyone would argue that Allen is not an AFL player. It’s more than potential with him, he’s done his apprenticeship, he’s in the sweet spot and ready to produce next year if he’s fit. He has already shown he can play and influence/dominate games.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I don’t think anyone would argue that Allen is not an AFL player. It’s more than potential with him, he’s in the sweet spot and ready to produce next year if he’s fit. He has already shown he can play and influence/dominate games.

Enormous potential he has but most of his best games have been as the third forward. I think we are all waiting to see how he goes when he becomes the number 1 forward. Totally different world for him. Time will take care of it.