List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

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2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[Carbine Chaos]

With Allen as JK’s replacement it’s more about how he’ll go after a long injury lay-off. We’ll really need him to hit the ground running.

 

[Godfather32]

With Allen as JK’s replacement it’s more about how he’ll go after a long injury lay-off. We’ll really need him to hit the ground running.

Doesn't matter much next season imo, just get him through the season playing as many games in the forward line as possible

 

[Cuzz09]

Oscar is our next big goal kicker for sure.



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[greatwhiteshark]

Doesn't matter much next season imo, just get him through the season playing as many games in the forward line as possible

Why would next season not matter? Hugely important season for pretty much every single person in the football department on field and off field.
Pretty much playing and working for their careers next year.

 

[southcoast]

You mean like Jack Williams?

Not convinced on Jack Williams - limited vision I saw he looked slow.


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[Get_The_Gaff]

Worried about what long term Beagle exposure could do to J Williams.

Hope next week they bring in Jack Williams for the last few games Waterman and bailey Williams are just not key forwards .

 

[ziad]

Hope next week they bring in Jack Williams for the last few games Waterman and bailey Williams are just not key forwards .

He hasnt shown anything to deserve it but why not at this stage. We need to find out more about him.

 

[Ridge Renegade]

Always a gentleman Mr Castrilli. One of only few (former) politicians I've met that I actually like

Also for 2025 draft watchers keep an eye on Malakai Champion. He is only 171cm atm but hopefully still has some growing to do. Has some amazing skills and tricks as a small forward with the ability to get further up the ground as well.

One of the best users and kicks for goal i've seen in a long time and both his lead up work, pack reading and ground ball game are exceptional. Haven't heard of any major family issues either (it is incredibly common for a south bunbury boy as drugs are rampant down here) of any race for those thinking i'm making a racist comment here. One thing players don't lose from 16-18 particularly as smalls is that ability to read play and skills.

A close friend of mine who played for souths in 4 premierships and is a life member as well as their chairman and I were discussing him the other day over lunch as well as what i've seen of him so keep an eye out. Both agreed with me that he is a better small forward at his age than Jeff Farmer was and his kicking is on a par with Lewis Jetta but not with the 60m kicking depth.

(my leg and crutches got me out of paying for lunch so John picked up the tab)

 

[WCErevival]

Wouldn't hurt to have another KPF in the team. Darling wont be around forever. Waterman isnt at the level. All that leaves is big boy Jack Williams but he could be another Fraser.

 

[Bacchus]

Wouldn't hurt to have another KPF in the team. Darling wont be around forever. Waterman isnt at the level. All that leaves is big boy Jack Williams but he could be another Fraser.

Yes, but what is the position of greatest need, midfielder or key forward? We currently have two more than competent key forwards (Darling and Allen) for two positions.
In the midfield Shuey is one injury away from retirement and is slowing down, next year would be Reddens last, Gaff looks cooked, and there are big questions surrounding Yeo. This leaves gaping holes in the midfield which is the most important area of the game.
No brainer for me.

 

[WCErevival]

Yes, but what is the position of greatest need, midfielder or key forward? We currently have two more than competent key forwards (Darling and Allen) for two positions.
In the midfield Shuey is one injury away from retirement and is slowing down, next year would be Reddens last, Gaff looks cooked, and there are big questions surrounding Yeo. This leaves gaping holes in the midfield which is the most important area of the game.
No brainer for me.

We have 3 picks inside the top 30. We can get a mid with pick 2 and get a KPF with one of our other picks. We also desperately need a decent small defender.

 

[Ridge Renegade]

I refuse to class Chesser as a balanced mid until he shows that's his best fit at AFL and not as an attacking HBF like he was most of his time as a junior.

Tsatas has two weaknesses, yes people have mentioned his defensive game. It's not horrendous btw. However his kicking whilst at speed and under pressure is very suspect. Im telling everyone here he is the closest i've seen in a player to Polec as a junior. It's uncanny. Also if we want a classy outside mid he's already on our list and most people want him delisted. His name is Winder. Play him in the midfield and he produces. What a ******* surprise west coast. It only took you almost 2 years to work it out.

Agree. Winder should be retained, even if it is as a rookie

 

[Godfather32]

With Allen as JK’s replacement it’s more about how he’ll go after a long injury lay-off. We’ll really need him to hit the ground running.

Doesn't matter much next season imo, just get him through the season playing as many games in the forward line as possible

Why would next season not matter? Hugely important season for pretty much every single person in the football department on field and off field.
Pretty much playing and working for their careers next year.

Try reading the posts in context...we're talking specifically about Allen, not every single person in the football department on and off the field. It doesn't matter next year if Allen doesn't hit the ground running (which lets face it, after a year off the game he's unlikely to), because we're probably not going to be very good next year anyway. IMO it's far more important for Allen to be healthy all year and get consistent game time in the forward line (and just the forward line) than it is for him to dominate next season.

 

[ChasingFlags25]

After watching a fair bit of video of the top mid prospects for this years draft, I’m leaning towards Warlord and Hewett. Hewett is the exact type of Mid we need, hope he rates higher with good performance to finish the year. Or, we trade back a little to get him.

 

[WCE_phil]

1. Cadman can't kick straight. Horrendous. He's also playing against probably the weakest defensive talls in the champs in the last 5+ years.
2. Phillipou has already had a back injury and whilst he's not the media's favourite he is in the top tier.
3. Wardlaw has already had 2 Hamstring injuries to the same hamstring and is undersized for his position (however he to me has showed the highest inherent footy IQ of anyone on the board)
4. Tsatas is Polec with injuries before even entering the AFL system.
5. Sheezel looks amazing but again, really weak group of small defenders he's playing against. Best case is Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

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31

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182cm

Wt

85kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

, worst case is Bailey Fritsch with a bit more up the ground ability or just an average HFF.

I'd be looking to trade down. So much is going to come down to SANFL finals and the final champs game.

 

[Godfather32]

Not convinced on Jack Williams - limited vision I saw he looked slow.


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Meh, I reckon he'll be good, gonna take a few years though.
I just really don't want us to take a tall at pick 2

 

[Shmiddy15]

1. Cadman can't kick straight. Horrendous. He's also playing against probably the weakest defensive talls in the champs in the last 5+ years.
2. Phillipou has already had a back injury and whilst he's not the media's favourite he is in the top tier.
3. Wardlaw has already had 2 Hamstring injuries to the same hamstring and is undersized for his position (however he to me has showed the highest inherent footy IQ of anyone on the board)
4. Tsatas is Polec with injuries before even entering the AFL system.
5. Sheezel looks amazing but again, really weak group of small defenders he's playing against. Best case is Toby Greene, worst case is Bailey Fritsch with a bit more up the ground ability or just an average HFF.

I'd be looking to trade down. So much is going to come down to SANFL finals and the final champs game.

The hammies are a bit of a concern, but I'm not too worried about Wardlaw's height. At 182cm he's only 1cm shorter than Shuey, and at 18 already taller/same height as Ablett Jnr, Kerr, Cousins, Neale etc.

He doesn't have to be the main extractor (hopefully Culley can be), and as mentioned he seems to have the smarts and is blessed with the natural attributes to be effective as a competitive inside mid that can do some damage on the outside too.

I'd be happy to trade down on the night, but only if Wardlaw isn't there at live pick 2. Maybe his hammies will become the new Judd shoulders

 

[Farang83150]

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[WCE_phil]

The hammies are a bit of a concern, but I'm not too worried about Wardlaw's height. At 182cm he's only 1cm shorter than Shuey, and at 18 already taller/same height as Ablett Jnr, Kerr, Cousins, Neale etc.

He doesn't have to be the main extractor (hopefully Culley can be), and as mentioned he seems to have the smarts and is blessed with the natural attributes to be effective as a competitive inside mid that can do some damage on the outside too.

I'd be happy to trade down on the night, but only if Wardlaw isn't there at live pick 2. Maybe his hammies will become the new Judd shoulders

I'm still happy to take Wardlaw at 2. Phillipou's back injury has me worried. You really don't like back injuries in juniors unless they are on guys who've grown 6 inches in the last 12 months etc. If he's not fit enough to play midfield he shouldn't be playing. It'll only hurt his long term career and health.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

There are some clear similarities between Aaron Naughton and Jedd Busslinger during their draft years. Here is Aaron Naughtons draft profile - Aaron Naughton
The clear similarities are their ability to read the play, take intercept marks and their agility. Busslinger however is 3cm taller then Naughton(197cm vs 194cm) and a much better kick. The longer I've thought about it, the more bullish I am on Jedds chances to become a key forward at the next level. If this is a legitimate possibility and not just wishful thinking on my behalf I can definitely see us picking him at 2, even though Wardlaw, Sheezel and Phillipou may seem like the more logical choice. We can sometimes tend to pigeon hole someone as a forward or backman in what could be seen as tunnel vision and should be more open minded about where a player might end up playing at the next level. As I am something of a draft nuffie dilettante, it would be interesting to hear what some of the more experienced draft watchers think about Busslingers potential to become a forward? WCE_phil Eastcoasteagle Monocle

The recent talk of Cadman got me redoing my rankings. I have Busslinger at 4 and Cadman at 10. I really can't see us going Cadman unless we trade back and Busslinger is taken before our pick. Busslinger is a way better kick then Cadman and kicking skills are something we value highly.

Haven't seen Busslinger play forward, so hard to tell. But he's very agile and has a very good footy IQ (just from how he reads the play and space to run into), so I definitely think he could.
Tad risky selecting at pick 2 for a position you think they might he able to play without exposed form. I also think he's so good at rebounding, he's literally like a quarterback that he could be wasted down forward.

Denver GB was trialed forward in his draft year to see if he could, he was ok. Shame we can't get a look at Busslinger playing the role.

 

[Farang83150]

Try reading the posts in context...we're talking specifically about Allen, not every single person in the football department on and off the field. It doesn't matter next year if Allen doesn't hit the ground running (which lets face it, after a year off the game he's unlikely to), because we're probably not going to be very good next year anyway. IMO it's far more important for Allen to be healthy all year and get consistent game time in the forward line (and just the forward line) than it is for him to dominate next year.

Work on his craft as they say

 

[eaglespremiers]

I refuse to class Chesser as a balanced mid until he shows that's his best fit at AFL and not as an attacking HBF like he was most of his time as a junior.

Tsatas has two weaknesses, yes people have mentioned his defensive game. It's not horrendous btw. However his kicking whilst at speed and under pressure is very suspect. Im telling everyone here he is the closest i've seen in a player to Polec as a junior. It's uncanny. Also if we want a classy outside mid he's already on our list and most people want him delisted. His name is Winder. Play him in the midfield and he produces. What a ******* surprise west coast. It only took you almost 2 years to work it out.

Yeah, get the Polec vibes.
Having said that, Polec has had games and glimpses of being a top echelon midfielder, so a better and more consistent Polec is not a bad option.
Probably not what you build your midfield around though.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Haven't seen Busslinger play forward, so hard to tell. But he's very agile and has a very good footy IQ (just from how he reads the play and space to run into), so I definitely think he could.
Tad risky selecting at pick 2 for a position you think they might he able to play without exposed form. I also think he's so good at rebounding, he's literally like a quarterback that he could be wasted down forward.

Denver GB was trialed forward in his draft year to see if he could, he was ok. Shame we can't get a look at Busslinger playing the role.

I think if we don't want Wardlaw or Sheezel (or our choice of these two is gone) and we've got our eye on another player (such as Busslinger, Cadman, Hewett even potentially Phillipou) we could trade back 5-6 places and still have a number of those players available to us and get a second pick in the 10-12 range which would potentially be a Mackenzie, Szybkowski, Clark or maybe even Hewett).

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

While she didn't win, Coco Gauff made this year's French Open women's final.

And that is noteworthy, why? Well the year Essendon last won a final was the year she was born.

Coco Gauff sounds like Andrew Gaff's drag queen name.

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[ChasingFlags25]

1. Cadman can't kick straight. Horrendous. He's also playing against probably the weakest defensive talls in the champs in the last 5+ years.
2. Phillipou has already had a back injury and whilst he's not the media's favourite he is in the top tier.
3. Wardlaw has already had 2 Hamstring injuries to the same hamstring and is undersized for his position (however he to me has showed the highest inherent footy IQ of anyone on the board)
4. Tsatas is Polec with injuries before even entering the AFL system.
5. Sheezel looks amazing but again, really weak group of small defenders he's playing against. Best case is Toby Greene, worst case is Bailey Fritsch with a bit more up the ground ability or just an average HFF.

I'd be looking to trade down. So much is going to come down to SANFL finals and the final champs game.

Is Hewett your pick?