List Mgmt. Contracts, trades, draft - 2022 superstar edition

[Keys]

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The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R) Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Current contract status (Updated 18/10/24) : Total 39 Players -...

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[JackOutback]

I hope a significant number of the players we cut this year stay on at the Beagles and we leave the door open for a mid-season draftee. I know there have been some good reasons for it (like not having certainty the side will even exist) but the lack of ex-West Coast players in our WAFL reflects poorly on the broader culture of the club. Having 3 or 4 recent AFL listed players in the side will also make them a lot more likely to be competitive.

But will the WAFL allow that? Not being wholly competitive is a feature, not a bug, in the design.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Rookies we have to make a decision about on the 8:-
Strnadica - gone already
Joyce - never got past rehab, his favourite position so gone
Naish - should go, was out of favour and we have depth in our outside mids
West - a trier and has improved but needs to go
Dixon - needs to go, after early good signs, his recent senior performances were low WAFL standard
Trew - one good game and then not much including WAFL so gone
Jones - stays BUT I think he now needs to go to the senior list
OUTCOME: 6 to go
That would leave us with just Culley as a rookie with the possibility of delisting Langdon and Foley (who are both contracted) if we wanted to free up spaces. If we don't pick them up, the cap gets a little bit tighter but not much

Main list (excluding Sheppard) is 37 and need to make decisions on about 5:
Nelson - an UFA after 8 seasons and is likely to go back home and not likely to deliver any compensation pick
Witherden - after 2 years he has fallen out of favour and with the extension of Hurn, he is likely gone
BWilliams - after 4 years, his late form in the season has probably given him an extension (plus we are short of ruck stocks)
Winder - will be lucky to survive and at best will be offered a train on spot post the draft
Rioli - stay or go, he supposedly wants more dollars but he has not earned it. He missed 2 years of football and it showed. Not fussed trade or stay based on this season but I believe he could be better.
Langdon is contracted and whilst many on the board want him gone, Simmo likes picking him. If up to me, he's gone and just pay him out. It is not likely though.

NicNat - is showing up on Footywire as out of contract but I think that is just West Coast not being open

JK - officially retired
NicNat and BWilliams to go on
Nelson, Witherden and Winder to go
Rioli - unsure

Jones to be added to senior list

No need to keep a spot for the mid season draft - I have absolute confidence our S&C team will open up a spot for us


Summary - 10 off, 1 moves to senior list allowing 4 picks at the ND and 3 more rookies

 

[Chad in Vegas]

But will the WAFL allow that? Not being wholly competitive is a feature, not a bug, in the design.

Ex-AFL listed players are one of the few areas we can actually recruit from isn't it?

 

[Dark Sharks]

We'd all love Brisbane to take 38 for Dev, but the fact he's contracted means they'll get the final say.


Push comes to shove, personally I wouldn't cry too much about losing pick 26 for him. Maybe a cheeky pick upgrade our way to make it go down easier.

Dev + 31 for 26 and 38?

Head to the draft with 2, 20, 31 + Dev.


My point is, given the evenness of the draft, the talent dropping off quickly after pick 15, and Rohan generally being quite useless with second rounders, particularly midfielders, I'd rather take the known quality.

He seems capable at AFL level, there's minimal risk and we know what we're getting bringing him in to give us some grunt work at the coal face with Culley. Just because Brisbane are stupid and have been playing a spud like Mathieson ahead of him, doesn't mean he's garbage. He slid on draft night to the second round, then hasn't got a crack properly since.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Ex-AFL listed players are one of the few areas we can actually recruit from isn't it?

Wonder if Taj Schofield will join the Beagles now he’s been delisted by Port?

 

[WCE_phil]

From your previous posts you have some inside knowledge of lemmey
If he or scully fall to say the 3rd round would you pick either?
They both seem to have fallen off a cliff


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I will likely be in an interview involving Scully in the next few weeks. Scully has still kicked 50 goals for the year and is 204cm. That alone is enough for me to look at drafting him but on what I have seen and followed I now prefer Phoenix Foster as a pick. I do have inside information on Lemmey and no I wouldn't be drafting him, even if we kept pick 38 and he is there. The reasons for not drafting him I can't really discuss.

I'd really love to put Scully through some agility testing and some real ruck contests but will have to wait on the first and can't see the second and no-one likely will before the draft. He's not overly agile but he has great hands, is a decent kick and could become a mid tier ruckman as well. I would likely him to perhaps a less aggressive Jack Williams but he's a good 7cm taller and has amazing reach.

 

[Free Agent]

Rioli announcment is taking awhile.
Didn't he have a meeting yesterday.

 

[WCE_phil]

Rookies we have to make a decision about on the 8:-
Strnadica - gone already
Joyce - never got past rehab, his favourite position so gone
Naish - should go, was out of favour and we have depth in our outside mids
West - a trier and has improved but needs to go
Dixon - needs to go, after early good signs, his recent senior performances were low WAFL standard
Trew - one good game and then not much including WAFL so gone
Jones - stays BUT I think he now needs to go to the senior list
OUTCOME: 6 to go
That would leave us with just Culley as a rookie with the possibility of delisting Langdon and Foley (who are both contracted) if we wanted to free up spaces. If we don't pick them up, the cap gets a little bit tighter but not much

Main list (excluding Sheppard) is 37 and need to make decisions on about 5:
Nelson - an UFA after 8 seasons and is likely to go back home and not likely to deliver any compensation pick
Witherden - after 2 years he has fallen out of favour and with the extension of Hurn, he is likely gone
BWilliams - after 4 years, his late form in the season has probably given him an extension (plus we are short of ruck stocks)
Winder - will be lucky to survive and at best will be offered a train on spot post the draft
Rioli - stay or go, he supposedly wants more dollars but he has not earned it. He missed 2 years of football and it showed. Not fussed trade or stay based on this season but I believe he could be better.
Langdon is contracted and whilst many on the board want him gone, Simmo likes picking him. If up to me, he's gone and just pay him out. It is not likely though.

NicNat - is showing up on Footywire as out of contract but I think that is just West Coast not being open

JK - officially retired
NicNat and BWilliams to go on
Nelson, Witherden and Winder to go
Rioli - unsure

Jones to be added to senior list

No need to keep a spot for the mid season draft - I have absolute confidence our S&C team will open up a spot for us
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Summary - 10 off, 1 moves to senior list allowing 4 picks at the ND and 3 more rookies

I would delist Clark and Langdon to allow for another player to be traded in and allow for us to have the option of trading in for a player that we highly rate if he slides. If the trade doesn't happen only 1 has to go to the rookie draft and the same with there not being a player we want. We went with the absolute max senior list numbers this year so if neither of the above 2 happen it still means would could just go up to 6 rookies and only take 4 national draft picks as well.

I'd just like the numbers to be more open. Also Shep already being off the list but AFAIK was still taking a main list space. I need to check (it's been a prick of a morning and afternoon) but wouldn't his spot cover jones elevation.

I'd like to keep Winder but it seems his papers are stamped by the club.

There are actually two players I expect/could request a trade. 1 is Rotham and I feel pretty confident in him requesting one. 2. Is williams, He might not actively request one the game against the cats could well get an offer put in front of him we aren't willing to match.

 

[JackOutback]

I would delist Clark and Langdon to allow for another player to be traded in and allow for us to have the option of trading in for a player that we highly rate if he slides. If the trade doesn't happen only 1 has to go to the rookie draft and the same with there not being a player we want. We went with the absolute max senior list numbers this year so if neither of the above 2 happen it still means would could just go up to 6 rookies and only take 4 national draft picks as well.

I'd just like the numbers to be more open. Also Shep already being off the list but AFAIK was still taking a main list space. I need to check (it's been a prick of a morning and afternoon) but wouldn't his spot cover jones elevation.

I'd like to keep Winder but it seems his papers are stamped by the club.

There are actually two players I expect/could request a trade. 1 is Rotham and I feel pretty confident in him requesting one. 2. Is williams, He might not actively request one the game against the cats could well get an offer put in front of him we aren't willing to match.

If the Eagles get Jackson or the Dockers get Jackson and we take Meek, I would consider both an upgrade on Williams and would be looking at trading him out. I'm just not sold on him as a ruck or resting forward.

 

[dinnaz]

Bazzo and Busslinger can play forward and defense.

We need another tall forward, Darling is 30. So is Gov.

Word is Gov may play forward / ruck next year and Simo has said on a couple of occasions he would like to try Barrass forward for an extended period.

So I don't see the Brander situation unfolding at all. One of Gov or Barrass play forward. Bazzo, Busslinger spend time developing down back. H Edwards is the other tall. Chances of all of Allen, Gov, H Edwards, Bazzzo, Barrass and Busslinger being 100% fit all the same time over the next two years? Not very high.

Plenty of opportunities for the young guys to develop.

They won't be good enough to lock in as our permanent 2nd tall fwd, and if one does reach that level then they would be twice as good down back.
Gov has played fwd and it was essentially a failure. When the focus is on him he is outbodied early (as he does to fwds) and then his run and jump at the footy is blocked.

 

[dinnaz]

Any time I go through what cuts we might make I end up with one spot being available for either West, Trew or Winder

My preference would be Winder but I suspect it’ll be West due to his higher work ethic and training standards, which I think are what the club aren’t happy with Winder about. (Purely a guess)

Any word on why Winder was snubbed early on? Besides the fact we tried to stuff him into a fwd pocket which is like being left in the middle of the Simpson Desert alone.
You'd expect that a 2nd year player wouldn't have the same personal standards yet when compared to a 23 year old. Something big off field?

 

[Keys]

Any word on why Winder was snubbed early on? Besides the fact we tried to stuff him into a fwd pocket which is like being left in the middle of the Simpson Desert alone.
You'd expect that a 2nd year player wouldn't have the same personal standards yet when compared to a 23 year old. Something big off field?

I genuinely don’t know but I have vague recollections of hearing he wasn’t training that well and his tank wasn’t good enough to play midfield

There’s nothing off field that I’ve heard about it

I did hear Knights say in a radio interview that they wanted to see him build some consistency at WAFL level when he was asked prior to the derby what Winder had to do

Makes it even more puzzling why he was flown over to Geelong to sit in the grandstand rather than play another game in the WAFL

 

[bh90210fan]

Apparently Free Agent is a recruiter for West Coast after having a look at the Rioli thread on the draft and trading board.

Yes, this is the same poster who went on a rant a few pages back about Harry Edwards’ head size.

God help us.

 

[Free Agent]

Apparently Free Agent is a recruiter for West Coast after having a look at the Rioli thread on the draft and trading board.

Yes, this is the same poster who went on a rant a few pages back about Harry Edwards’ head size.

God help us.

I thought we are all recruiters here ain't we.

 

[Obeanie1]

They won't be good enough to lock in as our permanent 2nd tall fwd, and if one does reach that level then they would be twice as good down back.
Gov has played fwd and it was essentially a failure. When the focus is on him he is outbodied early (as he does to fwds) and then his run and jump at the footy is blocked.

We are in development mode remember. How do we use our older players to help develop the kids.

Ive just described how you develop those talls down back while looking to developing our forwards. Maybe Barrass goes forward and Gov helps the kids develop down back.

 

[bh90210fan]

I thought we are all recruiters here ain't we.

I hope not

 

[Free Agent]

I hope not

Can you do me a favour now and go back on the draft board and start vouching for my recruiting credibility. Just say something like yeah I heard that you got that position. Something like that. Need to make it look real so I can put those opposition posters back in there place.

 

[Obeanie1]

Winder is the only one of those three on the main list isnt he? Probably doesnt help his cause.

Well he can be moved onto the rookie list where we can open up spots.

Better than being a rookie and only be able to move onto the main list where spots are short.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Apparently Free Agent is a recruiter for West Coast after having a look at the Rioli thread on the draft and trading board.

Yes, this is the same poster who went on a rant a few pages back about Harry Edwards’ head size.

God help us.

I think his office is right next to GoEaglesGo’s.

 

[random260]

Alot of young mids need to go they had their shot.

1) West
2) Clark
3) SPS
4) Naish
5) Trew
6) Langdon


On thin ice are: Jones, XON, and Edwards. XON is a B+ player at best he can be a redden.

Winder gets one more year based on WAFL then he gets chopped.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Alot of young mids need to go they had their shot.

1) West
2) Clark
3) SPS
4) Naish
5) Trew
6) Langdon


On thin ice are: Jones, XON, and Edwards. XON is a B+ player at best he can be a redden.

Winder gets one more year based on WAF then he gets chopped.

Clark & SPS have had 1 season in an injury and covid ravaged season. Bit early to discard them I'd have thunk?

 

[WCE_phil]

From what little i've heard with Winder it has been in relation to attitude and training standards. His dad being a bit of a dick towards the club probably hasn't helped either.

The club really doesn't like being talked down about. (even if it is justified in a lot of cases) So his dad making outward comments about him not getting games etc may not help his case.

Now someone else asked me about Ginbey. I have two issues with him as a selection for west coast.
1. As a midfielder I see him as too defensive and if I was drafting him it would be as a midfielder
2. His kicking is average.

I would be unhappy if we picked him up at 20 and with that I think he's gone before we get another pick. He's outside my 25 but I can see why the club rates him, particularly if they see the talent pool in that area as so close to one another they might go the home grown product particularly even if played out of position he's been good enough to be holding down a league spot almost all year. I have been told he interviews very well.

At this stage I haven't been involved in any interviews but as part of the interview process I will be giving players advice on the interview in regards to what is expected and during the interviews I won't be talking but will be there silent to look for any cues in regards to players saying what they want clubs to hear and or ticks or tells that they are being dishonest and giving my opinion afterwards.

Until then I'm just going to be watching games Juniors over the weekends and have a list of players a club wants game reports on. I saw earlier someone post a review of Tsatas input in his previous game and whilst I agree with a lot of it, a lot of what im being asked for is not what they are doing on the ball but what they are doing off of it.

 

[Keys]

Clark & SPS have had 1 season in an injury and covid ravaged season. Bit early to discard them I'd have thunk?

Clark especially

Delayed start to the season due to shoulder surgery late in the preseason that arguably could/should have been done earlier and then in the few games he did get was either the medisub and/or played out of position

 

[OldBlueEagle]

Rioli announcment is taking awhile.
Didn't he have a meeting yesterday.

Report on SEN this morning is he will sign a 3 year deal. Was holding out for additional year.

 

[bh90210fan]

Can you do me a favour now and go back on the draft board and start vouching for my recruiting credibility. Just say something like yeah I heard that you got that position. Something like that. Need to make it look real so I can put those opposition posters back in there place.

Jeez, I don’t know mate. I mean I would but you just lost all credibility with that odd Harry’s head size melt.