List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

[Dark Sharks]

Trying to recall the last time we weren't in this thread saying we're desperately needing some midfield depth.

 

[Arrogant Eagle]

Trying to recall the last time we weren't in this thread saying we're desperately needing some midfield depth.

In the mid 2000s KPF were probably the hot topic of the time. Knocking on wood, but our KPD stocks have always been good to elite.

 

[KO_KO]

This thread has gone to watermelon


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[Eastcoasteagle]

He is the one that... sadly..... got away.

And for pick 32, which was a steal. He dominated the championships, and then went back to East Freo and dominated (see below) so it was well known he was a gem.
Goal kicking mids are so rare, he also has good agility, speed and is a beautiful kick. I would've tried everything on draft night to pick swap to try and get him after he went past pick 25.

 

[Cuzz09]

32 reminds me of Blurton.



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[Dark Sharks]

So that pick 31 which we including in the Kelly trade and i was crying about all offseason....


Would that have been able to snag Rivers, or would it have been pushed back to about 35 and we would've missed him anyway?


I guess if we were really that into him, the club could've wheeled and dealed with a package or future picks to get up the draft order to get him.

 

[Monocle]

And for pick 32, which was a steal. He dominated the championships, and then went back to East Freo and dominated (see below) so it was well known he was a gem.
Goal kicking mids are so rare, he also has good agility, speed and is a beautiful kick. I would've tried everything on draft night to pick swap to try and get him after he went past pick 25.

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Die hard Eagles fan and he would have been a lifer for us.

 

[Monocle]

So that pick 31 which we including in the Kelly trade and i was crying about all offseason....


Would that have been able to snag Rivers, or would it have been pushed back to about 35 and we would've missed him anyway?


I guess if we were really that into him, the club could've wheeled and dealed with a package or future picks to get up the draft order to get him.

We had pick # 27 the Sydney pick we got for being good guys the year before.

He went at # 32 ............ he would have been ours ............. had we retained the pick.

 

[Obeanie1]

Excluding the gap of no Willie (geez with the improvement of Ryan, having those two guys swapping in and out if the middle and forward would be so sweet) I think the Eagles really lacked that defensive winger, dare I say Masten role, just gut running, blocking up holes. The lack of pressure coming into the defensive 50 was really noticeable as well as the lack of an easy option down the line, attacking from the defensive 50.

We lacked the mojo created by the small forward group who chase and defend as well as attack. Venables, Rioli not there and Cripps out for a large part of the year.

It is plain as day. With that aspect of our game dropping away the ball clears our forward line too easily, puts more pressure on our mids to defend and the flow on goes all the way into the back half.

And that is why we have cut a few and will be targeting more. Langdon as a trade and another one or two in the draft. Maybe target the smaller forward / mids in the draft that do slide a bit.

If we want forward pressure why not look at Cole? Brings intent every game, is quick and hard. He even started kicking goals this year but looked like he needs to practice that a bit more.

 

[Obeanie1]

Die hard Eagles fan and he would have been a lifer for us.

Well we will just have to wait and see how much of a fan he is?

Remember, the kid is at Melbourne, a club with no heart, poor culture and little direction.

If we aren't into him big time to trade back next year we are idiots. Non of this "we respect clubs with contracted players" blah fricken blah.

Get in his ear and put an offer to him he can't refuse. You wait another 4 years we'll be paying another Kelly ransom.

PS: On a side note, 'come on GWS, bend those Cats flogs over and get what Cameron is worth'.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Bottom line is there is a distinct lack of WA crybaby draftee's who want to come home, and if they do it's to Cockburn and their career gets ruined.

Vic teams, or any team should be confident with any WA based rookies they draft as history suggests it's fairly uncommon.



Or even the club targeting WA talent it's missed out on. That hasn't really happened lately either, Kelly aside, and boy oh boy did we pay for that.

Can't recall the last time we came out and said "We're into X player at such and such club, we know they are contracted, OOC but we rate them highly"

Clearly it's something we just don't do publicly, if at all.


Langdon is about as far as that's gone since Yeo at the end of 2013, and at the moment it's only speculation and nothing concrete either.



Swallow, O'Meara, English, Coniglio, Cripps, Bolton, Naughton, Taylor, Fisher all look to be lost for WA.



Hopefully the club is at least asking the question behind the scenes with Rivers, Robertson, Clark, Powell, Hill, Warner, Georgiades, Ruscoe types




I'm sure it's happened, it just doesn't feel like we've been very successful for such a big state and talent pool, with only 2 local teams.

 

[FKASC]

And for pick 32, which was a steal. He dominated the championships, and then went back to East Freo and dominated (see below) so it was well known he was a gem.
Goal kicking mids are so rare, he also has good agility, speed and is a beautiful kick. I would've tried everything on draft night to pick swap to try and get him after he went past pick 25.

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Rivers looks like an absolute gun. His class and poise stands out like dogs balls in Demons colours. He’s already had practically match winning games. Can’t believe they got him so cheap.

 

[FKASC]

We had pick # 27 the Sydney pick we got for being good guys the year before.

He went at # 32 ............ he would have been ours ............. had we retained the pick.

It’s hard to trace everything back but my understanding is that pick went to Geelong as part of the Kelly trade and then on to GC so they could get Sharp. And then Geelong got a pick upgrade this year which will help them get Cameron.

Going to be interesting to one day try and untangle all of the flow on effects of the Kelly trade.

Either way Rivers looks to have enough talent to have justified a pick in the first round at least

 

[Tugga27]

Good cop bad cop won us the QF in 2018. Simmo with the "if we lose at least we get a second chance" with Mitchell "if we lose this final we wont win the flag."

You've trotted that line out before but have never been able to verify there's any truth in it.
Unless you can, I'm calling BS again.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

You've trotted that line out before but have never been able to verify there's any truth in it.
Unless you can, I'm calling BS again.

I think it's in the 2018 highlights DVD. I definitely remember seeing/reading it somewhere (hopefully not just on these forums haha)

BTW I'm in the Premiership or Bust side of the Kelly trade debate. Up the Coasters!!!

 

[shooshka]

Well we will just have to wait and see how much of a fan he is?

Remember, the kid is at Melbourne, a club with no heart, poor culture and little direction.

If we aren't into him big time to trade back next year we are idiots. Non of this "we respect clubs with contracted players" blah fricken blah.

Get in his ear and put an offer to him he can't refuse. You wait another 4 years we'll be paying another Kelly ransom.

PS: On a side note, 'come on GWS, bend those Cats flogs over and get what Cameron is worth'.

The Cameron trade will be an interesting one... I think we'll all (rightfully) be pretty filthy if it ends up as pick 18, a 3rd rounder and some no-name player... (another Dangerfield trade)

GWS should assume that Geelong are going to win the premiership with him next year - after all, Geelong set that standard of how to value future picks (when trading with us). I would have thought 2 first rounds (11 - which will end up later, 19/20 - which will end up much later) this year, plus their future first would be reasonable with a 3rd round future pick coming back. It is actually very similar to what we paid for Kelly - and Cameron has a better CV.

 

[RanaNaved]

Good to see the usual handwringers up and about, best part of the off-season imo.

 

[pantskyle]

FOLD THE CLUB

 

[Tugga27]

I think it's in the 2018 highlights DVD. I definitely remember seeing/reading it somewhere (hopefully not just on these forums haha)

BTW I'm in the Premiership or Bust side of the Kelly trade debate. Up the Coasters!!!

Would love to see it then.
I would be staggered.

Do you honestly think a coach would say that to the players before or during a game?

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

BOND 007 you are a good and loyal servant of the Club and stick to backing up and supporting your mates in the recruiting team, no matter what.
That’s a noble attribute and I mean that genuinely.

However you guys are ultimately judged by your drafting decisions and given they are made in a public forum, they are always going to draw commentary.

Yes I think Constable is a better player than Ainsworth - it’s a opinion, no more no less.

I may well be in the minority but I still am struggling to see the output from Ainsworth that I believe the two players I mentioned have shown.

Obviously you and the team see otherwise.

That doesn’t stop us plebs from voicing our opinions.

I would love to be proved wrong and for Ainsworth to become a regular and productive AFL player.
I would be thrilled if I had stuffed up my original and steadfast assessment of Ainsworth , as I did with Ryan who I thought wouldn’t make it at the next level.

I am sure you guys do your own retrospective draft analysis one, two and five years after the event to reassess what you missed, what you didn’t see at the time of the draft.
That, I am sure is an interesting exercise.

Every recruiter and talent scout has hits and misses, that’s a given.
After all it is a dark science.

Football supporters are parochial and passionate by nature and as such their / our criticism of some picks is done, not because we get a buzz out of sh*t caning you guys, rather it’s done because we want the best for our Mighty Club.
Some of us also sink some serious coin, every year into the Club, so it’s a commitment by us than runs deeper and beyond just some opinions.

Just because the recruiting team are paid professionals, entrusted by the Clubs Management to pick the best players that they think are available.
That doesn’t squash our right to voice our opinions, be they positive or negative.
Yes we / I critique your work, I don’t apologise for that.
I would think that’s expected by the team. Whenever you operate in the public domaine you will be under the spotlight.

All sports, around the world has that intrinsic element to it, as people vicariously live through their teams fortunes.

It’s part of the passion that comes with the game itself.
Yes at times it is illogical, highly emotive, and very insular.

So with that said may I wish you guys all the best in the forthcoming trade and draft season.
You guys have a difficult task, as this drafts preparation and year of talent assessment has been like no other previously.

If I may be so bold as to put out a Christmas Stocking:

May I ask, can you guys get us a good solid B grade inside / outside midfielder in the draft.

You guys hold the Clubs future in your hands.

Do us proud .

To be fair Monocle, I believe the person to blame for choosing Ainsworth would be Obrien, if my memory serves me correctly alot of the recruitment team were saying Worpel on draft night.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

No doubt he is struggling to crack the side, hence the several articles where he is linked as a likely trade. Getting concussed in his match against WC this year wouldn't have helped his cause either.

Ironically the only stats Ainsworth has him covered for is disposal efficiency and clangers
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edit - and 1%, turnovers and (not insignificantly) an extra 10% time on ground, on average.

To be fair to Bubba he hasnt been played in his preferred position. When he is then we can properly compare the two

 

[EagleEgo]

Statement: Runners revealed for 2020 Colgate Grand Final Sprint - https://www.afl.com.au/news/520498
J Clark is in the Sprint implies he will not be in the 22 + 4 emergencies of the GF.
That is a strong signal of showing he is definitely leaving Geelong??!!

 

[Shuestar13]

I think it was all at 3QT. Softy Simpson was doing his usual half hearted and weak attempts at trying to get a response from the team, placating them and telling them it’s ok if we don’t win.

Then in comes Meltdown Mitchell, full of anger and fire. All Gatorade bottles were assembled and then unleashed on our weak willed midfielders, along with abuse and insults.

Then we won

#Softymustgo #BringbackMitchell+Pyke

 

[swingdog]

Statement: Runners revealed for 2020 Colgate Grand Final Sprint - https://www.afl.com.au/news/520498
J Clark is in the Sprint implies he will not be in the 22 + 4 emergencies of the GF.
That is a strong signal of showing he is definitely leaving Geelong??!!

Just tell him to keep running, out the stadium and to the airport for a flight to Perth.

 

[SloppyJoe]

The Ainsworth melters are outwardly seething but on the inside they are somewhat relieved...he is the villain they need.