Certified Legendary Thread Corona, Jamaica ooh I wanna take ya (COVID-19 Information & Discussion Here) Part 2 "The Second Wave"

[FR0GGY]

Well we did have the fence jumper

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What about the naked bloke two fishermen found in the mangroves?

 

[Vader]

Because there’s always a possibility that the odd case will pop up like it’s done in SA and NSW because we are importing it from overseas. Locking down every time is cruel and unnecessary as the NSW government has shown. Particularly the Brisbane lockdown with zero evidence of true community spread.
Those lockdowns are like the death by a thousand cuts now. These small businesses aren’t built to handle that kind of situation. There is no guaranteed elimination if people are still coming here and Air travel also needs to keep occurring or the recovery will be even harder.

SA & QLD have both gone for the "circuit breaker" lockdown, for reasons which still escape the intellect of the professor Mutineer seems to like quoting.

The virus has been in the community for several days before it is discovered. This buys the contact tracers time to identify potential chains of transmission, and sources of infection (both upstream & downstream). It also prevents further transmission while they're still trying to figure out what has happened.

The QLD lockdown happened because the cleaner had been active in the community, using public transport, for 6 days while infectious. It is entirely due to dumb luck that she didn't manage to infect anyone else (other than her partner) during this period. However, the circuit breaker lockdown allowed them to contact trace everyone who shared that public transport with her, and put them into quarantine to prevent them from infecting others.

As a result of their circuit breaker lockdowns, both SA & QLD have been able to quickly get on top of the virus and have eliminated it from their communities. In contrast, NSW have only ever had 2x 14-day periods without community transmission, and they've never gone 28 days without community transmission - something which every other state & territory has achieved. Gladys' Govt has been an abject failure with their handling of the virus.

 

[Vader]

The Gold standard "Premier" (IMO) in the AFR today: "ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr said the debate about aggressive suppression versus eradication was ‘‘a bit semantic’’. He said all states and territories had zero tolerance for community transmission but it needed to be grounded in the pragmatic view that the idea of having no cases was unrealistic."

They keep saying that it's unrealistic... yet every state & territory, except "lead paperweight standard" NSW, has managed to achieve it.

 

[CrowinNT]

What about the naked bloke two fishermen found in the mangroves?

That was hilarious but he was a fugitive

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[Vhaluus]

SA & QLD have both gone for the "circuit breaker" lockdown, for reasons which still escape the intellect of the professor Mutineer seems to like quoting.

The virus has been in the community for several days before it is discovered. This buys the contact tracers time to identify potential chains of transmission, and sources of infection (both upstream & downstream). It also prevents further transmission while they're still trying to figure out what has happened.

The QLD lockdown happened because the cleaner had been active in the community, using public transport, for 6 days while infectious. It is entirely due to dumb luck that she didn't manage to infect anyone else (other than her partner) during this period. However, the circuit breaker lockdown allowed them to contact trace everyone who shared that public transport with her, and put them into quarantine to prevent them from infecting others.

As a result of their circuit breaker lockdowns, both SA & QLD have been able to quickly get on top of the virus and have eliminated it from their communities. In contrast, NSW have only ever had 2x 14-day periods without community transmission, and they've never gone 28 days without community transmission - something which every other state & territory has achieved. Gladys' Govt has been an abject failure with their handling of the virus.

And since the right keeps going 'won't someone think of the economy'. The cost of a brief 3 day lockdown in the Brisbane area is a lot less than the rolling area lockdowns that NSW is being forced to undertake.

 

[Vhaluus]

Because there’s always a possibility that the odd case will pop up like it’s done in SA and NSW because we are importing it from overseas. Locking down every time is cruel and unnecessary as the NSW government has shown. Particularly the Brisbane lockdown with zero evidence of true community spread.
Those lockdowns are like the death by a thousand cuts now. These small businesses aren’t built to handle that kind of situation. There is no guaranteed elimination if people are still coming here and Air travel also needs to keep occurring or the recovery will be even harder.

Queenslands 3 day lockdown was 'cruel and unnecessary'

Yet the northern beaches spent 3 weeks in lockdown and you consider that a success story?

 

[jenny61_99]

Story in the Age today: "4000 people stuck in NSW since the border closed in the new year, who still have no idea when they might be able to go home"

but 1200 "Tennis players and officials are expected to begin arriving on 15 charter flights from Thursday at 5pm"

So the international border is more open than the interstate border?

This has been the most frustrating thing from the get go.... politicians trying to keep their people safe, but also trying to keep their economies afloat whilst disadvantaging their own people. The inconsistencies make it difficult to comprehend at times.

 

[jenny61_99]

SA & QLD have both gone for the "circuit breaker" lockdown, for reasons which still escape the intellect of the professor Mutineer seems to like quoting.

The virus has been in the community for several days before it is discovered. This buys the contact tracers time to identify potential chains of transmission, and sources of infection (both upstream & downstream). It also prevents further transmission while they're still trying to figure out what has happened.

The QLD lockdown happened because the cleaner had been active in the community, using public transport, for 6 days while infectious. It is entirely due to dumb luck that she didn't manage to infect anyone else (other than her partner) during this period. However, the circuit breaker lockdown allowed them to contact trace everyone who shared that public transport with her, and put them into quarantine to prevent them from infecting others.

As a result of their circuit breaker lockdowns, both SA & QLD have been able to quickly get on top of the virus and have eliminated it from their communities. In contrast, NSW have only ever had 2x 14-day periods without community transmission, and they've never gone 28 days without community transmission - something which every other state & territory has achieved. Gladys' Govt has been an abject failure with their handling of the virus.

Trump is an abject failure... Boris is an abject failure. Reckon it’s a bit harsh on Gladys even if she’s made a few cockups.

 

[kirky]

And since the right keeps going 'won't someone think of the economy'. The cost of a brief 3 day lockdown in the Brisbane area is a lot less than the rolling area lockdowns that NSW is being forced to undertake.

Then we have the mental health angle that Gladys keeps going on about. Well I can have 50 people in my house, you can only have 5 in NSW.

Marketing 101 and she keeps banging on about other states. Just get to zero community transmission for 28 days for once in this pandemic, which has not yet occurred. Once you do that then you can start having a go at other states.

And now I see we have taken the Kmart of the vaccines - the one we have 50 million doses is only 62% effective as opposed to Pfzier and Moderna at 95% effective. 62% won’t cut it at all. Why? We have taken the cheapest of them all. Hmmm. Wonder he chose that?

 

[kirky]

This has been the most frustrating thing from the get go.... politicians trying to keep their people safe, but also trying to keep their economies afloat whilst disadvantaging their own people. The inconsistencies make it difficult to comprehend at times.

Each State Premier has to look after their constituents first and foremost. As said at the beginning this is a health issue first and foremost, you don’t get the health issue under control, you won’t have an economy.

 

[Vhaluus]

Then we have the mental health angle that Gladys keeps going on about. Well I can have 50 people in my house, you can only have 5 in NSW.

Marketing 101 and she keeps banging on about other states. Just get to zero community transmission for 28 days for once in this pandemic, which has not yet occurred. Once you do that then you can start having a go at other states.

The mental health angle actually makes me angry.

The liberals and nationals have never taken mental health seriously. Now suddenly it is apparently their chief concern. It is inauthentic from the politicians and it is inauthentic from those here spouting it as a concern.

If they were actually legitimately concerned with it what resources have they put in place to support those that might be struggling during covid? jack shit, both at a state and national level.

 

[Vader]

And now I see we have taken the Kmart of the vaccines - the one we have 50 million doses is only 62% effective as opposed to Pfzier and Moderna at 95% effective. 62% won’t cut it at all. Why? We have taken the cheapest of them all. Hmmm. Wonder he chose that?

A - It's the cheapest.
B - We have the ability to manufacture it in Australia - we don't have that ability for the mRNA vaccines.

I read a while ago that the scientists are considering giving people a mix of vaccines, hoping that they get the best effects of both. The idea is that you'd get the Pfizer vaccine initially, then the 3 week booster would be AstraZeneca. These drugs act in different ways, so the idea is that you'd be hitting the virus from two different directions at the same time.

I don't know if they've done any trials yet, combining the two drugs. Probably not, given that neither Pfizer nor AstraZeneca have even finished their own trials yet.

 

[kirky]

A - It's the cheapest.
B - We have the ability to manufacture it in Australia - we don't have that ability for the mRNA vaccines.

I read a while ago that the scientists are considering giving people a mix of vaccines, hoping that they get the best effects of both. The idea is that you'd get the Pfizer vaccine initially, then the 3 week booster would be AstraZeneca. These drugs act in different ways, so the idea is that you'd be hitting the virus from two different directions at the same time.

I don't know if they've done any trials yet, combining the two drugs. Probably not, given that neither Pfizer nor AstraZeneca have even finished their own trials yet.

The issue is one drug costs $4- whilst the other two cost $20 and $37 respectively. As is the norm with everything in life, you go cheap, you need to do more/replace more often. You won’t get here immunity with 62%, which at the end of the day is what they are after. Oh and no-one over 70 was involved in the AstraZeneca trial (around 9k as opposed to other two who had 30k and 43k). We have taken the cheapest option. Typical of the Feds.

The mental health angle actually makes me angry.

The liberals and nationals have never taken mental health seriously. Now suddenly it is apparently their chief concern. It is inauthentic from the politicians and it is inauthentic from those here spouting it as a concern.

If they were actually legitimately concerned with it what resources have they put in place to support those that might be struggling during covid? jack sh*t, both at a state and national level.

The other states will get vocal if NSW continues to be the outlier if it doesn’t achieve zero community transmission.

 

[Vhaluus]

The issue is one drug costs $4- whilst the other two cost $20 and $37 respectively. As is the norm with everything in life, you go cheap, you need to do more/replace more often. You won’t get here immunity with 62%, which at the end of the day is what they are after. Oh and no-one over 70 was involved in the AstraZeneca trial (around 9k as opposed to other two who had 30k and 43k). We have taken the cheapest option. Typical of the Feds.



The other states will get vocal if NSW continues to be the outlier if it doesn’t achieve zero community transmission.

Even at a higher effectiveness we actually don't have any idea if we'll be able to achieve herd immunity.

The testing was all about preventing the illness, there isn't nearly as much data about weather they stop you transmitting the virus.

 

[baldandbroke]

Even at a higher effectiveness we actually don't have any idea if we'll be able to achieve herd immunity.

The testing was all about preventing the illness, there isn't nearly as much data about weather they stop you transmitting the virus.

Herd immunity from a virus? Doesn't sound right to me?

For most of us, vaccinations will just be another tool to use alongside contact tracing, social distancing and washing your hands!

 

[Mutineer]

SA & QLD have both gone for the "circuit breaker" lockdown, for reasons which still escape the intellect of the professor Mutineer seems to like quoting.

The virus has been in the community for several days before it is discovered. This buys the contact tracers time to identify potential chains of transmission, and sources of infection (both upstream & downstream). It also prevents further transmission while they're still trying to figure out what has happened.

The QLD lockdown happened because the cleaner had been active in the community, using public transport, for 6 days while infectious. It is entirely due to dumb luck that she didn't manage to infect anyone else (other than her partner) during this period. However, the circuit breaker lockdown allowed them to contact trace everyone who shared that public transport with her, and put them into quarantine to prevent them from infecting others.

As a result of their circuit breaker lockdowns, both SA & QLD have been able to quickly get on top of the virus and have eliminated it from their communities. In contrast, NSW have only ever had 2x 14-day periods without community transmission, and they've never gone 28 days without community transmission - something which every other state & territory has achieved. Gladys' Govt has been an abject failure with their handling of the virus.

And unsurprisingly liked by 5 lefties...spare me...

 

[Vhaluus]

And unsurprisingly liked by 5 lefties...spare me...

and backed up by medical experts across the nation...

Some of us like to live in reality and trust scientists and evidence rather than politicians.

edit: you're ever the coward, preferring to use emotes rather than actually respond.

 

[mistylake]

Herd immunity from a virus? Doesn't sound right to me?

For most of us, vaccinations will just be another tool to use alongside contact tracing, social distancing and washing your hands!

The whole thing makes little sense as the doctors and medical experts on TV interviews have said, these vaccines (not sure if all of them) don’t stop you getting infected, or being contagious and infecting others with sars-cov-2 virus, just you won’t get COVID-19 disease.

If young people 99.999 % of time are completely unaffected and the vaccine doesn’t stop you passing it around I fail to understand the need for this vaccine in that age group.

In the end if it’s in your system but your asymptomatic or it’s like a mild cold is it any worst than catching a mild cold? Especially if you’re not in a high risk group?

 

[brucetiki]

A - It's the cheapest.
B - We have the ability to manufacture it in Australia - we don't have that ability for the mRNA vaccines.

I read a while ago that the scientists are considering giving people a mix of vaccines, hoping that they get the best effects of both. The idea is that you'd get the Pfizer vaccine initially, then the 3 week booster would be AstraZeneca. These drugs act in different ways, so the idea is that you'd be hitting the virus from two different directions at the same time.

I don't know if they've done any trials yet, combining the two drugs. Probably not, given that neither Pfizer nor AstraZeneca have even finished their own trials yet.

Also, even at 62%, isn't it more effective than the flu vaccination?

 

[mistylake]

This has been the most frustrating thing from the get go.... politicians trying to keep their people safe, but also trying to keep their economies afloat whilst disadvantaging their own people. The inconsistencies make it difficult to comprehend at times.

90% of Sydney metro area businesses were not impacted by the virus escaping the NSW quarantine.
100% of businesses in Adelaide and Brisbane were impacted by their shutdowns. Some businesses this would be the straw that breaks the camels back. Same in Sydney’s northern beaches but the number of potential dead businesses is greatly reduced.
Before kirky chimes in with the “they are shit businesses” garbage.
No they are businesses that have been beat almost to death but are clinging on and will recover, however a few more punches to the head will kill them.
I support only the NSW method, this “circuit breaker” crap is only beneficial to the medicos not the public and not the small businesses that support the largest majority of workers in the country. 98.45% of businesses are considered small businesses. 76.2% employ 1-4 people. They are not designed to operate under these kind of conditions.

 

[mistylake]

Then we have the mental health angle that Gladys keeps going on about. Well I can have 50 people in my house, you can only have 5 in NSW.

Marketing 101 and she keeps banging on about other states. Just get to zero community transmission for 28 days for once in this pandemic, which has not yet occurred. Once you do that then you can start having a go at other states.

And now I see we have taken the Kmart of the vaccines - the one we have 50 million doses is only 62% effective as opposed to Pfzier and Moderna at 95% effective. 62% won’t cut it at all. Why? We have taken the cheapest of them all. Hmmm. Wonder he chose that?

The doctor on the news this morning doesn’t seem to have her fact straight and has been rebuffed by a higher authority The CMO.

 

[Mutineer]

90% of Sydney metro area businesses were not impacted by the virus escaping the NSW quarantine.
100% of businesses in Adelaide and Brisbane were impacted by their shutdowns. Some businesses this would be the straw that breaks the camels back. Same in Sydney’s northern beaches but the number of potential dead businesses is greatly reduced.
Before kirky chimes in with the “they are sh*t businesses” garbage.
No they are businesses that have been beat almost to death but are clinging on and will recover, however a few more punches to the head will kill them.
I support only the NSW method, this “circuit breaker” crap is only beneficial to the medicos not the public and not the small businesses that support the largest majority of workers in the country. 98.45% of businesses are considered small businesses. 76.2% employ 1-4 people. They are not designed to operate under these kind of conditions.

I think you could say with some certainty none of those attacking you for your stand are small business owners with their balls on the line and likely never have been....salaried workers no doubt.

 

[mistylake]

A - It's the cheapest.
B - We have the ability to manufacture it in Australia - we don't have that ability for the mRNA vaccines.

I read a while ago that the scientists are considering giving people a mix of vaccines, hoping that they get the best effects of both. The idea is that you'd get the Pfizer vaccine initially, then the 3 week booster would be AstraZeneca. These drugs act in different ways, so the idea is that you'd be hitting the virus from two different directions at the same time.

I don't know if they've done any trials yet, combining the two drugs. Probably not, given that neither Pfizer nor AstraZeneca have even finished their own trials yet.

I watched “The Dallas Buyers Club” Monday night. (True Story) I know it was set in the 80’s but are we convinced Doctors, scientists, governments and Big Pharma are any better or more ethical now than then. I don’t believe so.

 

[Scorpus]

SA & QLD have both gone for the "circuit breaker" lockdown, for reasons which still escape the intellect of the professor Mutineer seems to like quoting.

The virus has been in the community for several days before it is discovered. This buys the contact tracers time to identify potential chains of transmission, and sources of infection (both upstream & downstream). It also prevents further transmission while they're still trying to figure out what has happened.

The QLD lockdown happened because the cleaner had been active in the community, using public transport, for 6 days while infectious. It is entirely due to dumb luck that she didn't manage to infect anyone else (other than her partner) during this period. However, the circuit breaker lockdown allowed them to contact trace everyone who shared that public transport with her, and put them into quarantine to prevent them from infecting others.

As a result of their circuit breaker lockdowns, both SA & QLD have been able to quickly get on top of the virus and have eliminated it from their communities. In contrast, NSW have only ever had 2x 14-day periods without community transmission, and they've never gone 28 days without community transmission - something which every other state & territory has achieved. Gladys' Govt has been an abject failure with their handling of the virus.

There were $1.01 odds that Mutineer would give this post a laugh emoji

 

[kirky]

I think you could say with some certainty none of those attacking you for your stand are small business owners with their balls on the line and likely never have been....salaried workers no doubt.

As it is travel related businesses (those dependent on overseas tourism) are the ones who have taken the greatest hit. A majority of businesses have been covered via JobKeeper.

The businesses that will go under generally are those with poor management not finance related and their inability to adapt to the changing conditions around them. If they have a good track record with their bank, they will get assistance to get them thru if it is required.