Certified Legendary Thread Corona, Jamaica ooh I wanna take ya (COVID-19 Information & Discussion Here) Part 2 "The Second Wave"

[Kane McGoodwin]

I do understand what the pervious best was, I have facted sevral of the results in, include previous time and effort that has gone into researching smiliar viruses.
But I also know that out of the 7 phase 3 trials, 2 have been approved and in production (albeit Russia and Wuhan China vaccine), While 3 others plan to finish there Phase 3 trials in the next 2 months, Phase 4 being Approval and Production
I also know that several groups are gearing up to manufacture a vaccine based on Risk Assessment information and I also know these Poeple don't jump at shadows, So I am basing my timing on factual data,
Re Australia the Oxford Vacine phase 3 wraps up on the 30th Oct 2020, with Phase 4 expect shortly there after,



What I am suprised at is how some cannot understand is that Nothing in history has match the shear volume of research, number of personnel involved, the time, effort, money, the sharing of imformation that has been put in place and the ammount of People undergoing these trials poeple from differant climates and differant county's the world at the same time with all the Data shared allow other crountries to get a jump when approval is given.
He an Idea, perviously from Phase 3 to production it has been known to take 1-2 years, today they are planning on doing it in weeks.
You do understand We are witnessing History in the making.

How do you test the long term affects of a vaccine in months?

I get record amounts is being spent by many to discover a vaccine, but loads of money can't buy time!

 

[mistylake]

I do understand what the pervious best was, I have facted sevral of the results in, include previous time and effort that has gone into researching smiliar viruses.
But I also know that out of the 7 phase 3 trials, 2 have been approved and in production (albeit Russia and Wuhan China vaccine), While 3 others plan to finish there Phase 3 trials in the next 2 months, Phase 4 being Approval and Production
I also know that several groups are gearing up to manufacture a vaccine based on Risk Assessment information and I also know these Poeple don't jump at shadows, So I am basing my timing on factual data,
Re Australia the Oxford Vacine phase 3 wraps up on the 30th Oct 2020, with Phase 4 expect shortly there after,



What I am suprised at is how some cannot understand is that Nothing in history has match the shear volume of research, number of personnel involved, the time, effort, money, the sharing of imformation that has been put in place and the ammount of People undergoing these trials poeple from differant climates and differant county's the world at the same time with all the Data shared allow other crountries to get a jump when approval is given.
He an Idea, perviously from Phase 3 to production it has been known to take 1-2 years, today they are planning on doing it in weeks.
You do understand We are witnessing History in the making.

You would well know the stats from WW2. The way all efforts went to the war. The US were pumping out large ships every week and thousands of planes. I heard that in the entire time the US were in the war only 3 vehicles were produced, such was the complete focus on the war effort.
This is probably similar.

 

[GreyCrow]

PM’S VACCINE CLAIM: DRUG FIRM SAYS ‘NO DEAL’
Drug company AstraZeneca says Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s claim he has reached a deal to secure 25 million doses of the Oxford University vaccine is not true.

Now it might be a pedantic use of words but there is a letter of intent - but not an agreement

 

[kirky]

PM’S VACCINE CLAIM: DRUG FIRM SAYS ‘NO DEAL’
Drug company AstraZeneca says Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s claim he has reached a deal to secure 25 million doses of the Oxford University vaccine is not true.

Now it might be a pedantic use of words but there is a letter of intent - but not an agreement

More marketing from SmoCo. Never a great one on detail.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Unis don’t have any money. No way they’d pay for them.

This is what was in Mondays Tiser. Has something changed

The flight from Singapore for South-East Asian students is expected to arrive in Adelaide in early September, in a test run for a larger-scale return nationally.

It is understood the final-year students will follow a strict hotel quarantine regime, paid for by universities and mirroring that in place for repatriated Australians.

Premier Steven Marshall said SA’s proposal had met the Federal Government’s stringent health and safety requirements and logistics were being finalised.

 

[1970crow]

You are asking me why media reporting is wrong? Seriously, you are now believing everything the media sensationalises to get attention of the public? Do you believe most of the AFL media too? Of course not!

These vaccine trials are reported consistently in the media as they are chasing the $'s... & the media lap it up because it's a great story. Have you seen how many hundreds of millions governments have committed to these pharmaceutical companies in the hope of a working vaccine...

Now just take a step back into reality. For a vaccine to be released, it needs to be properly tested because it may end up causing more damage than good. Can you imagine everyone in Australia bring given a free vaccine which ends up having drastic consequences. It could be worse than the actual COVID pandemic!

Hence time is needed. The current record time to release a vaccine was 4 years for mumps. Now far more is being invested for a COVID vaccine, so I expect this record will be broken, but it's doubtful that it's only months away as that doesn't allow time for proper testing.

so you have no specific information regarding this vaccine for this pandemic. That's ok, I figured that to be the case.

 

[1970crow]

PM’S VACCINE CLAIM: DRUG FIRM SAYS ‘NO DEAL’
Drug company AstraZeneca says Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s claim he has reached a deal to secure 25 million doses of the Oxford University vaccine is not true.

Now it might be a pedantic use of words but there is a letter of intent - but not an agreement

It's ok, according to you, Kane and Jen, he's got years to ink a deal.

 

[dogs105]

Well they can’t refuse Medicare rebates either. I know they did something with the antivaxers and childcare. It’s pretty stupid really, if an unvaccinated kid goes to a childcare how can it be a problem to vaccinated kids? Theoretically they are protected and only another unvaccinated kid would be affected. Boo hoo your parents are morons only the kids with dumb parents are at risk.

Or kids who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, or kids who are vaccinated but have compromised immunity due to other conditions or treatments.
Part of being a society is looking out for one another. There's too much "**** you, I got mine" nowadays.

 

[jenny61_99]

That's what the articles that I read on the oxford vaccine say. Now if you or Jen have specific knowledge on why the consistent reporting around this vaccine is wrong, I'm all ears. And, I never once used the term, "properly tested". That sounds like a backtrack. I've only ever posted the timings as contained within the articles about this single vaccine.

"Hundreds of millions of doses by end 2020" - https://theconversation.com/oxford-...ur-early-results-look-highly-promising-141558

"Could be in use by end of year" - https://www.sbs.com.au/news/oxford-...gers-strong-immune-response-human-trials-show

"Think we have a shot this year" - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-...virus-vaccine-uk-russia-news-covid-19-update/

"Ready by October, Aussies early 2021" - https://www.9news.com.au/national/c...xplainer/2ed5fabe-5405-4b18-86ce-49cf9a2f92f4

They are selling hope, not reality.

 

[1970crow]

Or kids who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, or kids who are vaccinated but have compromised immunity due to other conditions or treatments.
Part of being a society is looking out for one another. There's too much "fu** you, I got mine" nowadays.

I thought the idea was to look after the majority. What you're advocating is special treatment for isolated individuals to the detriment of the whole. I'd argue the attitude in your last sentence is that of those more rare cases. "**** everyone else, I want mine too". One way or another, life can be a bitch. I don't have kids, so have no emotional skin in the game, but I can see how both sides would get wound up.

 

[jenny61_99]

It's ok, according to you, Kane and Jen, he's got years to ink a deal.

he shouldn’t have sold it as a done deal. That was his mistake, nobody else’s.

 

[1970crow]

They are selling hope, not reality.

That's a nice broad statement, anything based on fact or just pure assumption based on past history. Let me guess, 50 years ago, mumps took 4 years. That's the benchmark right there.

 

[jenny61_99]

As for the need for any vaccination to be mandatory, I don’t think that will be necessary. For measles, the uptake to achieve herd immunity is around 95%. That’s because measles is highly infectious - far more than COVID. It may be that we only need an uptake of around 70%. this should account for people who conscientiously object as well as those unable to take it due to health reasons. I can see that maybe you won’t get travel insurance, for example, if you aren’t vaccinated.

 

[jenny61_99]

That's a nice broad statement, anything based on fact or just pure assumption based on past history. Let me guess, 50 years ago, mumps took 4 years. That's the benchmark right there.

The bench mark is, working in the industry and seeing how ****ing long it takes through every stage.

 

[1970crow]

he shouldn’t have sold it as a done deal. That was his mistake, nobody else’s.

I haven't listened to what he said, I'd read the article a day or 2 earlier that we had an agreement of intent with that mob to effectively manufacture under license. Not sure how it became a deal, but if ScoMo said that, he needs to be more accurate with his statements. Hope he wasn't as bad as that SA guy who said there were17k cases in Vic when talking to Tony Jones. What an idiot that guy is.

 

[dogs105]

I thought the idea was to look after the majority. What you're advocating is special treatment for isolated individuals to the detriment of the whole. I'd argue the attitude in your last sentence is that of those more rare cases. "fu** everyone else, I want mine too". One way or another, life can be a b*tch. I don't have kids, so have no emotional skin in the game, but I can see how both sides would get wound up.

It's not detrimental to the whole for people to get vaccinated if they can.

 

[1970crow]

It's not detrimental to the whole for people to get vaccinated if they can.

Thought you were talking about those that couldn't get vaccinated.

 

[mattymac]

Some silly old bint in Qld has caught the virus and continued going to work at a youth detention centre or something for 5 shifts despite having symptoms.

500 staff in isolation

 

[radiojake]

So international students from Singapore have a legit better chance at being able to be on the Yorke Peninsula for Xmas than I do, even though that's basically my 'home'

Weird

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Some silly old bint in Qld has caught the virus and continued going to work at a youth detention centre or something for 5 shifts despite having symptoms.

500 staff in isolation

This is honestly amazing

Before Covid 19 weren't people delighted when they got a cold? Sick leave you beauty, stay at home, feet up, still get paid, "Sorry boss... I'm not going to be able to make it in for the rest of the week..."

Netflix, cocoa, couch, a few Panadol

Fair enough if you're running your own business and sick leave doesn't exist but in roles like this where it does??!!

Now that there is an epidemic sweeping the globe and any symptom could be deadly which is widely publicised people are suddenly choosing to soldier on

 

[radiojake]

This is honestly amazing

Before Covid 19 weren't people delighted when they got a cold? Sick leave you beauty, stay at home, feet up, still get paid, "Sorry boss... I'm not going to be able to make it in for the rest of the week..."

Netflix, cocoa, couch, a few Panadol

Fair enough if you're running your own business and sick leave doesn't exist but in roles like this where it does??!!

Now that there is an epidemic sweeping the globe and any symptom could be deadly which is widely publicised people are suddenly choosing to soldier on

you better believe when I get a bit crook/run down I'll be taking that Covid sick leave all the way to the bank

fmd

 

[1970crow]

So international students from Singapore have a legit better chance at being able to be on the Yorke Peninsula for Xmas than I do, even though that's basically my 'home'

Weird

We can trust people from Singapore to do the right thing. CoVics not so much.

 

[radiojake]

240 Vic cases yesterday

I think that's 5 days in a row under 300

 

[1970crow]

This is honestly amazing

Before Covid 19 weren't people delighted when they got a cold? Sick leave you beauty, stay at home, feet up, still get paid, "Sorry boss... I'm not going to be able to make it in for the rest of the week..."

Netflix, cocoa, couch, a few Panadol

Fair enough if you're running your own business and sick leave doesn't exist but in roles like this where it does??!!

Now that there is an epidemic sweeping the globe and any symptom could be deadly which is widely publicised people are suddenly choosing to soldier on

There's a lot of casuals these days that get their sick and annual leave in advance and don't adequately budget for forced absences. Not that I did any different.

 

[radiojake]

There's a lot of casuals these days that get their sick and annual leave in advance and don't adequately budget for forced absences. Not that I did any different.

Lots of casuals who don't have any kind of leave at all