Craig Cameron says we will be trading. (Merged Delisting/Trading Threads)

[Spluff]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Great, maybe he can join Cotchin out on the Gold Coast, Big Cox.

Given your track record, you'll excuse me if I take your posts with a grain of salt.

 

[peggles]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Correct. C4 is one we should take seriously.




On the other hand be very careful reading Big Cox's posts. Take them with a grain of salt in fact. His "news" is rarely right.

i.e. Nicoski to Richmond: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630716
Jonathon Griffin to Sydney: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=623328
And then there was the thread I can't find about JON where he rubbished us and told all and sundry JON would be a superstar for the Eagles this year.
I think those three things say enough.

exactly, C4 has good credibility whereas big cox is sh!thouse. funny how C4 brought up the vespremi thing earlier and big cox just strolls in and try to make it sound like he's on top of it as well.

 

[peggles]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Yes I have and I know when im on the bench I want to be out there not living it up in the reserves. Im sure Danog got that post from a actual recruiter but you cant read it and tell me it isnt too fluffy even for your liking. I still dont get how a player can like a coaches philosphies yet thats the reason hes not playing.

You also got to ask how much a 40 goal per year forward needs to improve? This isnt Jake King we are talking about here. Deledio aside he is your most naturally talented player. If you dont think there is more to it than meets the eye your naive if not a eternal optimist.

clearly u know nothing about how hardwick runs his team. it's not always about the talent. if a player doesn't perform defensively and doesnt do the 1%ers then he doesn't play seniors, it's as simple as that, not matter if u're a 40 goal forward or not.

 

[TigerTime88]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

In live in the SE suburbs of melbourne.


Gary Ablett is the best player in the competition.


Knights is one of the best players under the age of 23 in the competition, he showed that last year, along with Tippett, was the reason Adelaide got so far in the season.


Morton might be more talented, who cares? Knights delivers, and has had since he was 19 years of age.

Daniel Motlop is more talented than any other bloke in the country, doesn't change the fact he is completely lazy, and rubbish defensively, and a spud when he's not in red hot form once every few years.

Morton and he are peas in a pod.



Your natural goal kicking theorey would ring true, if not for the very reason; he can't make the 22 in a side sitting on the bottom of the ladder, and can't make the transition to the midfield (which Hardwick obviously wants) because a lack of fitness.

And this very thread is about trading him!


Knights is a proven goal kicker when forward and a proven 25 posssession ball winner when he moves in the midfield.

He's basically exactly what Harwick wants Morton to become!


If you think he's worth the same currency as a bloke sitting in your reserves you're kidding yourself.

Mate you are overrating Knights so much. Had a good season kicking 40 goals in a side that went deep into finals. He has to repeat the effort to match Mortons and there is no way if he played 22 games for the Crows this year he would kick 30 goals considering they are now shit.

Now Morton actually kicked 80 over 2 years in a side that won about 25% of there games and playing on the oppositions best defender.

Morton is deinitley a better player IMO and he is not in the VFL due to form but because they want him to be more defensive.

I hope what Danog wrote is spot on because he is a gun when on fire.


As for Vezpremi he kicked 4 goals in his first game I think. Agree maybe throw a 3rd rounder at him, but he is definitley worth that....

 

[dorianyates]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

clearly u know nothing about how hardwick runs his team. it's not always about the talent. if a player doesn't perform defensively and doesnt do the 1%ers then he doesn't play seniors, it's as simple as that, not matter if u're a 40 goal forward or not.

Big Cox is correct when saying that the post from Danog seems strange. Morton would be bitter at not getting a senior game because he is in the Tiger's top 10 players for talent. Hardwick might be doing the right thing in trying to get Morton to develop a bigger tank and stronger work ethic but I'll be annoyed if he trades Morton.

As for Vezpremi, after reading "The Draft" by Emma Quale I'd be happy for the Tigers to trade one of their 2nd round picks for him. Sounds like he has a lot of talent. I'm starting to gain confidence in Richmond's recruiting decisions and if they want Vezpremi he must have some upside.

 

[ize_]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

We better not trade a 2nd rounder for anyone other than a ruckman. No way would I do Morton for Knights. If Morton pulls his finger out he's a star.

I agree, what's with the Knights love? He's not that good at all, even Adelaide supporters realise his limitations. Dreadful kick around the ground. Morton's best is still to come, a big part of our side. He's going to come back from Coburg much improved I reckon.

As for Vezpremi, after reading "The Draft" by Emma Quale I'd be happy for the Tigers to trade one of their 2nd round picks for him. Sounds like he has a lot of talent. I'm starting to gain confidence in Richmond's recruiting decisions and if they want Vezpremi he must have some upside.

Funny, it's after reading this book that I'm not interested at all. I think he has issues above the shoulders, and we all know how well we've handled this kinds of situations over the last 4 years. There's no reason to suggest he can thrive in our environment, except that it's in Melbourne. I wouldn't hate him, but I wouldn't want to give up anything in the first three rounds of the draft. Maybe 4th pick and a player.

Of all the players mentioned so far, only Trengove is attractive. Not keen on Vez, Houli or Knights, and Boak won't happen. Trengove would be a huge steal.

 

[Saturday@2]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

I say that unless we can pick up a Knights/Vespremi type in the Pre-Season Draft for nix, then keep all of our draft picks and put our faith in our (recently beefed up) recruiting staff. We need to take a long term view, not drop back into the folly of picking up others cast offs.

Something for nothing - fine, if not then not interested.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Jeez .. Cameron wasn't lying when he said Richmond would be active and aggresively hunt players.

Here's another one to add to the list: the 'homesick eagle' Mitch Brown.

Wants to come home and wants senior opportunity.

Also being courted by Carlton - ditto Trengove.

 

[TigerTime88]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Is Trengove definitley wanting to come home?

Could be a few decent prospects in the PSD this year.

Although we are not going to give our first rounder and someone like Carlton will have around pick 18-20 which they will give. I think they could be in a greater possie to secure a Trengove type player which is a shame...

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Don't mind Mitch Brown. Thought we could have got him in the draft. That was the J Reiwoldt draft I think so we made the right call for a change at the draft table. Still Brown would be a handy pick up if at value

 

[PHX]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Jeez .. Cameron wasn't lying when he said Richmond would be active and aggresively hunt players.

Here's another one to add to the list: the 'homesick eagle' Mitch Brown.

Wants to come home and wants senior opportunity.

Also being courted by Carlton - ditto Trengove.

Mitch Brown would be very interesting and would be another good option as a tall. Good size and weight to be a bullocking CHB.

Wouldn't be as costly as Trengove either imo.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Is Trengove definitley wanting to come home?

Could be a few decent prospects in the PSD this year.

Although we are not going to give our first rounder and someone like Carlton will have around pick 18-20 which they will give. I think they could be in a greater possie to secure a Trengove type player which is a shame...

In all honesty - I think you're right.

If Trengove does come home (all bias aside) he will most likely end up at Carlton given his family connection (IIRC he was a Blues supporter - and new recruit Kane Lucas currently lives with the Trengoves).

I also think Carlton's draft pick may satisfy Port Adelaide (although if Richmond is active in trading they may aslo receive some picks they could trade off).

Plus Port are right into Sean Hampson/Sam Jacobs - so maybe one of those could be used as part of the trade.

That's not to say it will happen though, just my take on it - and thats not to say that other clubs wouldn't be interested and wouldn't be able to provide a better deal for Jackson.

Richmond are definitely into Trengove though.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Mitch Brown would be very interesting and would be another good option as a tall. Good size and weight to be a bullocking CHB.

Wouldn't be as costly as Trengove either imo.

I think Mitch Brown is a better Forward option, whereas Nathan was more the 'natural' defender.

I could see Mitch Brown (FF/CHF), Ben Griffiths (CHF/FF), Jack (playing as a 3rd tall) and Morton (crumber/small lead up fwd) causing some havoc.

 

[Kyusss]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Anyone whose thinking Chris Knights is Just a player or "Pretty Good"
Is kidding themselves, this kid is a JET OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

Once over his injuries will be right back in the Elite Bracket
their arent too many goal kicking mid/hffs his age id take ahead of him in the comp his an absolute beauty!

 

[TigerTime88]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Anyone whose thinking Chris Knights is Just a player or "Pretty Good"
Is kidding themselves, this kid is a JET OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

Once over his injuries will be right back in the Elite Bracket
their arent too many goal kicking mid/hffs his age id take ahead of him in the comp his an absolute beauty!

You know what if these rumors are all true I think they are doing a great job. The following players have been mentioned:

Chris Knights ..good HFF/Mid...goal kciker
Mitch Brown...Young tall forward with lots of potential
Vezpremi...Talented HFF/FP in the Nathan Brown mould
Trengove...Talent but he will go to Carlton if he comes home for sure


All these players are YOUNG and are talented. It is not like other year where we would go after 24-27 yr olds that are about to hit the downhill...

The question is what would you give for Mitch Brown. First round pick and has shown a bit. I would offer pick 26.

To Port I would offer the same pick plus Kelvin Moore who I know choco is keen on.

Really think we are being active in the right way this year.

If we did get Brown then you would think we would be overstocked with young KP talent for once and we can draft a mid at 4.

 

[PHX]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

In all honesty - I think you're right.

If Trengove does come home (all bias aside) he will most likely end up at Carlton given his family connection (IIRC he was a Blues supporter - and new recruit Kane Lucas currently lives with the Trengoves).

I also think Carlton's draft pick may satisfy Port Adelaide (although if Richmond is active in trading they may aslo receive some picks they could trade off).

Plus Port are right into Sean Hampson/Sam Jacobs - so maybe one of those could be used as part of the trade.

That's not to say it will happen though, just my take on it - and thats not to say that other clubs wouldn't be interested and wouldn't be able to provide a better deal for Jackson.

Richmond are definitely into Trengove though.

Do you know if Jackson Trengove is keen to return to Victoria and why?? Except for the obvious "go home" it is rarely seen as far as I'm aware that a player in only in his 2nd year of football that is getting senior games at his club is in trade talk. Normally it takes until later on.

 

[JimmyRecard]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Trengove would be a massive boost, showed alot more that Vickery thus far... would be more than happpy to have these two rucking for the tigers for the next 10 years!

geez how many good ruckman do Carlton need tho! i would gladly take Jacobs or Warnock if they grab Trengove.

Mitch Brown im undecided on, we have alot of players all viring for the key positions and if he couldnt be sure to take one of them i woulndt over anything of great value.

Knights on the other hand is an absolute gun, better than alll our small forwards, would offer our second round in a heartbeat, but crows wouldnt accept that!

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Do you know if Jackson Trengove is keen to return to Victoria and why?? Except for the obvious "go home" it is rarely seen as far as I'm aware that a player in only in his 2nd year of football that is getting senior games at his club is in trade talk. Normally it takes until later on.

Sorry mate,

But as I've said to people who PM me asking for info about "why player X is unhappy at Club Y" - I can only go by what I've briefly been told (in the cases of Vesz, Knights, Trengove, Boak I've been told "homesick" and thats it).

I should re-iterate that unlike some "rumour monger posters": I don't profess to knowing these boys personally, and therefore I only post what I'm told by reliable sources who have close connections to the club (ie. coterie group members, players etc).

I get inside info from the club side of things - not the players (in this case).

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Adelaide has rushed the pivotal Chris Knights back into its side to play Melbourne on Sunday despite concerns about underdone players already in the team.

Knights suffered a pre-season stress fracture in his left foot and played one game in the SANFL before his recall, joining the likes of Brett Burton, Jason Porplyzia, Bernie Vince and Scott Thompson as players coming off interrupted preparations for 2010.

Senior coach Neil Craig said there was no point second-guessing the decision to recall Knights as the Crows try to gather some kind of momentum after abject defeats in their opening two rounds.

Among all the players on the Crows' list, Knights is among the most important when at his best, offering a long-kicking forward option while tiring opposition defences with his hard tackling and boundless running.

"I watched him play a half last week for Woodville West Torrens and his form was pretty sound," said Craig.

"He's fit, he's healthy, he's fresh, he hasn't played a lot of footy obviously, but that's another one of those category players we've got.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/09/2868470.htm

 

[Spluff]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Knights is an alright player, but he's very limited and I wouldn't give up Morton for him. His only real weapon is his long kicking for goal, which is alright when the players around him are going well allowing him to get some space (like last year when there was Tippett, Porplyzia, Hentschell, and even Burton offering genuine targets) but in our forwardline he wouldn't perform anywhere near as well.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

I'm not sure about moving heaven and earth to try and nab a player who is not best 22 at the Eagles. While Mitch Brown, in theory is good, he could quite easily come over here and be stuck at Coburg behind Riewoldt, Griffiths, Astbury, Post, Morton, Taylor etc.

Trengove I would definately be interested in. While he has been playing ruck for Port he was drafted more as a CHB i think who had the potential to play ruck. In time he should be able to do a job on the big key forwards of the competition and therefore he would be a handy aquisition. Still he is not known to be a good user of the footy and this is where our key backs generally fall short.

 

[ize_]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Can play forward though too. Really wanted him 2 years ago in the draft. As I mentioned before, he is the clear pick of the players mentioned so far. Should look at Geelong and Saints players who may not be getting the game time.

 

[guruisatiger]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

In all honesty - I think you're right.

If Trengove does come home (all bias aside) he will most likely end up at Carlton given his family connection (IIRC he was a Blues supporter - and new recruit Kane Lucas currently lives with the Trengoves).

I also think Carlton's draft pick may satisfy Port Adelaide (although if Richmond is active in trading they may aslo receive some picks they could trade off).

Plus Port are right into Sean Hampson/Sam Jacobs - so maybe one of those could be used as part of the trade.

That's not to say it will happen though, just my take on it - and thats not to say that other clubs wouldn't be interested and wouldn't be able to provide a better deal for Jackson.

Richmond are definitely into Trengove though.

i wonder if carlton will trade hampson to gc 17 for draft pick then use that pick for trengove that way u get to keep jacobs who seems to be a netter rick option ??

 

[guruisatiger]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

In all honesty - I think you're right.

If Trengove does come home (all bias aside) he will most likely end up at Carlton given his family connection (IIRC he was a Blues supporter - and new recruit Kane Lucas currently lives with the Trengoves).

I also think Carlton's draft pick may satisfy Port Adelaide (although if Richmond is active in trading they may aslo receive some picks they could trade off).

Plus Port are right into Sean Hampson/Sam Jacobs - so maybe one of those could be used as part of the trade.

That's not to say it will happen though, just my take on it - and thats not to say that other clubs wouldn't be interested and wouldn't be able to provide a better deal for Jackson.

Richmond are definitely into Trengove though.

i wonder if carlton will trade hampson to gc 17 for draft pick then use that pick for trengove that way u get to keep jacobs who seems to be a better ruck option

 

[tigerT]

Re: Craig Cameron says we will be trading. What would be your strategy?

Knights is an alright player, but he's very limited and I wouldn't give up Morton for him. His only real weapon is his long kicking for goal, which is alright when the players around him are going well allowing him to get some space (like last year when there was Tippett, Porplyzia, Hentschell, and even Burton offering genuine targets) but in our forwardline he wouldn't perform anywhere near as well.

hes a much better player than Morton.