Mega Thread Crows deal for Tippett lands them in hot water?

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CAS79 said:
Amazing a thread using speculation would go around swimming the same points, the same accusations based on speculation and you get the same retorts and it goes around in circles. As that was my first post in this thread im not recycling anything.

I have no clue if the swans knew about the clause, but we sure as hell were not trying to invoke it's terms of a second round pick nor has a single crow suggested we were standing there saying we'll got the courts if you don't honor the agreement. So unless you want to say otherwise the speculation the swans were trying to engage in an illegal deal has not a logic to back up the speculation.
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Who's suggesting you've done something illegal?
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
Unfair to who? He wanted to go to one club and they had to negotiate with Collingwood. Either they meet in the middle and do a deal (which they did) or they dont (and Wellingham has to stay at Collingwood or go into the draft) Whether the other clubs thought it fair or otherwise is irrelevant.

Same for Tippett. Its irrelevant how he prices himself. EXCEPT he was cheating and had a pre-arranged deal which was illegal. Thats the issue, not the shopping around which he was perfectly entiltled to do in normal circumstances.
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The AFL front of house? Who've suggested pick 23 and White were not adequate compensation for a player you're apparently ready to pay as one of your top earners from inconsistent output?...
 
Dagless said:
The AFL front of house? Who've suggested pick 23 and White were not adequate compensation for a player you're apparently ready to pay as one of your top earners from inconsistent output?...
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The AFL smelt a rat.

Have you been reading the papers?

As a general rule the AFL dont give a rats clacker if deals are fair or not. Who are they to judge anyway? Do they seriously think Clinton Young is worth pick 66?
 

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Dagless said:
Who's suggesting you've done something illegal?
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using the word illegal in terms of course as breaking the afl rules quite a few.... and you've certainly implied it

Dagless said:
Tippett on the other hand, priced himself out of the hands of most squads in the trade period itself, which Sydney were willing to accept, but then it looks incredibly fishy when the maximum they were willing to offer was well under market value (And now apparently forcing one of the pieces on the Crows)
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Like I said, No one here was in the negotiations.... bar Faith on the Adelaide board who was there in his dreams of course. So we don't know what happened, so your media speculation is one thing but there is not one shred of evidence or logic suggesting we attempted to invoke the terms of the deal.
 
Gongswan said:
What difference does the price make if you nominate one club to be traded?
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Not a problem perse, other than the disconnect between contract and trade value offered.

As I said, it only becomes an issue when the AFL have jurisdiction over trade value. A jurisdiction that I don't really have a problem with (except that it does restrain trade to some extent).
 
Dagless said:
Not a problem perse, other than the disconnect between contract and trade value offered.

As I said, it only becomes an issue when the AFL have jurisdiction over trade value. A jurisdiction that I don't really have a problem with (except that it does restrain trade to some extent).
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If the deal was deemed to be fair Tippett is still in the same amount of trouble. The problem is the illegal hidden undisclosed contract clauses. The problem is not pick 23 and Jesse White.
 
CAS79 said:
using the word illegal in terms of course as breaking the afl rules quite a few.... and you've certainly implied it



Like I said, No one here was in the negotiations.... bar Faith on the Adelaide board who was there in his dreams of course. So we don't know what happened, so your media speculation is one thing but there is not one shred of evidence or logic suggesting we attempted to invoke the terms of the deal.
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Not quite sure how that quote suggests I said what they did was illegal.

I'm not shying away from the fact that IMO (PS I'm adding this again just to make sure you all realise it's an opinion, simply because it's driven by speculation), they used the knowledge to make it a more acceptable offer for the Crows. Doesn't make it illegal. I don't think they should bear any brunt of any punishment. But I also think it's naive to suggest they didn't try to take advantage of the situation.
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
If the deal was deemed to be fair Tippett is still in the same amount of trouble. The problem is the illegal hidden undisclosed contract clauses. The problem is not pick 23 and Jesse White.
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Agreed that they would still be in trouble - Not the argument I was making though.
(Which is about how the deal compares with what Wellingham did to ensure a trade to WC happened)
 
Dagless said:
Not quite sure how that quote suggests I said what they did was illegal.

I'm not shying away from the fact that IMO (PS I'm adding this again just to make sure you all realise it's an opinion, simply because it's driven by speculation), they used the knowledge to make it a more acceptable offer for the Crows. Doesn't make it illegal. I don't think they should bear any brunt of any punishment. But I also think it's naive to suggest they didn't try to take advantage of the situation.
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The situation we took advantage of was that we were the marketplace and the marketplace sets value, going forward into the draft the marketplace changes, so a different approach will be necessary
 
Timmy from Thomastown said:
I've already addressed that point. Whether a deal is fair or not is a matter for the two dealing clubs to determine, nobody else.
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That's, unfortunately, not how the current AFL trading system works though.
Dagless said:
Not a problem perse, other than the disconnect between contract and trade value offered.

As I said, it only becomes an issue when the AFL have jurisdiction over trade value.
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pernorkle said:
Ask any Adelaide fan how Tippett played against Sydney in the second semi, then amazingly became a world beater against Hawthorn. What would have happened if the Crows played in the GF against Sydney? I wonder if Tippett would have bothered to compete in that game?
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AND...let's not forget his hand in global warming.
 
pernorkle said:
As must be Sydneys opinion of him by offering a guy who has never been rated in the top 50 AFL players, and never made the clubs top 10, $1mill/year.

How must the likes of Goodes (a club legend and future HOF), O'Keefe, Kennedy et al feel about this over priced numpty walking in to their club?

I personally think having Tippett in your side will erode the beloved bloods culture. I certainly wouldn't want him anywhere near my club. He's clearly a mercenary, with no care about club culture. I'm happy to offload him at any cost - because he's been stunting the development of McKernan and now Jenkins for years. The one lesson EVERY club should learn from this is if you have a player who really doesn't fit in to the culture and want to be there, then get him out ASAP.

It begs the question again that all this free agency and obvious 'tapping up' of players whilst still in contract will inevitably cause the opportunity for fixing games.

Ask any Adelaide fan how Tippett played against Sydney in the second semi, then amazingly became a world beater against Hawthorn. What would have happened if the Crows played in the GF against Sydney? I wonder if Tippett would have bothered to compete in that game?
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If performing poorly for the crows against the swans in the final is a crime, better investigate about 16 others
 
Gongswan said:
Next there will be accusations of a Hawks betting scandal on the GF, with claims the Hawks players tanked to win big at the TAB or with Tom W
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Stubbed my toe earlier i blamed tippett
 
pernorkle said:
I am NOT blaming Tippett for his poor form or the losses. The fact remains the potential is there for fixing.
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That is not what you posted.
You said "ask any Adelaide fan...." and as an Adelaide fan then proposed all Adelaide fans think Tippett threw that game and would have done so had the Crows made the GF.
I am sure that Adelaide fans are embarassed by you and would like you to get your hand off your namesake.

Slippery slope to imply the Swans offer incentivised Tippett to throw a game or that Tippett indeed did.

Personally I blame Dangerfield. The fastest man in the AFL. Winner of two, not one mind you, but two GF sprints and easily run down and tackled by Lewis Jetta. Let's also not talk about when Jude Bolton ran him down at the SCG this year either. FAKER!
 

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