Doubt the players think that way especially as this one will be on the public record.
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Doubt the players think that way especially as this one will be on the public record.
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Very true.
The AFL will be very keen to ensure GWS are only priced out on a like for like deal.
For example, if he's given a massive 1-2 year deal by the swans, I think the AFL will make sure the next contract is similar in size, or else it's obvious some of the first contract evens out the second.
There is no problem with front-loading, except it has to done in the one contract available to all teams to consider.
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Didn't say they did, probably don't mind someone getting more to come across provided they perform, if we land Tippett pressure is on, he needs to be a lot more consistent and dominant
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Wonder if Tippett just puts a 4 year deal on his head, if he is going to gws he is probably stuck there anyway may as well get a nice four year deal
You mean we're not the AFL's love child anymore? How distressing
TBH, I think it's just GWS drumming up free publicity, over 4 years, with a developing squad, do they want to be locked into huge deals at this point
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They just want bums on seats and to be relevant they wont care how probably
Yeah good response mate, your spot on.
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With GWS having extra salary cap and a COL allowance it's going to be hard for Sydney to price Tippett out of the market if the Giants want him.
In saying that he can't lose, either way he ends up in the state of his birth (if that was a genuine reason for wanting to leave the Crows)
In saying that he can't lose, either way he ends up in the state of his birth (if that was a genuine reason for wanting to leave the Crows)
Cannot under any circumstances agree that Tippett is a Merc. I would say more along the lines of an Alfa...looks great and occasionally drives very well but more often than not just goes.
Tippett is not in the best top 10 forwards off the top of my head. He is being bandied about as elite cause he is being paid an elite players salary. That however stems from years back when he was paid on potential. Certainly yet to deliver on it. He would be a great addition to a side...but he is not a Merc (elite)!
Tippett is not in the best top 10 forwards off the top of my head. He is being bandied about as elite cause he is being paid an elite players salary. That however stems from years back when he was paid on potential. Certainly yet to deliver on it. He would be a great addition to a side...but he is not a Merc (elite)!
You nominate money over years in the draft, that's all that has to be met. You can't nominate 3.5 million over 2 years with another 2 year at $200k if drafted by the Swans but just the first 2 if not.
He's gone, along with your depth and your Col most likely. Trade period from hell for the Swans and Crows this year.
Oh and feel free to retort with some childish remark about GF. I'd love to hear it.
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god i hope he ends up in GWS... they'll be a pretty strong squad next year if they take him. Israel Folau... will certainly be surplus to requirements mind you... think of the list of talent he'll have to work past to get a gig. Might have to work his trade down back. Crazy enough to work.
These blokes are gone, we still have a premiership winning list, Tippett or not. You have bunch of over rated flogs who couldn't get past a Canadian rugby player. The COL is not gone and won't be, get used to it, just because a few dim bulbs are resentful doesn't change things for teh AFL. Tippett isn't gone until he's gone. I doubt GWS can committ big money for 4 years, their larger concessions dry up and to retain their young players, they will have to pay overs. Suck up your tears and move on
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I think Tippett would be smarter if he put a 1 yr contract and a big salary as he enters the draft. Sends a clear signal to every club that "hey I know I need to obey the rules of the draft but in my heart I want to be at Sydney and I'll be trying to get there in 12 months time if you pick me". That would immediately scare off the GWS/GC who will want a long term player with a long term commitment. Hard to see any others biting and he gets through to the Swans.
While it's not necessarily in the spirit of the draft it is within the rules and will get Tippett want he wants and the same for the Swans.... if they still want him.
While it's not necessarily in the spirit of the draft it is within the rules and will get Tippett want he wants and the same for the Swans.... if they still want him.
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Yeah, well the Suns had no trouble affording Ablett on multi million (10) over 5 years and all the other recycled players and a host of the best young talent...
Must nominate a 2 year minimum.
Nah, we'll be fine. Thanks for your concern, though.
Let's look at the history of what was said publicly by each party:
Oct 7 (The "Understanding")
Tippett's management confirmed that an understanding"exists between the parties for the 104-game forward to be traded to the club of his choice.
When asked about the reported clause in Tippett's last contract, that he could be traded to the club of his choice for a second-round draft pick, Peter Blucher, of Velocity Sports, said: ''There is an understanding between the parties, they would help get him to the club of his choice.''
Swans chief executive Andrew Ireland told The Sunday Age the deal between Tippett and the Crows was an understanding and not contractually binding. But he did not know what the Crows would ask for.
''We will find out what all that means when we start to talk to them,'' he said.
''His management, Kurt and his father are confident the commitment was given to wherever he wanted to go. All I can say is we have a reputation, when we traded for players in the past, for not being silly and to get the deal done.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sydney-closes-in-on-tippett-deal-20121006-276dh.html#ixzz2AgtjrjNd
Oct 8 (No Agreement in the Contract)
Both the AFL football operations chief Adrian Anderson and Swans chief executive Andrew Ireland are dismissing the so-called "gentleman's agreement" between the Crows and Tippett.
"People keep talking about that agreement," said Ireland, "but I can't see any agreement in his contract that (Kurt) has to be traded for a certain amount.
Read more: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ing-trade-period/story-e6frepex-1226490108956
Oct 11 (Crows Play Ball)
Adelaide has rejected the thought of redrafting Tippett, 25, to thwart the Swans.
"If Kurt does not want to be here, we don't want him here," said Crows football chief Phil Harper last night.
Sydney chief executive Andrew Ireland and Adelaide list manager David Noble described yesterday talks as "the most positive we have been able to have".
But neither was prepared to put on public record how the trade is unfolding.
"That's because what is correct now could be false later," said Ireland. "But we are still confident we will reach a resolution both clubs will be happy with."
Noble added: "We're certainly moving in the right direction. We're optimistic (on a trade)."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/sy...ard-kurt-tippett/story-fnfll94y-1226493822457
Oct 18 (Just need the Coaches Sign off)
Swans boss Andrew Ireland said the negotiations to bring Tippett, a star forward, to the harbour city were progressing well.
"We think it's getting closer and hope there is some news by the end of the week," he said.
"David Noble (Crows list manager) and Kinnear Beatson (Swans list manager) have been working through the issues and there are some things that need to be ticked off.
"Brenton Sanderson arrives back in Adelaide tomorrow and that will allow some of the things that need to be finalised to be done."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...en-a-giant-start/story-e6frexx0-1226498107870
Oct 25 (It hits the fan)
Swans have the Crows over a barrel. Tippett wants to go to Sydney, no one else has entered talks. Sydney play hard ball. It's a deal or the PSD. Crows fold and take the pick and White, but then the the Coach doesn't want him. The Crows hierarchy knows of the secret deal, but have kept Sanderson in the dark. Blood and guts split behind the scenes at Crowland (my speculation). Crows confess.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-tippett-caught-in-200000-rort-20121025-287t7.html
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...probe-secret-tippett-deal-20121026-28a1z.html
So here's my version of events from the Swan's perspective from piecing it together:
Swans are lead to believe by Tippett's management that a gentlemen's agreement exists. They can't find anything in his contract but the Crows are playing ball. Happy days! White wants to seek other other opportunities. It looks like the Crows will take him.... down to Sanderson when he gets back. It's all goes **** up. Nice one Crows, but we'll take him if we can still get him.
Oct 7 (The "Understanding")
Tippett's management confirmed that an understanding"exists between the parties for the 104-game forward to be traded to the club of his choice.
When asked about the reported clause in Tippett's last contract, that he could be traded to the club of his choice for a second-round draft pick, Peter Blucher, of Velocity Sports, said: ''There is an understanding between the parties, they would help get him to the club of his choice.''
Swans chief executive Andrew Ireland told The Sunday Age the deal between Tippett and the Crows was an understanding and not contractually binding. But he did not know what the Crows would ask for.
''We will find out what all that means when we start to talk to them,'' he said.
''His management, Kurt and his father are confident the commitment was given to wherever he wanted to go. All I can say is we have a reputation, when we traded for players in the past, for not being silly and to get the deal done.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/sydney-closes-in-on-tippett-deal-20121006-276dh.html#ixzz2AgtjrjNd
Oct 8 (No Agreement in the Contract)
Both the AFL football operations chief Adrian Anderson and Swans chief executive Andrew Ireland are dismissing the so-called "gentleman's agreement" between the Crows and Tippett.
"People keep talking about that agreement," said Ireland, "but I can't see any agreement in his contract that (Kurt) has to be traded for a certain amount.
Read more: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...ing-trade-period/story-e6frepex-1226490108956
Oct 11 (Crows Play Ball)
Adelaide has rejected the thought of redrafting Tippett, 25, to thwart the Swans.
"If Kurt does not want to be here, we don't want him here," said Crows football chief Phil Harper last night.
Sydney chief executive Andrew Ireland and Adelaide list manager David Noble described yesterday talks as "the most positive we have been able to have".
But neither was prepared to put on public record how the trade is unfolding.
"That's because what is correct now could be false later," said Ireland. "But we are still confident we will reach a resolution both clubs will be happy with."
Noble added: "We're certainly moving in the right direction. We're optimistic (on a trade)."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/sy...ard-kurt-tippett/story-fnfll94y-1226493822457
Oct 18 (Just need the Coaches Sign off)
Swans boss Andrew Ireland said the negotiations to bring Tippett, a star forward, to the harbour city were progressing well.
"We think it's getting closer and hope there is some news by the end of the week," he said.
"David Noble (Crows list manager) and Kinnear Beatson (Swans list manager) have been working through the issues and there are some things that need to be ticked off.
"Brenton Sanderson arrives back in Adelaide tomorrow and that will allow some of the things that need to be finalised to be done."
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...en-a-giant-start/story-e6frexx0-1226498107870
Oct 25 (It hits the fan)
Swans have the Crows over a barrel. Tippett wants to go to Sydney, no one else has entered talks. Sydney play hard ball. It's a deal or the PSD. Crows fold and take the pick and White, but then the the Coach doesn't want him. The Crows hierarchy knows of the secret deal, but have kept Sanderson in the dark. Blood and guts split behind the scenes at Crowland (my speculation). Crows confess.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-tippett-caught-in-200000-rort-20121025-287t7.html
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...probe-secret-tippett-deal-20121026-28a1z.html
So here's my version of events from the Swan's perspective from piecing it together:
Swans are lead to believe by Tippett's management that a gentlemen's agreement exists. They can't find anything in his contract but the Crows are playing ball. Happy days! White wants to seek other other opportunities. It looks like the Crows will take him.... down to Sanderson when he gets back. It's all goes **** up. Nice one Crows, but we'll take him if we can still get him.
Always happy to comment on your team choking against a team that no one rated aa even a top 4 chance
He just had to brace himself for it so it hurts less. So transparent.
I'm not sure he'll do this. If I were 1 concussion away from a forced retirement, i'd be locking away the longest deal I could.
Guess it beats addressing the actual subject of the thread,which is that you've had a pretty bad trade period having weakened your squad and brought on a review of your massive salary advantage, all for a player your now not getting.
Dont embarass the Hawthorn fans that are doing the hard yards making a genuine effort at finding excuses and attracting sympathy, whilst attempting to drum up support for some AREA 51 style afl conspiracy theories.
About as soft and pathetic a response as i've seen in awhile. Perhaps consult others how to go about it in future.
Bloody amateurs.
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