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Crows Result: An Inconvenient Truth
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He may be gold running around with Sandilands or some other log chasing him but would be a over-rating him a bit as a ruck rover. Give it a try next week though.
Nothing wrong with Cox, nor Woosher's handling of him.
He was good against Brisbane last week and good against Adelaide yesterday.
Don't fiddle with his game. He's one of the best ruckmen in the business and has the beautiful talent of slipping forward or backward, outside of his ruck duties, into manufactured space.
It's amazing how many possessions he picks up by being in the right spot at the right time.
Adelaide were hot, hot, hot yesterday, at home. I think they would have beaten most teams in the comp by ten goals and Geelong by ten points, yesterday.
Their new summer plan clicked into shape perfectly… a new emphasis on attack, a much faster movement forward. They tried it last week, against the bulldogs, but left their defensive game in the locker room. This week, they tweaked the formula perfectly. With a lightening start in the first quarter, and always peaking in the last, they combined a blistering attack with a dour defence.
But back to West Coast. Brisbane will be the big improvers this year... they are Brown-dependent but they are slowly building a team that will shock many in the last quarter. It was to West Coast's credit, last week, that the Eagles regained the lead in the third quarter and held on for a victory in the last.
The big question, and perhaps the only question for West Coast, is the use of Wirrpanda – forward or back. He's clinically clean at both ends. He holds up the structure at both ends. It's a pity you don't have two of him.
Worsfold has to decide one way or the other, one end or another for Wirrpanda, and stick with his decision in order to force other players into an assumption of responsibility they are currently reluctant to carry.
Ashley Hansen, for example, has been disappointing two weeks in a row. He's more important to this team that he is ready to believe. He must stand up. He must begin to think that he is the key to the forward structure and play accordingly. I watched him last week and this week shrug his shoulders when the ball wasn't delivered to perfection. He should save that sort of body language for the gym, unless he wants to become a new version of Richo.
Daniel Kerr, a fine player, is not equipped to become the Saviour. Before, when he was one of three saviours in this team, he was dynamite. I'd get him out of the centre and force others into that vacuum for the sake of team maturity. West Coast has to move on from three champions all playing at once, to a more even distribution of opportunity and responsibility in the juniors. The Cox>Kerr>Priddis movement out of the centree is a beautiful strategy on paper and many games will start this way, but the other fifteen coaches in the league will get on top of it very quickly.
If I was Worsfold, and I know that I am not, I would use Daniel Kerr as a bench-hitter, sending him to all parts of the ground as the moment arose... and that means defence, forward pocket, midfield, on ball. I'd run my rival coaches ragged trying to keep up with my use of Kerr. Keep those coaches guessing. Don't create any readable structure that's dependent upon Kerr's first use of the ball.
This would require some courage, to start a game with Captain Kerr on the bench. But it would immediatelyt f•••up the visiting coach's week of planning.
And I'd keep Quentin Lynch closer to the goal line. Last week, against Brisbane, he was leading far too far from the sticks. He has the true kick. Hansen is the one who should stay with Lynch close to goal and then make the long leads to drag the backmen out and open up the space for a Lynch short lead. And, in the last quarter, Cox stays planted in the goalsquare as often as he can.
That was a sure flogging, yesterday, West Coast campers... but it was an aberration. You will win more games at home this year than you lose and you will still pick up handy wins on the road. You are top eight material. I mean, you beat Brisbane who then beat Collingwood who were the best team last year, outside of the grand final.
Adelaide fell into something resembling perfection yesterday. There's nothing in that team which suggests that they can sustain it. Port, for example, humiliated by Sydney in a pathetic game today, may whip themselves back into shape by trawling Adelaide next week.
Two games. Twenty to go.
The harder the loss, the more you learn.
He was good against Brisbane last week and good against Adelaide yesterday.
Don't fiddle with his game. He's one of the best ruckmen in the business and has the beautiful talent of slipping forward or backward, outside of his ruck duties, into manufactured space.
It's amazing how many possessions he picks up by being in the right spot at the right time.
Adelaide were hot, hot, hot yesterday, at home. I think they would have beaten most teams in the comp by ten goals and Geelong by ten points, yesterday.
Their new summer plan clicked into shape perfectly… a new emphasis on attack, a much faster movement forward. They tried it last week, against the bulldogs, but left their defensive game in the locker room. This week, they tweaked the formula perfectly. With a lightening start in the first quarter, and always peaking in the last, they combined a blistering attack with a dour defence.
But back to West Coast. Brisbane will be the big improvers this year... they are Brown-dependent but they are slowly building a team that will shock many in the last quarter. It was to West Coast's credit, last week, that the Eagles regained the lead in the third quarter and held on for a victory in the last.
The big question, and perhaps the only question for West Coast, is the use of Wirrpanda – forward or back. He's clinically clean at both ends. He holds up the structure at both ends. It's a pity you don't have two of him.
Worsfold has to decide one way or the other, one end or another for Wirrpanda, and stick with his decision in order to force other players into an assumption of responsibility they are currently reluctant to carry.
Ashley Hansen, for example, has been disappointing two weeks in a row. He's more important to this team that he is ready to believe. He must stand up. He must begin to think that he is the key to the forward structure and play accordingly. I watched him last week and this week shrug his shoulders when the ball wasn't delivered to perfection. He should save that sort of body language for the gym, unless he wants to become a new version of Richo.
Daniel Kerr, a fine player, is not equipped to become the Saviour. Before, when he was one of three saviours in this team, he was dynamite. I'd get him out of the centre and force others into that vacuum for the sake of team maturity. West Coast has to move on from three champions all playing at once, to a more even distribution of opportunity and responsibility in the juniors. The Cox>Kerr>Priddis movement out of the centree is a beautiful strategy on paper and many games will start this way, but the other fifteen coaches in the league will get on top of it very quickly.
If I was Worsfold, and I know that I am not, I would use Daniel Kerr as a bench-hitter, sending him to all parts of the ground as the moment arose... and that means defence, forward pocket, midfield, on ball. I'd run my rival coaches ragged trying to keep up with my use of Kerr. Keep those coaches guessing. Don't create any readable structure that's dependent upon Kerr's first use of the ball.
This would require some courage, to start a game with Captain Kerr on the bench. But it would immediatelyt f•••up the visiting coach's week of planning.
And I'd keep Quentin Lynch closer to the goal line. Last week, against Brisbane, he was leading far too far from the sticks. He has the true kick. Hansen is the one who should stay with Lynch close to goal and then make the long leads to drag the backmen out and open up the space for a Lynch short lead. And, in the last quarter, Cox stays planted in the goalsquare as often as he can.
That was a sure flogging, yesterday, West Coast campers... but it was an aberration. You will win more games at home this year than you lose and you will still pick up handy wins on the road. You are top eight material. I mean, you beat Brisbane who then beat Collingwood who were the best team last year, outside of the grand final.
Adelaide fell into something resembling perfection yesterday. There's nothing in that team which suggests that they can sustain it. Port, for example, humiliated by Sydney in a pathetic game today, may whip themselves back into shape by trawling Adelaide next week.
Two games. Twenty to go.
The harder the loss, the more you learn.
I agree with the OP. I don't think it's being negative either, i'm a realist and can see what we have lost will make a huge differance to our structure and skill level, sometimes people don't wish to see reality.
Definite truths there but it's just one game. If it continues then we can start worrying more.
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Yeah we were very good in that term. However Brisbane were still at the airport then - had we played them this week I believe it would've been different.
I also find it slightly alarming that we have had only 2 winning quarters from 8 so far and have had 3 terms with 5 or more goals kicked against us.
Even though we have played Brisbane and Adelaide, whom will both likely figure in the makeup of the top 8 - the only team that has scored less than us is Melbourne whom seem to be content this season with winning the Cousins cup.
Our forwards have always been stagnant. Saturday highlighted a big loss for the Eagles - Rowan Jones. OK, his skills weren't the best, but he'd run all day, and you could GUARANTEE that he'd never stop providing a lead.
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Al Gore predicts WC melt down; the truth is going to hurt early this season.
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Today's result shows an insight to what may end up being a somewhat disappointing season.
Enough of the tubthumping about being ok without Cousins and Judd - let's get to the honest truth; our midfield is slow this year and lacks skill in its disposal. Each of Embley, Steglein, Braun and Fletcher are past their peak and will only deteriorate in their endurance and consistency.
We waste time in the centre overusing the ball because we still have no organisational setup in our forward line which just causes congestion and allows opposition backmen to outnumber us at every forward contest which takes our big men out the game as they are easily beaten to the ground ball.
With our big men ineffective, we are then unable to kick high scores if our midfield doesn't get forward and kick the majority of them. However with the midfield brigade lacking in pace and being unable to hit targets - we can't expect it to occur all too often this season.
With the combined inputs of our midfield being slower to get up the ground and not kicking to the advantage of our forwards, and our forwards being unable to compete for the ground ball and man their opponents effectively - the opposition can effectively build a wall across half back and launch waves of counterattacks against us before our defense has time to effectively man up.
As a result of this it becomes very hard for us to attack quickly off half back ourselves, as our backmen become weary of running off their men offensively should it come back quickly the other way, which ironically gives the opposition more space through the middle of the ground to get it in quickly when they are on the counter.
Additionally this also provides the opposition with higher percentage scoring chances as they are mostly from the central corridor (Adelaide 21.7 today with almost all their goals from with 45 degree of centre; conversely the majority of our chances were from greater than 45 degrees angle to the goals).
Another worrying trend that seems to be emerging is being unable to contain an opposition forward if they are having a good day. If you include the final preseason match with near full strength squad against Essendon then bags of 6, 6 and 7 have been gained by individual players against us in the past three games. Many of our defenders seem lost at times without the midfield help that they have had in previous seasons and it is now being exploited.
We have to be honest with ourselves and admit that we are no longer one of the highflyers of the competition challenging for premierships, but now are just a decent side that can be very good on its day.
We only have three players that seem capable of winning contests in the middle: Cox, Kerr and Priddis - each of the others is either ineffective or inconsistant, and we can't keep all three on all game unfortunately.
The youngsters coming through whilst they may in time be very good are not going to be the saviours that some have been touting this season - they need to be given time to develop.
It's not just Cousins and Judd being missed - its Chick's aggression and tagging on players like McCleod or Johncock, RoJo's workrate off the ball to keep the opposition honest and even Banfield's ability as a second tagger in the centre if needed - none of those voids have been filled adequately as of yet.
To gain anything from this season we will have completely restructure the way we play, otherwise other teams whom have watched this will just play the same tactic to gain similar results.
Less big men up forward - Lynch, Kennedy each one out and Hansen playing up the ground and then have one or two crumbers hanging around the 50 arc running forward towards contests when it comes in to take the spoils - get the congestion out of there.
Play Cox as an onballer and Seaby as the ruckman - we don't have enough quality through the centre and Cox is absolute gold.
Stack the backline - I know, I know, its ugly and its not our style - but if we are not winning the middle and the backline is under the pump and we have players up forward whom are just bring more opponents to our big men and not much else, then why not put them down at half back to help get it out of defensive 50 easier and also congest the leads of opposition marking forwards?
Sorry about the long post - as you know its been a long day; IMO today is worse than the debacle against Port last year - at least we were injured then and Port were a top team headed for a final.
Today we had a good list to choose from and this was the result from a side that most had tipped to struggle to make the top eight.
Woosha never play two debutants in the same game again - we average a 14 goal loss whenever that happens
Sorry I was reading back on some old threads from this sason and I had to bump this. The OP which I have quoted turned out to be almost entirely right so whoever you are well done.
i would too!
Lol.
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