Analysis Cuts to Senior List Sizes

[Baygirl1977]

Afl has just released pay cuts ,


AFL player agents were briefed early on Wednesday afternoon regarding the changes.

Sources with knowledge of negotiations believe this deal is a win for players, who at one stage were facing a 15 to 20 per cent cut in salaries.

As first reported by foxfooty.com.au last Thursday, clubs will only be required to select a minimum of one player in December’s national draft, down from three.

Change in List Size numbers

2020 Total List Sizes: 38-47 | 2021 Total List Sizes: 37-44

2020 Primary List: 38-40 | 2021 Primary List: 36-38

2020 Cat A Rookies: 0-6 | 2021 Cat A Rookies: 0-6

2020 Cat B Rookies: 0-3 | 2021 Cat B Rookies: 0-2

 

[footyfan1978]

I like that idea except if you have a Key f/d player out for only a month and your only backups are a developing youngster or a mature player on the inactive list who can slot in better. Also clubs with many short term injuries with players will be very disadvantaged.

Yeah, I am not a fan of it from actual playing side as a football fan but I fear Chris Pelchen was talking from understanding the AFL likely stance of where they would like to head in terms of control of club finances and ease of flow of player movement for players themselves. If players on fringes can move more freely in season between clubs the players association and league probably find it easier. As a football fan though, I prefer to see players and clubs be able to be at one club and truly develop and play in reserves team before getting to senior level which was the more traditional club set up when it was not regulated as an a professional industry/business model so much. When it it run more like a business than a sport sadly some good things for the sport as a fan go in the process and fear Pelchen is speaking from know how rather than making it up from thin air.

 

[eastfreo75]

Which clubs have 3 cat b rookies?

But I almost don’t even count cat b as part of the list sizes, they are slightly gimmicky

lists sizes restrictions will be More around senior lists and cat a rookies (Hence why I said currently 44 max atm between senior list and cat a Which will decrease after list reductions)

Fremantle did last season.

Possibly that might happen next year as well if rules allow it.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Fremantle did last season.

Possibly that might happen next year as well if rules allow it.

Yeah I think cat b rookies will be exempt to any list cuts

 

[eastfreo75]

Yeah I think cat b rookies will be exempt to any list cuts

I hope so.

Giving young Kimberly first nations chances is extremely important.

They might not make it but the opportunity to gain education can be life changing.

 

[The Nostradamus]

So final list lodgement before the draft is Nov 27 to be able to know how many you can select at the draft in dec

so they have 12 days max to finalise list size and cap size - really leaving it to the last minute

 

[perplexed]

First list lodgement is this Friday and still no confirmation of numbers from the AFL. Is it really this difficult?

 

[Lore]

First list lodgement is this Friday and still no confirmation of numbers from the AFL. Is it really this difficult?

Bargaining chip for something else I suppose

 

[Suma Magic]

First list lodgement is this Friday and still no confirmation of numbers from the AFL. Is it really this difficult?

It’s been delayed:

“An announcement on the salary cap is expected either late this week or early next week. The AFL has consequently delayed by a week the first list lodgement by clubs to the AFL that was due to have been this Friday.

The list lodgement includes salary cap projections for next year so it would have been futile to request salary cap projections days before a revised salary cap and list size is confirmed.”

No second trade period this year

www.google.com.au

 

[Demon in Hell]

First list lodgement is this Friday and still no confirmation of numbers from the AFL. Is it really this difficult?

To be fair, I don't think the AFL is at fault here. I'd bet my bottom dollar this is being held up by the Players Association.

 

[Hamingja]

It’s been delayed:

“An announcement on the salary cap is expected either late this week or early next week. The AFL has consequently delayed by a week the first list lodgement by clubs to the AFL that was due to have been this Friday.

The list lodgement includes salary cap projections for next year so it would have been futile to request salary cap projections days before a revised salary cap and list size is confirmed.”

No second trade period this year

www.google.com.au

List size is probably not that hard to manage as the last few players on the list are essentially on peanuts anyway. It just leaves some fringe players in limbo.

What the hell happens though if the AFL drop the cap and you end up over and can't trade contracted players out because the trade period has already finished.

 

[Northernsoul74]

List size is probably not that hard to manage as the last few players on the list are essentially on peanuts anyway. It just leaves some fringe players in limbo.

What the hell happens though if the AFL drop the cap and you end up over and can't trade contracted players out because the trade period has already finished.

I assume everyone’s wages just drop buy the same % across the list as the salary cap reduction ie everyone reduces 10%. Interesting if this would count for draftee/rookie contracts.

 

[Lore]

I assume everyone’s wages just drop buy the same % across the list as the salary cap reduction ie everyone reduces 10%. Interesting if this would count for draftee/rookie contracts.

I don't know where I read it but apparently the AFLPA doesn't want to write in a set percentage drop across the competition, and on top of that draftees won't have a wage drop since it's already the lowest salary in the league barring rookies.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I assume everyone’s wages just drop buy the same % across the list as the salary cap reduction ie everyone reduces 10%. Interesting if this would count for draftee/rookie contracts.

I don't know where I read it but apparently the AFLPA doesn't want to write in a set percentage drop across the competition, and on top of that draftees won't have a wage drop since it's already the lowest salary in the league barring rookies.

If players don't agree to a salary reduction, it will be a night mare for clubs.

Report: AFL’s list and salary cuts revealed as trade deadline approaches

Report: AFL’s list and salary cuts revealed as trade deadline approaches

www.foxsports.com.au

In terms of salary cap cuts, the report suggests a cut of roughly 10 per cent is in store, with one per cent of that applying to retirement funds.

It’s also suggested the AFL is likely to leave the application of the cuts to clubs, rather than imposing a flat reduction rate across the competition, something that has irked clubs who will have to renegotiate contracts.

AFL close to list size cuts as end of trades looms

AFL club lists sizes will be cut to a minimum of 37 and a maximum of 44 players - including all rookies – next year.

www.theage.com.au

The AFL is likely to hand responsibility for applying the cut to player contracts to clubs and will not mandate the reduction as a flat across the board percentage.

This idea has angered clubs who believe it now opens up weeks and months of pain and renegotiation of contracts with players and player agents at a time when staffing at clubs has been slashed with the soft cap reduced clubs.

There is discussion about whether first and second year players will be quarantined from the cuts.

The maximum number of primary listed players on club lists will drop to between 36 and 38 down from 38 to 40 now.

 

[Suma Magic]

It seems like it would make sense for a uniform approach. Seems crazy to agree to a number but then not get the AFLPA and the league to agree how it’s applied.

 

[THE_GUN]

I don't know where I read it but apparently the AFLPA doesn't want to write in a set percentage drop across the competition, and on top of that draftees won't have a wage drop since it's already the lowest salary in the league barring rookies.

Well that is just crazy from the AFLPA

not sure what they are getting but would highly doubt it would be less than $85,000 and after tax would probably only be $100 a week difference
I would have thought the AFLPA would be fighting to keep list sizes the same as it would most likely save the jobs of a couple of players per team

 

[The Nostradamus]

Honestly I was expecting more drastic cuts
North had 45 on its list this year and can still do so next year with essentially just 1 less spot to the max 44

instead of our 40 and 5 rookies that we had this year
we can now do 38 and 6 next year

not much difference at all

 

[blueiris]

The 3.5 % salary cap lose is a massive winner for the players

 

[juddy_Like]

I still don’t know what’s the point of a rookie list?

I get cat b (which IMO should be the rookie list) but why have a seperate list for players on one year contracts?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The 3.5 % salary cap lose is a massive winner for the players

Dont know how the players got away with that when the soft cap came down so much.

 

[Stamos]

Dont know how the players got away with that when the soft cap came down so much.

A lot of that is due to Covid being an excuse (however justified) for the AFL to cut what they have seen as bloated football departments.
It's in part an ideological decision, not only a practical one.

They would find it a lot harder to cut players/their contracts. Especially when they rejected the AFLPA proposal to have players earn a percentage of revenue only last year.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Does the list size apply to gc also?

surely that ridiculous concession is gone

 

[Lore]

Does the list size apply to gc also?

surely that ridiculous concession is gone

GC has pro-rata cuts.

 

[Giant Strides]

GC has pro-rata cuts.

Have those been stated anywhere?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I still don’t know what’s the point of a rookie list?

I get cat b (which IMO should be the rookie list) but why have a seperate list for players on one year contracts?

Has its place for the lesser 18 year olds and mature agers who aren’t worth a 2 year deal when drafted. For example Carlton delisted Fraser Phillips today after only one year in the system, the rookie list gave us the flexibility to do that.

Should be a 3 year deal for first rounders, 2 year deal for second rounders and 1 year deals with an option for 2 for anyone selected third round or later, IMO.