Confirmed Daniel Rioli - Traded with picks 51, 61, 70 & 76 to GC for picks 6 & 26

[Gavin Excell]

Pretty much every neutral fan in this thread thinks it is.

I guess time will tell.

Only time will tell if this statement stands the test of time

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Pretty much every neutral fan in this thread thinks it is.

I guess time will tell.

It will be 2x 1st rounders

 

[The Goon]

Pick 13 isn't maximum value

Pretty sure we'll hold out for 6, and unless a player we really like is involved I'm also pretty sure GC will pay that. Picks might go back, salary might be involved etc, but at the end of they day he's contracted and has been targeted. You always pay a premium above a players actual value in that situation.

 

[dean33]

Pretty much every neutral fan in this thread thinks it is.

I guess time will tell.

If you think we’ll be accepting pick 13 without pick 7 you are sadly mistaken. This will take an extraordinary deal from the suns to make happen.

 

[Danog]

Because you want picks for your rebuild? Same reason you'll let Bolton go. Get maximum value for players that want to leave.

It's not getting "rid" of him as much as moving on a player that wants to leave.

You said it yourself. If we don't get maximum value, we hold them to their contracts. Simple.

 

[Danog]

Can see the trade being 6 + 20 for Rioli plus Richmond paying $500k salary for 2-3 years.

If Bolton goes for 9 + 10, and Lombard is still on the board at 9 on draft night, can see us live trading 10 + 39 for 13 + 26. Allows GC to get a pick in before they have to match Lombard bid, and Richmond get another pick inside top 30.

 

[Freomaniac]

So Rioli, Bolton and baker all leaving Richmond in the same off season....

 

[mrposhman]

Just read back the last few pages.

So every opposition fan (who I'm not sure have seen Rioli play, certainly not as much as RFC fans - seems like its RFC were crap so that means all players are crap) thinks he's worth a mid teens pick, but there a couple of things to play out here.

1 - This trade is totally different to Bolton / Baker. There is no go home factor here, its a preference of where to play. Out of all the deals, expect this to be the one that the Tiges dig their heals in over
2 - Dan is probably currently our best player and is contracted for 3 more years
3 - Dan is an uber professional, with his uncle still at the club, there is 0% chance that if he doesn't get his wish, that he won't put in 100% for RFC next year

This gives us any upper hand in discussions. I just can't see a position where Pick 6 isn't involved in the trade, regardless of what GC want. If they want the player then they need to pay what is needed. Some say Dan is worth Pick 13 (which will probably be at least Pick 15 by then), ask any Tigers fan, look back at the last 10 years of drafting, so you want Pick 10 for 100-150 games (which from history is all you'd get) or do you want Rioli for another 5 years, pretty much everyone (including the club) will know we get more value out of 5 years of Rioli then almost any Pick 15.

Adam Saad

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Adam Saad

Age

30

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.5

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

MG

349.1

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

12.0

5star

HB

8.7

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.4

3star

MG

388.3

5star

D

17.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.2

3star

is the going rate for a quality HB. He went for Pick 8 with some relatively pointless trading of later points. Rioli is a year earlier, but is a better player than Saad was then and is now.

Why do people seem to think we should just accept less than what a similar player was valued at, just because we are RFC and we should take what we are offered?

No-one in their right mind is saying we will get 2 1sts for him outright, but if Pick 6 is gone, then its highly likely that GC will be looking to trade Picks 13 and 20 as they will be swallowed up by Lombard bids. If we can get in on that action as part of the Rioli trade, then its clearly something that the club will be interested in doing.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Pretty much every neutral fan in this thread thinks it is.

I guess time will tell.

I think 13 is about right if a fair trade is being done. However, there's no homesickness card here, there's just Dimma seemingly chasing a heavily contracted mate of his. There's also everyone seeming to think this is basically done.

6 is ridiculous but you're team does treat picks differently so I can see it being the price required. If they give up more than 6 though I'd be clutching pearls and sending strongly worded letters, that would be disgusting.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Maybe both clubs should say stuff it and do a straight swap Rioli to the Suns & Flanders to the Tigers. Both are contracted until 2027 and Flanders will get the opportunity to win a Flag.

 

[tiger_tough]

I think 13 is about right if a fair trade is being done. However, there's no homesickness card here, there's just Dimma seemingly chasing a heavily contracted mate of his. There's also everyone seeming to think this is basically done.

6 is ridiculous but you're team does treat picks differently so I can see it being the price required. If they give up more than 6 though I'd be clutching pearls and sending strongly worded letters, that would be disgusting.

Strongly disagree

 

[Dr Tigris]

People need to think that this isn't Rioli for a pick/s.

This is a trade of player who may just be a major piece in turning a fantastic list into a genuine contender. And he is contracted. So there is a major push towards paying more for Dan.

Plus the Tigers can pay a lot of his salary. Which is also worth better pick/s.

Plus the Tigers are in a position for the next few years to have a solid core of mature experienced, often premiership, players to mentor and 'protect' the new players. So the Tigers are looking for good picks, and will not stand in the way if the return is good enough.

So the 2 clubs have strong reasons to make this trade work. But, GC also want to pick up their really good draftees and to not blow the salary cap. So they want a damn good return on their behalf in this trade.

If this works the Suns will step up into finals and contention. And the Tigers will get more potential A graders coming in, and be back in contention in 5ish+ years. win - win

Not just a normal straight forward trade of player for picks. It might be a simple trade, it might have many moving parts.

 

[mrposhman]

I think 13 is about right if a fair trade is being done. However, there's no homesickness card here, there's just Dimma seemingly chasing a heavily contracted mate of his. There's also everyone seeming to think this is basically done.

6 is ridiculous but you're team does treat picks differently so I can see it being the price required. If they give up more than 6 though I'd be clutching pearls and sending strongly worded letters, that would be disgusting.

Bit hyperbolic. How do you see the Rioli vs Saad comparison. 8 and 87, for Saad 48 and 78. Was that disgusting also?

 

[Suma Magic]

Doesn't matter what the suns value him at. Matters what the car salesman value him at

What the suns value him at is just as important as what the tigers value him at.

Just as tigers won’t trade him below their minimum acceptable value, Gold Coast won’t pay any more than what they deem he is worth to them.

 

[boncer34]

It's amazing that Richmond finished last with all these Tigers players leaving that will automatically make opposition teams contenders.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Bit hyperbolic. How do you see the Rioli vs Saad comparison. 8 and 87, for Saad 48 and 78. Was that disgusting also?

Yes, I really dont care how it's spun, 6 plus for Rioli is genuinely disgusting. And the plus being talked about around are is like 13 or 20 which is just lunacy (but it's the Suns, who knows). I also thought the Saad trade was disgusting but at least that in hindsight was a COVID draft and that's literally something coming with 8 for Saad so odd comparison.

 

[jthanos]

Can see the trade being 6 + 20 for Rioli plus Richmond paying $500k salary for 2-3 years.

If Bolton goes for 9 + 10, and Lombard is still on the board at 9 on draft night, can see us live trading 10 + 39 for 13 + 26. Allows GC to get a pick in before they have to match Lombard bid, and Richmond get another pick inside top 30.

I would prefer 6 & F1 (not pick 20), if we pay $500K salary

 

[jthanos]

Yes, I really dont care how it's spun, 6 plus for Rioli is genuinely disgusting. And the plus being talked about around are is like 13 or 20 which is just lunacy (but it's the Suns, who knows). I also thought the Saad trade was disgusting but at least that in hindsight was a COVID draft and that's literally something coming with 8 for Saad so odd comparison.

you forgot what you got for a c-grade Shulz ??????

 

[mrposhman]

Yes, I really dont care how it's spun, 6 plus for Rioli is genuinely disgusting. And the plus being talked about around are is like 13 or 20 which is just lunacy (but it's the Suns, who knows). I also thought the Saad trade was disgusting but at least that in hindsight was a COVID draft and that's literally something coming with 8 for Saad so odd comparison.

Nobody on here will get the trade right, but saying 6 isn't part of it when 8 was part of the Saad trade (who was out of contract).

No-one in their right mind thinks we would be getting all of 6, 13 and 20 (or any combination) without some serious pick value heading back to GC, either in this draft or the next one. Simple thing is that GC are desperate to not use 6 in the trade, means massive over. Richmond don't really want 13 and 20, as there will be a significant slide, and its probably better to just take 100 more games of Dan. Pick 6 will almost certainly need to be part of the deal, and if that means that 13 and 20 were to be thrown into the mix with a whole load of value given back to the Suns then so be it.

If 6 goes to the Tiges (as it should) then the Suns will 100% be trading 13 and 20.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

you forgot what you got for a c-grade Shulz ??????

It's a bit hard to forget when some Richmond bloke brings it up every 5 seconds. The future 1st of the premier and pick 34 is definitely overs, I'd argue less overs than 6 for Rioli but whatever. The fact they fell off a cliff is not a reflection of the trade

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Nobody on here will get the trade right, but saying 6 isn't part of it when 8 was part of the Saad trade (who was out of contract).

No-one in their right mind thinks we would be getting all of 6, 13 and 20 (or any combination) without some serious pick value heading back to GC, either in this draft or the next one. Simple thing is that GC are desperate to not use 6 in the trade, means massive over. Richmond don't really want 13 and 20, as there will be a significant slide, and its probably better to just take 100 more games of Dan. Pick 6 will almost certainly need to be part of the deal, and if that means that 13 and 20 were to be thrown into the mix with a whole load of value given back to the Suns then so be it.

If 6 goes to the Tiges (as it should) then the Suns will 100% be trading 13 and 20.

I'm pretty sure I said I expect 6 to go to the Tigers, it's 6 plus I have a problem with. You may have misinterpreted it differently sorry. You can say "no one in their right mind" but that means across the Tigers board and in this thread, there's a few Tigers supporters that need to be committed

 

[tiger_tough]

It's amazing that Richmond finished last with all these Tigers players leaving that will automatically make opposition teams contenders.

Like when Tom Lynch, Dion Prestia and Steven May left GC?

There are elite players in every team that'd make any team better. Silly thing to say.

 

[boncer34]

Like when Tom Lynch, Dion Prestia and Steven May left GC?

There are elite players in every team that'd make any team better. Silly thing to say.

Ah yes. Tom Lynch took the Tigers from checks notes prelim to premier. Amazing rocket up the ladder on the back of him joining. Really helped end that torturous one season drought.

 

[mrposhman]

I'm pretty sure I said I expect 6 to go to the Tigers, it's 6 plus I have a problem with. You may have misinterpreted it differently sorry. You can say "no one in their right mind" but that means across the Tigers board and in this thread, there's a few Tigers supporters that need to be committed

Yes I think some of the suggestions brought up by some Tiges supporters are ridiculous, and sets those people up to blame the list manager when they think a trade is "unders' when its actually them that have said overs.

I look at 6 and think its about right. Dan is a better player than some on here seem to give him credit for, I have had the pleasure to have been able to see him live for a long time now, and I'm going to miss watching him play, but the Saad deal shows the value. He's a better player than Saad, is contracted for 3 years, and isn't going to be an issue should we not satisfy the trade request. The likelihood that we accept a trade that doesn't include 6, means that whatever that other trade is would have to be massive overs.

 

[mrposhman]

Ah yes. Tom Lynch took the Tigers from checks notes prelim to premier. Amazing rocket up the ladder on the back of him joining. Really helped end that torturous one season drought.

More than that though. We had something of an injury crisis in 2019 in a similar way to Collingwood this year. Without Lynch in 2019, simply put, we don't win the flag.