Confirmed Daniel Rioli - Traded with picks 51, 61, 70 & 76 to GC for picks 6 & 26

[SnakeMan86]

If pick 6 to Richmond in a Rioli deal is laughable.. Then how much of his salary do you expect the Tigers to pay if it's not involved?

Richmond are essentially looking at buying pick 6 in the Rioli deal, as he is a contracted player. I would suspect if 6 isn't involved, then you are taking his whole contract with you.

 

[Iva Bigun]

If pick 6 to Richmond in a Rioli deal is laughable.. Then how much of his salary do you expect the Tigers to pay if it's not involved?

Richmond are essentially looking at buying pick 6 in the Rioli deal, as he is a contracted player. I would suspect if 6 isn't involved, then you are taking his whole contract with you.

I think you are right, a later pick would not include subsidising of Riolis wage.

I am coming to the realisation that pick 6 ( as overpaying as it is) combined with whatever the two teams haggle over as Richmond’s share of his wage is the likely outcome, this works for both teams for the following reasons
1. all the top end talent are mids and we don’t need any more
2. You need to pay 95% of the cap, who are you going to give with to if you don’t pay part of his wage, you lose nothing and make the trade much more attractive
3. We want Rioli apparently and you want a top pick

I’m sure it will get done and both sets of fans will huff and puff then move on. I don’t like it and hope the club says no, but there is too much media noise around pick 6 for it not to be involved and at the end of the day draft picks are a gamble at the best of times

 

[SnakeMan86]

I think you are right, a later pick would not include subsidising of Riolis wage.

I am coming to the realisation that pick 6 ( as overpaying as it is) combined with whatever the two teams haggle over as Richmond’s share of his wage is the likely outcome, this works for both teams for the following reasons
1. all the top end talent are mids and we don’t need any more
2. You need to pay 95% of the cap, who are you going to give with to if you don’t pay part of his wage, you lose nothing and make the trade much more attractive
3. We want Rioli apparently and you want a top pick

I’m sure it will get done and both sets of fans will huff and puff then move on. I don’t like it but draft picks are a gamble at the best of times

I think if Richmond are essentially just throwing cash at the deal, then 6 & 20 for Rioli & Pick X, is the most likely outcome. Particularly as Richmond can afford to pay chunks of his salary this year, and next year (we are going to be in the same boat next year).

Richmond's bargaining chip through the whole thing will be cash. The more we offer to subsidise, i think the better the deal will be. Also depending on what sort of shape GC salary is in. Young players coming out of contract next season etc.

Richmond can also just pay mid level FA's overs for one or two years to clear that 95%, tweak current players contracts etc.

The NBA already does this sort of thing.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

If pick 6 to Richmond in a Rioli deal is laughable.. Then how much of his salary do you expect the Tigers to pay if it's not involved?

Richmond are essentially looking at buying pick 6 in the Rioli deal, as he is a contracted player. I would suspect if 6 isn't involved, then you are taking his whole contract with you.

Probably depends on whether Lukosius leaves. If he goes Suns will have no issue with Rioli's salary (they may have no issue either way, it's all guesswork).

Can see Richmond trying to buy a better pick though, they need to pay 95% next year and the year after, and are losing several high earners and replacing them with lots of draftees on low fixed contracts.

 

[Iva Bigun]

I think if Richmond are essentially just throwing cash at the deal, then 6 & 20 for Rioli & Pick X, is the most likely outcome. Particularly as Richmond can afford to pay chunks of his salary this year, and next year (we are going to be in the same boat next year).

Richmond's bargaining chip through the whole thing will be cash. The more we offer to subsidise, i think the better the deal will be. Also depending on what sort of shape GC salary is in. Young players coming out of contract next season etc.

Richmond can also just pay mid level FA's overs for one or two years to clear that 95%, tweak current players contracts etc.

The NBA already does this sort of thing.

If that is what Richmond ask for I think it’s only prudent that the Suns walk away, 6 is already way over what he is worth, you only have to look at the non Tigers fans evaluations are in this thread.

What will be will be but that type of deal is usually reserved for gun mids or key forwards entering their prime and Daniel isn’t either of those things.

 

[stallon]

Something to consider with that pick 6, Lombard was at 13 on Twomey's phantom draft today.

GC have a lot less reason to dump it if they wont be forced to match Lombard with it, so Richmond have less bargaining power when demanding pick 6

 

[tiger_tough]

I think all the neutrals amd GC fans can stop pretending/hoping pick 6 won't be handed over for Rioli. Time to make peace with it fellas.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think you are right, a later pick would not include subsidising of Riolis wage.

I am coming to the realisation that pick 6 ( as overpaying as it is) combined with whatever the two teams haggle over as Richmond’s share of his wage is the likely outcome, this works for both teams for the following reasons
1. all the top end talent are mids and we don’t need any more
2. You need to pay 95% of the cap, who are you going to give with to if you don’t pay part of his wage, you lose nothing and make the trade much more attractive
3. We want Rioli apparently and you want a top pick

I’m sure it will get done and both sets of fans will huff and puff then move on. I don’t like it and hope the club says no, but there is too much media noise around pick 6 for it not to be involved and at the end of the day draft picks are a gamble at the best of times

Picks mean nothing to the gold Coast in 2024 & 2025 with the academy kids coming through and where your list is at currently and another 18 year old kid you need to invest 3-4 years to see if he is any good and if he is over pay to keep him there . Way too hard for where the GC are at the moment.

Cap space will be worth its weight in gold to gold coast and Richmond paying $500k x 3 years is worth a top 10 pick on its own when you consider what you gave up to off load Bowes.

It will be 2 picks #7 + #13 (is what we want to take the $1.5 mil over 3 years)
But i dont want to pay any of Shai Boltons salary of $1.2 million a year because their picks are not good enough and they can worry about how they will get Warner and his estimated $1.5 mil into their cap

 

[THE_GUN]

I think all the neutrals amd GC fans can stop pretending/hoping pick 6 won't be handed over for Rioli. Time to make peace with it fellas.

1,2,3,6 will be a good start to the rebuild now that Matty Clarke & Pyke have expressed interest to off load pick #3 to get Baker and a later pick

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Picks mean nothing to the gold Coast in 2024 & 2025 with the academy kids coming through and where your list is at currently and another 18 year old kid you need to invest 3-4 years to see if he is any good and if he is over pay to keep him there . Way too hard for where the GC are at the moment.

This is wrong. The cost of matching academy players goes up from next year so the Suns need as many high picks as they can get to them.

If this is your reasoning you need to reconsider.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Picks mean nothing to the gold Coast in 2024 & 2025 with the academy kids coming through and where your list is at currently and another 18 year old kid you need to invest 3-4 years to see if he is any good and if he is over pay to keep him there . Way too hard for where the GC are at the moment.

Cap space will be worth its weight in gold to gold coast and Richmond paying $500k x 3 years is worth a top 10 pick on its own when you consider what you gave up to off load Bowes.

It will be 2 picks #7 + #13 (is what we want to take the $1.5 mil over 3 years)
But i dont want to pay any of Shai Boltons salary of $1.2 million a year because their picks are not good enough and they can worry about how they will get Warner and his estimated $1.5 mil into their cap

It’s ok to flex but maybe do this one in the mirror

 

[THE_GUN]

It’s ok to flex but maybe do this one in the mirror

I was flexing about pick #6 5 weeks ago you should have been looking

 

[Jirik13]

Picks mean nothing to the gold Coast in 2024 & 2025 with the academy kids coming through and where your list is at currently and another 18 year old kid you need to invest 3-4 years to see if he is any good and if he is over pay to keep him there . Way too hard for where the GC are at the moment.

Cap space will be worth its weight in gold to gold coast and Richmond paying $500k x 3 years is worth a top 10 pick on its own when you consider what you gave up to off load Bowes.

It will be 2 picks #7 + #13 (is what we want to take the $1.5 mil over 3 years)
But i dont want to pay any of Shai Boltons salary of $1.2 million a year because their picks are not good enough and they can worry about how they will get Warner and his estimated $1.5 mil into their cap

Common THE GUN, you know nothing about Suns cap. What happened to you?

 

[Barrybran]

Something to consider with that pick 6, Lombard was at 13 on Twomey's phantom draft today.

GC have a lot less reason to dump it if they wont be forced to match Lombard with it, so Richmond have less bargaining power when demanding pick 6

And if they do trade pick 6, they may as well trade 12 as well.

 

[THE_GUN]

And if they do trade pick 6, they may as well trade 12 as well.

Exactly and get Rioli's money paid

 

[Iva Bigun]

And if they do trade pick 6, they may as well trade 12 as well.

I totally understand your opposition to trading 6 for Rioli, it seems nuts and I still hold out hope that it is all media talk but if the Suns do trade it and the Tigers pay a sizable portion of Rioli contract for the next few years it could be beneficial to both parties. We certainly don’t need another 18 yo mid.

Having said that I still think the Suns should sell pick 6 to the highest bidder for a F1 as we will need 2-3 for our academy guns under the VFL ( yes I meant V) academy changes. Zeke Uwland in particular looks likely to go in the top couple of picks

 

[THE_GUN]

I totally understand your opposition to trading 6 for Rioli, it seems nuts and I still hold out hope that it is all media talk but if the Suns do trade it and the Tigers pay a sizable portion of Rioli contract for the next few years it could be beneficial to both parties. We certainly don’t need another 18 yo mid.

Having said that I still think the Suns should sell pick 6 to the highest bidder for a F1 as we will need 2-3 for our academy guns under the VFL ( yes I meant V) academy changes. Zeke Uwland in particular looks likely to go in the top couple of picks

Suns would have been told by Blair if pick #6 is not the corner stone this deal does not get done and we keep Rioli or you will have to give up a young kid that we want. Not sure Humphrey being traded would please many suns supporters

 

[Jirik13]

Suns would have been told by Blair if pick #6 is not the corner stone this deal does not get done and we keep Rioli or you will have to give up a young kid that we want. Not sure Humphrey being traded would please many suns supporters

Haha, you are really cracking me up today. Right now, no young talented player would want to join Tigers. Give it a bit of time. My guess is min 3+ years.

 

[boncer34]

Suns would have been told by Blair if pick #6 is not the corner stone this deal does not get done and we keep Rioli or you will have to give up a young kid that we want. Not sure Humphrey being traded would please many suns supporters

Richmond may very well get pick 6 but your notion that negotiations are essentially Richmond naming their price and the Suns folding is hilariously one eyed.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Suns would have been told by Blair if pick #6 is not the corner stone this deal does not get done and we keep Rioli or you will have to give up a young kid that we want. Not sure Humphrey being traded would please many suns supporters

It must be fun living in your brain, crowded but fun none the less

 

[stallon]

Having said that I still think the Suns should sell pick 6 to the highest bidder for a F1 as we will need 2-3 for our academy guns under the VFL ( yes I meant V) academy changes. Zeke Uwland in particular looks likely to go in the top couple of picks

This is closer to what I expect will happen, with the 12 and 20 on the table for the Rioli deal in some form.
I can see a world where West Coast offer our F1 for 6 tbh, we tried the same thing last year for Curtin.

If you can add Rioli with salary paid for 12+20(maybe some late picks for points coming back) and then Noble for 32 or something thats a good haul.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This is closer to what I expect will happen, with the 12 and 20 on the table for the Rioli deal in some form.
I can see a world where West Coast offer our F1 for 6 tbh, we tried the same thing last year for Curtin.

If you can add Rioli with salary paid for 12+20(maybe some late picks for points coming back) and then Noble for 32 or something thats a good haul.

I think you guys all have to make peace with it being 6, even though we all know it's ridiculous. It's not this open and accepted and done if it's not 6.

Should have asked Barrass how much he likes theme parks earlier.

 

[THE_GUN]

I think you guys all have to make peace with it being 6, even though we all know it's ridiculous. It's not this open and accepted and done if it's not 6.

Should have asked Barrass how much he likes theme parks earlier.

Yes but people just cant seem to accept Rioli getting so much more the Barrass
Its crazy as they are 'Nearly " the same age

maybe the eagles should ask Dimma if Barrass could live with him

 

[GoldenCoastalSunshine]

I think you guys all have to make peace with it being 6, even though we all know it's ridiculous. It's not this open and accepted and done if it's not 6.

Should have asked Barrass how much he likes theme parks earlier.

Dunno what others are saying but 6 is the tax for contract and talent. It’s fine imo. Leo only bloke we need in draft. Nancarrow secondary.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Dunno what others are saying but 6 is the tax for contract and talent. It’s fine imo. Leo only bloke we need in draft. Nancarrow secondary.

6 is only fine for GC or maybe GWS, it is an extreme overpay. He's going to be one of, if not the most expensive trades of the year - Dan Rioli. It is what it is, but "fine" is very subjective haha.