Daniher worse than Cloke?

[blitzer]

He was pretty accurate the first 4 rounds and looked to have improved. ANZAC day he was fairly inaccurate but he was still BOG. Vs Melbourne he had a shocker which made his whole season's kicking look terrible just because he had so many shots at goal. I do think he's improving but he had a really bad day where it just wasn't working for him. On the bright side he's getting a ton of shots at goal I mean hell the guy had like 8 or 9 shots at goal and he spent a decent portion of the game in the ruck (had 9 hitouts).

I think he will improve his goal kicking but it will be a 2 steps forward 1 step backwards type of thing. He was a bit unlucky in the preseason in that he had a knee injury which prevented him really doing kicking for several months. Not the ideal start for improving your goal kicking routine.

 

[Sando22]

i don't mind him missing as much....the fact the arseh*le is always laughing etc and not taking it seriously is what gives me the shits.

What about the double twirly finger celebration when he does somehow jag one?

 

[old55]

Daniher is a very good player who can become great. I agree he rushes too much, he needs a proper routine and that's what Lloyd should be able to provide. Look at Jack Watts - he's one of the best handful of shots for goal in the AFL. Even when he's 20 out straight in front he takes his time and gets fully set and splits the middle every time. Same with Jack Riewoldt.

 

[Smokey17]

I was always big on Daniher from when he was drafted.... but I am starting to think that some people overrate him a little... he needs to step up in the next yr or 2 to prove to everyone he can be a dominant big. at this stage though he will never hit the peaks of some of the other power forwards in the game now.

 

[DapperDon]

#whateverittakes

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[WilloTree]

Initially thought this was an over-reaction to this weekend's events. I tried to think of the worst kicks at goal just off the top of my head and have a quick squiz at how they fair. I was stunned.

Levi Casboult's name jumped out first, he runs at 56%. There's no way I would have guessed Casboult was a better kick at goal given Daniher's superstar reputation. It got worse from there.

Chris Mayne can miss from directly in front and 20m out, so I looked at him next thinking he must be worse. Not even close. Mayne kicks at 64% That's actually very very good . To put that in perspective, Simon Beasley and Warren Ralph also kicked at 64% and both are considered excellent kicks at goal. It's 3% better than Matthew Pavlich!

Then I thought - what about players who have retired? and came up with Scott Chisholm. Scott Chisholm was significantly better than I remember (or maybe just in comparison) and kicked at a mildly impressive 60%

I remember laughing my head off watching John Butcher try and kick for goal. John Butcher was a dead-eye-dick in this company kicking at a whopping 66% My memory is faulty.

I suppose every cloud has a silver lining though. All this attention on Joe has taken the focus off Cale Hooker... 55.71% oh dear...

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Initially thought this was an over-reaction to this weekend's events. I tried to think of the worst kicks at goal just off the top of my head and have a quick squiz at how they fair. I was stunned.

Levi Casboult's name jumped out first, he runs at 56%. There's no way I would have guessed Casboult was a better kick at goal given Daniher's superstar reputation. It got worse from there.

Chris Mayne can miss from directly in front and 20m out, so I looked at him next thinking he must be worse. Not even close. Mayne kicks at 64% That's actually very very good . To put that in perspective, Simon Beasley and Warren Ralph also kicked at 64% and both are considered excellent kicks at goal. It's 3% better than Matthew Pavlich!

Then I thought - what about players who have retired? and came up with Scott Chisholm. Scott Chisholm was significantly better than I remember (or maybe just in comparison) and kicked at a mildly impressive 60%

I remember laughing my head off watching John Butcher try and kick for goal. John Butcher was a dead-eye-dick in this company kicking at a whopping 66% My memory is faulty.

I suppose every cloud has a silver lining though. All this attention on Joe has taken the focus off Cale Hooker... 55.71% oh dear...

Mayne was the straightest kick in the competition at one stage (2013 I think it was).

 

[Jaeger]

Entirely between the ears as he's a very good field kick.

 

[MightyTiger]

Needs to work on his goal celebrations a bit more as well, producing some very ordinary stuff.

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[WilloTree]

Needs to work on his goal celebrations a bit more as well, producing some very ordinary stuff.

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Surprising lack of man-bun as well.

 

[MagpieJoel]

He'll be a champ in 2 years. He is already leading their forwardline, unlike one D Moore...

Outstanding comment. One has a couple of seasons on the other.

 

[blitzer]

Entirely between the ears as he's a very good field kick.

I have often thought that he can improve his goal kicking because his field kicking is actually really good. I find it hard to believe he will end up the worst kick at goal of any key forward whilst being an excellent field kick. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Ambrosia]

He should consider taking set shots on his right foot as his right doesn't have the same hook.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Richo kicked 800 goals at approx. 60% and was the BF laughing stock for years. Nick Riewoldt took his mantle and I imagine would be 55 - 60%.

Anyone have Stewie Loewe's numbers? 55'ish?

All were gun marks with flawed kicking.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

What about the double twirly finger celebration when he does somehow jag one?

I love that he's enjoying his footy.

 

[SBYM]

Has only been a good 15 years since we have won a final.

Don't worry.

Like Richmond, you'll win a final again one day.

 

[SBYM]

Levi Casboult's name jumped out first, he runs at 56%. There's no way I would have guessed Casboult was a better kick at goal given Daniher's superstar reputation. It got worse from there.

Don't get me wrong, I'm always up for a spot of 'Hang shit on Essendon', but does this include those shots where the Big Bad Bolt misses the goal completely?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Will be the best forward in the comp if he can fix his goal kicking.

 

[SBYM]

Is Sav Rocca full time or part time?

Hands off!

Get Lloydy back.

And dunno how often he is there, but it would be for most sessions, I'd imagine. he's at every game.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

JD is a star in the making and he clearly enjoys his footy so hes ahead of most players in that regard. I thought his tomfoolery with hibberd very funny and even refreshing. He might know more than the rest of us about how to live.

I thought it was quite funny I have know doubt after the game that Joe and Hibberd would have had a laugh about it.

Footy is changed now compared to 20 years ago where that type of stuff wasn't tolerated.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Hands off!

Get Lloydy back.

And dunno how often he is there, but it would be for most sessions, I'd imagine. he's at every game.

Llyod quit because of media commitments other wise he still would have been at the club. Always a fan of Levi and Sav Rocca is doing a great job.

 

[beta_condition]

Tom Hawkins. Jarryd Roughhead. Two off the top of my head that took 5-6 years of development each before making it. KPFs take ages to develop. He'll come good - did you see him last week?

Roughead kick 40 goals in his third year and 75 in his 4th,it's a myth that forwards take longer, it's very rare that forward will become dominate if they aren't already doing so by the end of their 4th year. Tom Hawkins is the only player I can think off which is the exception to this rule, Josh Kennedy had injuries which delayed his start. Pavlich, N.Rewoldt, Franklin, Roughead, J.Rewoldt, Cameron, Walker, Lynch all showed their worth well before the end of the 4th season and most by their third.

 

[Topkent]

All about the ball drop. He's too tall to play FF.

Can't believe more people haven't noticed this. It's by far his biggest problem.
If I were him id be talking to nick riewoldt as a fellow tall player who improved their goal kicking action.

Initially thought this was an over-reaction to this weekend's events. I tried to think of the worst kicks at goal just off the top of my head and have a quick squiz at how they fair. I was stunned.

Levi Casboult's name jumped out first, he runs at 56%. There's no way I would have guessed Casboult was a better kick at goal given Daniher's superstar reputation. It got worse from there.

Chris Mayne can miss from directly in front and 20m out, so I looked at him next thinking he must be worse. Not even close. Mayne kicks at 64% That's actually very very good . To put that in perspective, Simon Beasley and Warren Ralph also kicked at 64% and both are considered excellent kicks at goal. It's 3% better than Matthew Pavlich!

Then I thought - what about players who have retired? and came up with Scott Chisholm. Scott Chisholm was significantly better than I remember (or maybe just in comparison) and kicked at a mildly impressive 60%

I remember laughing my head off watching John Butcher try and kick for goal. John Butcher was a dead-eye-dick in this company kicking at a whopping 66% My memory is faulty.

I suppose every cloud has a silver lining though. All this attention on Joe has taken the focus off Cale Hooker... 55.71% oh dear...

Can't compare modern forwards to previous ones.
Old style forwards used to have to play in mud, huge winds etc
Modern forwards get to kick under the lid. Lockett could have kicked 2000 goals if he played there
Modern forwards get those ridiculous over the back goals where they walk it to the goal line

The other thing that skews is it Lockett and Co wouldn't tackle they just played as forwards where as Daniher has to run to D50 then sprint back to the goals

 

[LeverPuller]

Can't believe more people haven't noticed this. It's by far his biggest problem.

I've got a theory - if you're 200+ you're going to struggle to play forward because you can't kick.

Looking at the top 50 AFL all-time goalkickers...only one is 200+, Paul Salmon. Closest others are Richo at 197, Buddy 199, Madden 198. And it's not like Richo and Buddy haven't have their accuracy issues.

Ruckmen are notoriously poor kicks, whether set shot or field. Theory is specifically because of their height - there's a lot more required to get their kicking right. Even if they're reasonable kicks, they often look ungainly when doing so.

 

[Topkent]

I've got a theory - if you're 200+ you're going to struggle to play forward because you can't kick.

Looking at the top 50 AFL all-time goalkickers...only one is 200+, Paul Salmon. Closest others are Richo at 197, Buddy 199, Madden 198. And it's not like Richo and Buddy haven't have their accuracy issues.

Ruckmen are notoriously poor kicks, whether set shot or field. Theory is specifically because of their height - there's a lot more required to get their kicking right. Even if they're reasonable kicks, they often look ungainly when doing so.

It's all about the ball drop, it's where a lot of technical issues happen.
Buddy and Daniher are good field kicks and both beautiful on the run. Because they don't think about anything technical when they kick it
Daniher needs to look down at his leg as he kicks it like Roo did for a while until he was dropping it properly